jtf forum working on the Sabbath?

[Dr. Dan]

According to me if the computer is on all the time and you use it on Sabbath then you are still violating the Sabbath for the reasons discussed above.  Namely, there are network lights, hard drive lights and keyboard lights blinking when you use it that would not blink at all if you do not use the computer and it is simply on.  Also, the computer goes into standby when you don't use it for a while and the monitors CRT turns off and it goes into a sleep state.  The computers hard drive also turns off and goes into a sleep state.  When you use the computer, the CRT goes out of standby and turns on (thus turning on the CRT and usually another LED turns on which is a differnt color) and the computers hard drive turns back on (which may use a brushed motor and definitely turns on a hard drive indicator light).  Also, on all laptops and on several desktop computer models, the CPU fan is controlled by a variable speed motor that ups the speed of the motor when the CPU is being heavily used and downs the speed of the motor when the CPU is not being used as much.  There are too many issues that you are probably violating the Sabbath even if the computer is on.  Even if you tell me that LEDs are probably not the same as light bulbs and you are sure all the lights on your computer are LEDs then you at least have to adjust the power settings of your computer so that the hard drive never turns off and it never goes into standby and it never brings the monitor into standby, and you have to do research if you have a speed variable motor on your CPU.  Then maybee you won't be violating the Sabbath Biblically but I wouldn't take that risk.

my point was not that i disagreed with your amusing scientific knowledge about computers. It was irregardless...if it is left on AND there was no screen saver, (and assuming nobody is typing anything or doing anything that can be disputed as un-Shabbat), shabbat is not being violated...likewise a TV or a radio.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Anything that happens once in 70 years is not exactly what any normal person would call a common practice.  When Rabbi Akiva spoke about a court being murderous if they killed people more than once in seventy years, he was including all crimes punishable by the death penalty, even murderers.  And unlike some people in this forum, the Talmudic Rabbis were far more likely to kill murderers than sabbath violators.   Remember, they valued ethical, moral behavior, not using the Jewish Task Force forum as a means by which to advocate mass murdering all Jews.  I deliberately say All, because all Jews have violated the Sabbath in one way or another at some time in their lives.

And by the way, what I am saying IS the Torah view.  Those who claim to represent the Torah yet advocate murdering Jews for switching on a light on Shabbat, are really islamofascist wannabes thinly disguised.

do yourself a big favor and stop with your ranting. What your opposition has stated is laws- from various places. + to go on a public forum and say what you are saying and the way you are saying it- trying to make Shabb-t observence a minimal thing, and changing the words of the Torah (and persisting after you have been proven wronge time after time) is an even worse sin (you can lead others to sin by trying to show them that its not a big deal, everyone does it and whateva else you are saying).
 -No one here ever said that he will take the law into his own hands and go and kill a Shabb-t desecrator, as I stated before that "zealot" would be concidered a murderer 100%. BUT its also wronge for you to say that the courts never did it, and everything else you said -becuase if their was the complete Sanhedrin today and they would have cases today they would still be obligated to make the case procedure etc and decide (according to Jewish law)
- what you are repitidly saying is a reformist view, I hope Jews who read it can learn a lot about what not to do.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

I would also like to add that any Jew who did violate Shabb-t (when I was younge and the way I was brought up -I also did), can make a full repentence and be concidered rightious, etc. -even if a Jew says today- I accept the Shabb-t - G-d and his laws are right- and tomorrow (G-d forbid) he dies- when he's takin to the heavenly court G-d will concider him to have been keeping the Shabb-t and being rightious. -its never too late in this world, but we shouldn't (myself included) kid around with G-d's laws and minimize the damage we can couse ourselves (G-d forbid).

[JewishTeddyBear]

No, I am not ranting, and no, I am not reformist.  I am representing true Orthodox Judaism of more than 3,300 years of tradition.  I have studied that tradition for more than four decades of my life from some of the most prominent Rabbis in the world.  It is those who zealously anticipate murdering all Jews for violating the Sabbath, that are desecrating G-d's name, and resemble islamofascists far more than any authentic Torah Jew.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

No, I am not ranting, and no, I am not reformist.  I am representing true Orthodox Judaism of more than 3,300 years of tradition.  I have studied that tradition for more than four decades of my life from some of the most prominent Rabbis in the world.  It is those who zealously anticipate murdering all Jews for violating the Sabbath, that are desecrating G-d's name, and resemble islamofascists far more than any authentic Torah Jew.

 no one is anticipating killing Jews- please put the ego aside and deal with the issue. Its not us who are desecrating G-d's name, but you with that misinterpretation. -instead of spending your energy at coming with counter arguments it would be better to spend it by strenthening your Emuna and learning the laws.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

If you no one could break Shabbat, then everyone would keep it. Therefore, this forum should be blocked on Shabbat.

When I get married, I will keep Shabbat because my wife will be religious. If my whole household is Shomer Shabbat, so will I. But taking away the stumbling blocks that prevent people from keeping Shabbat is a step in the right direction.

1-agreed
2-Thats a wronge thing to do for us bachelors, we should start doing the proper corrections now and also contine all of our lives. I sent you the video's dating and Marriage by Rav Daniel Kohen- please watch it a couple of times and understand the wisdom he offers on this subject.  -You said you will keep after you get married- but maybe what will keep you from being married is the fact that you dont keep something. - Its important for all of us to do now and not be dependent on someone (even your future wife).

[Shlomo]

If you no one could break Shabbat, then everyone would keep it. Therefore, this forum should be blocked on Shabbat.

Yacov, that is not a bad idea at all. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. We do this on the Hebrew forum.

I just wish there was a way to allow gentiles to continue to post since they are not obligated.

