Who Thinks I'm a lying, taqiyyah practicing muslim?

[kellymaureen]

Agreed! Funny I think I have a message here stating she was 15 a year and a half ago?  Kelly, I should have thought of that....   

Born in a leap year maybe?

[Daniel]

Thank you Infidel

This kid is 15, observation here she is a KID!

Then perhaps she should not be debating with adults if she cannot handle the conversations.  I am sure there are boards for teenagers or children.

many of us here are teenagers and it is important for everyone to debate.

Assuming Sarah is really who and what she says she is, I find her to be just as intelligent and capable of effective debate just as much as most adults if not more.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Of course, but to use that as an excuse for what has been said is not acceptable, if teenagers want to debate with adults then they need to also be responsible for their words.

As my wise old dad said, have as many opionions as you like, just make sure that they are educated ones, once it comes out of your mouth, you own it

I can agree with that. If one can't debate then certainly they should keep their mouth shut, but if one can they should not be silenced because of age.

[kellymaureen]

Certainly, if saying that the IDF are occupiers, yep, thats intelligence.

[kellymaureen]

Yes, so once you say it, you own it, unless you can explain why you were wrong to say it.

[Daniel]

Sarah, when you come back on here, could you please clarify what you meant when you said "occupiers"?

I don't get it. Sarah and Kelly were exchanging such sweet compliments only yesterday 

[MarZutra]

She said I misunderstood her or I took it out of context or something like that.  You know, I'll bet that the entire Muslim World wishes they had the same support from Jews and Christians as one of their own is getting this evening.....  Fcuk it!  Blame the Jews...  The Jews are OCCUPYING P-LESTINIAN LAND....GO BACK TO POLAND!  YOU THIEVES, WHO STOLE THE LAND FROM THE ARABS....   Gees, I'm actually starting to sound like a Muslim.....perhaps I'll convert

[Dr. Dan]

I have gotten responses from Sarah in regards to random posts which impressed her..If she was practicing Takiya, i don't think she would have responded to anyhting I had to say..

[kellymaureen]

I dont hate her as a person, however I cannot and will not show respect to a muslim and as I said I hope she REALLY does leave islam, its no place for a human, especially a female human, a female human with their whole life ahead of them.

We are grasping at straws now, when someone says the IDF are "occupiers" how many things can that mean.  And if I am not mistaken there was also a comment made, that caused a banning about Israel killing "innocent palestinkians" a while back....there is NO taking those things out of context.

[MarZutra]

I have gotten responses from Sarah in regards to random posts which impressed her..If she was practicing Takiya, i don't think she would have responded to anyhting I had to say..

Were these responses this evening concerning this thread?

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Saying the IDF are occupiers is just ignorance, all though there is an occupation in Israel.

Of course that is the Arab occupation of Jewish land in Judea, Samaria and Gaza...

[Daniel]

Yes, so once you say it, you own it, unless you can explain why you were wrong to say it.

I'm not trying to defend Sarah here or claim to know what she meant since I don't recall ever seeing the post in the first place. But I'd like to offer a "possibility" of how she might have meant it. When terms are thrown around so frequently by the media and many people in general, it's possible for one of us to use a term that is inappropriate without even realizing it. For example, on the first Ask JTF program, I made reference to the "West Bank" to which Chaim corrected me saying that that's not the appropriate term to call this land, and that it is supposed to be referred to as Judea and Samaria. I didn't mean any offense by saying West Bank. I was just so accustomed and conditioned to saying it since that's how the media and many people refer to it. Another poster used the term "Pales tinians" to which Chaim stated that he thought the poster was being a wise guy. The poster made it abundantly clear in the following weeks that he was not trying to be a wise guy. So here too, the media and many people in general always use this term to the point where one of us might use it not realizing that it's an inappropriate or offensive term. Since the media is always referring to the "occupied territories" and the "Israeli occupation" it can condition people to just accept and use these terms without even realizing the connotation attached to these terms. So again, I'm not defending Sarah or stating that this was the case. I merely ponder the "possibility" that this might have been the case. I hope Sarah will clarify this herself when she is back on here.

[Dr. Dan]

I have gotten responses from Sarah in regards to random posts which impressed her..If she was practicing Takiya, i don't think she would have responded to anyhting I had to say..

Were these responses this evening concerning this thread?

No, I made a metaphor of the universe and heaven and she responded, "wow"..

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Yes, so once you say it, you own it, unless you can explain why you were wrong to say it.

I'm not trying to defend Sarah here or claim to know what she meant since I don't recall ever seeing the post in the first place. But I'd like to offer a "possibility" of how she might have meant it. When terms are thrown around so frequently by the media and many people in general, it's possible for one of us to use a term that is inappropriate without even realizing it. For example, on the first Ask JTF program, I made reference to the "West Bank" to which Chaim corrected me saying that that's not the appropriate term to call this land, and that it is supposed to be referred to as Judea and Samaria. I didn't mean any offense by saying West Bank. I was just so accustomed and conditioned to saying it since that's how the media and many people refer to it. Another poster used the term "Pales tinians" to which Chaim stated that he thought the poster was being a wise guy. The poster made it abundantly clear in the following weeks that he was not trying to be a wise guy. So here too, the media and many people in general always use this term to the point where one of us might use it not realizing that it's an inappropriate or offensive term. Since the media is always referring to the "occupied territories" and the "Israeli occupation" it can condition people to just accept and use these terms without even realizing the connotation attached to these terms. So again, I'm not defending Sarah or stating that this was the case. I merely ponder the "possibility" that this might have been the case. I hope Sarah will clarify this herself when she is back on here.

Calling it the West Bank is one thing, but the term "occupation" has a clear meaning. It is always used to mean that Israel is morally wrong and "occupying" Arab land.