[JewishTeddyBear]

What should be blocked are people who hide behind their wrong conception of Judaism as an excuse to be cruel to their fellow Jews.  More and more, I see this website is really not for proud Jews at all, but rather for mean people who never get tired of spreading their cruelty.

[Dr. Dan]

What should be blocked are people who hide behind their wrong conception of Judaism as an excuse to be cruel to their fellow Jews.  More and more, I see this website is really not for proud Jews at all, but rather for mean people who never get tired of spreading their cruelty.

I think you're wrong...simply because I"m not one of those people and nor are a bunch of others here...watch what you say for now on because now I have my eye on you..>I'm not liking what you are saying anymore because now you are sounding very intolerant and immature.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

If you no one could break Shabbat, then everyone would keep it. Therefore, this forum should be blocked on Shabbat.

Yacov, that is not a bad idea at all. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. We do this on the Hebrew forum.

I just wish there was a way to allow gentiles to continue to post since they are not obligated.

Whats the big deal if people dont go on once a week? okay, gentiles wont be on 1 time a week, whats the big deal? If you say it will be bad for the movement- then they can do other things- ex- the youtube campaign.
Even if their is an argument that it will hurt the movement (which it wont) Chaim said that if their is a conflict between the interests of the Jewish people and of the JTF movement the interests of the Jewish people takes and will take precedence.
- also look at the opportunity the movement can have by closing the forum on Shabbat - it will be a Kiddush Hashe-m letting Jews know the importance of Shabb-t and that we dont dare to play around with this issue - then maybe with this and other things some Jews who are on the border can think to themselves and come to be completly Shomer Shabb-t. -and if this is thanx to JTf or anyone here or anyone anywhere - you cant image the great reward in Olam Haba that awaits that person (if you want proof please state so- I will bring you the source).

[JewishTeddyBear]

you are intolerant, immature, and are in no position to tell me what i am allowed to say or not allowed to say.  and if you dont like it, then go move to north korea, where censorship is celebrated.

[Shlomo]

And by the way, what I am saying IS the Torah view.  Those who claim to represent the Torah yet advocate murdering Jews for switching on a light on Shabbat, are really islamofascist wannabes thinly disguised.

Who in here is advocating killing Jews?? Only the high courts could make this type of decision. People can't just go around killing Jews, G-d forbid! That would be murder. If the courts decide to have someone put to death, this is NOT murder.

I will, however quote G-d (not a man) speaking from the actual Torah to show you the severity of this sin:

Exodus 31:14: 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.

If you argue with this, then you are not referencing the Torah or representing true Orthodox Judaism of more than 3,300 years of tradition.

[JewishTeddyBear]

You are obviously not really reading what I am saying, so there is no point in my repeating the same points over and over again.  But I come away with this knowing that I do represent the Torah perspective, while you are advocating that Jews become no different from the murderous islamofascist savages.

[Dr. Dan]

you are intolerant, immature, and are in no position to tell me what i am allowed to say or not allowed to say.  and if you dont like it, then go move to north korea, where censorship is celebrated.

JTB, you have gone from smart and normal to crazy and dumb and not using his head....like 180 degrees...I dont' know if i shoudl pity you right now and recommend you seek some professional help or to recommend your banning on this forum...

[JewishTeddyBear]

dannyCookie is stupid, insane, crazy, dumb, brainless, idiot, and moronic, needing professional help and banning on this forum...

[Dexter]

Your posts are getting original as the time pasts 

[JewishTeddyBear]

dexter has no originality, nor apparently a daddy to give him the good spanking that brat deserves

[HiWarp]

dexter has no originality, nor apparently a daddy to give him the good spanking that brat deserves

You are obviously either a schizophrenic or someone has hacked JTB's acount.

[JewishTeddyBear]

hiWarp is obviously schizophrenic and not a real Jew or even a decent human being

[Dexter]

hiWarp is obviously schizophrenic and not a real Jew or even a decent human being

HiWarp is a Christian 

[Dr. Dan]

something's up...and we're gonna figure it out. If this wasn't JTB this whole time, you better believe something bad will coming your way...

[HiWarp]

Yes, I am very indecent.  By the way, make sure you go back to the "sports" thread and tell me what an idiot I am for not bowing down and worshiping the juiced up Barry Bonds.

[JewishTeddyBear]

hiWarp is just an idiot, period.  and that hardly surprises me that he is a JESUS freak, since JESUS is for people with low IQ's anyway.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Please Read this important post.

Quote from: jeffguy on Today at 02:23:44 PM
Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on Today at 01:43:20 PM
If you no one could break Shabbat, then everyone would keep it. Therefore, this forum should be blocked on Shabbat.

Yacov, that is not a bad idea at all. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. We do this on the Hebrew forum.

I just wish there was a way to allow gentiles to continue to post since they are not obligated.



MY response

Whats the big deal if people dont go on once a week? okay, gentiles wont be on 1 time a week, whats the big deal? If you say it will be bad for the movement- then they can do other things- ex- the youtube campaign.
Even if their is an argument that it will hurt the movement (which it wont) Chaim said that if their is a conflict between the interests of the Jewish people and of the JTF movement the interests of the Jewish people takes and will take precedence.
- also look at the opportunity the movement can have by closing the forum on Shabbat - it will be a Kiddush Hashe-m letting Jews know the importance of Shabbat and that we dont dare to play around with this issue - then maybe with this and other things some Jews who are on the border can think to themselves and come to be completly Shomer Shabbat. -and if this is thanx to JTf or anyone here or anyone anywhere - you cant image the great reward in Olam Haba that awaits that person (if you want proof please state so- I will bring you the source).

[HiWarp]

hiWarp is just an idiot, period.  and that hardly surprises me that he is a JESUS freak, since JESUS is for people with low IQ's anyway.

  aww, you made me feel bad now.  I want my teddy bear.