Except when I say it in reference to the Arab occupation of Jewish land

[MarZutra]

Is it possible for one to be a Muslim and a Noahide?  Muslohide  Can someone please tell me where The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus is in the Torah?  Someone, who studies the Bible who I will not mention, told me it is in the Torah but the Jews couldn't decide how many sleepers there were.  The Muslims apparently knew.  Hell, they added a dog for comfort...

[kellymaureen]

Daniel, I dont give a rats arse, about what terms the media uses, I DONT accept them and never use them.  I got called to school because my kid told his teacher that the "palestinkians" never existed, nor did their country....so I marched in and asked that teacher what part of that he did not understand, and that I would be happy, to clarify it...he told me I shouldnt be teaching my kid things that were untrue, so I asked him to PROVE it to me, that that place always existed, he couldnt, he tried spouting that liberal media crap, and I shot him down at every turn.

When I know I am right, I will not back down....but I will not be staying to watch whats happened here.
Good luck to you, clarifying "occupiers", you know as well as I do what is meant when someone says that.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Daniel, I dont give a rats arse, about what terms the media uses, I DONT accept them and never use them.  I got called to school because my kid told his teacher that the "palestinkians" never existed, nor did their country....so I marched in and asked that teacher what part of that he did not understand, and that I would be happy, to clarify it...he told me I shouldnt be teaching my kid things that were untrue, so I asked him to PROVE it to me, that that place always existed, he couldnt, he tried spouting that liberal media crap, and I shot him down at every turn.

When I know I am right, I will not back down....but I will not be staying to watch whats happened here.
Good luck to you, clarifying "occupiers", you know as well as I do what is meant when someone says that.

Wow!
During my Hebrew class at the Public High school my teacher lets me give a short speech on Friday and I get all the liberal s*** thrown at me by the other kids, but I know that I am right and they still have not been able to win with 15-1. We are right and they can't prove us wrong, so instead they label us and de-legitimize us, but still we remain right.

[MarZutra]

Daniel, I dont give a rats arse, about what terms the media uses, I DONT accept them and never use them.  I got called to school because my kid told his teacher that the "palestinkians" never existed, nor did their country....so I marched in and asked that teacher what part of that he did not understand, and that I would be happy, to clarify it...he told me I shouldnt be teaching my kid things that were untrue, so I asked him to PROVE it to me, that that place always existed, he couldnt, he tried spouting that liberal media crap, and I shot him down at every turn.

When I know I am right, I will not back down....but I will not be staying to watch whats happened here.
Good luck to you, clarifying "occupiers", you know as well as I do what is meant when someone says that.

You child really said that?  You really went down and grossed out the teacher?  I do hope you lodge a complaint to the Principal and the schoolboard...  G-d Bless you.....

Ooops, I'm supposed to be playing for the other team...  Damn you woman...  May Allah strike you down with lightening from the heavens filled with virgins and dead Arabs....

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Daniel, I dont give a rats arse, about what terms the media uses, I DONT accept them and never use them.  I got called to school because my kid told his teacher that the "palestinkians" never existed, nor did their country....so I marched in and asked that teacher what part of that he did not understand, and that I would be happy, to clarify it...he told me I shouldnt be teaching my kid things that were untrue, so I asked him to PROVE it to me, that that place always existed, he couldnt, he tried spouting that liberal media crap, and I shot him down at every turn.

When I know I am right, I will not back down....but I will not be staying to watch whats happened here.
Good luck to you, clarifying "occupiers", you know as well as I do what is meant when someone says that.

btw watch out because the FBI has a bad habit of getting involved in our people's business....

[kellymaureen]

Oh sorry, I didnt mean to take away from the "spirit" of this thread, but yes, I ripped the teacher a new one, my kid is rather like me lol....so he held his own for a while, but of course he cant say the things I said to that liberal pansy of a teacher....and yes I requested Adam be moved to a different social studies class.

[Ehud]

Daniel, I dont give a rats arse, about what terms the media uses, I DONT accept them and never use them.  I got called to school because my kid told his teacher that the "palestinkians" never existed, nor did their country....so I marched in and asked that teacher what part of that he did not understand, and that I would be happy, to clarify it...he told me I shouldnt be teaching my kid things that were untrue, so I asked him to PROVE it to me, that that place always existed, he couldnt, he tried spouting that liberal media crap, and I shot him down at every turn.

When I know I am right, I will not back down....but I will not be staying to watch whats happened here.
Good luck to you, clarifying "occupiers", you know as well as I do what is meant when someone says that.

Wow, you ROCK!  That takes some serious fortitude, you are indeed a righteous woman.

[Daniel]

Daniel, I dont give a rats arse, about what terms the media uses, I DONT accept them and never use them.  I got called to school because my kid told his teacher that the "palestinkians" never existed, nor did their country....so I marched in and asked that teacher what part of that he did not understand, and that I would be happy, to clarify it...he told me I shouldnt be teaching my kid things that were untrue, so I asked him to PROVE it to me, that that place always existed, he couldnt, he tried spouting that liberal media crap, and I shot him down at every turn.

When I know I am right, I will not back down....but I will not be staying to watch whats happened here.
Good luck to you, clarifying "occupiers", you know as well as I do what is meant when someone says that.

Kelly, I'm not arguing about the definition of "occupiers." You and I both know what it means. But it's possible that others don't and may accidentally use the term inappropriately out of ignorance and naivety and not out of hostility or antagonism.

[kellymaureen]

When refering to the IDF, one NEVER makes a mistake when they refer to them as the "occupiers", people who say it, mean it.

Wow, you ROCK!  That takes some serious fortitude, you are indeed a righteous woman

Thanks, but all it takes is knowing the truth, and having some libtard try to mess with my sons mind.

[kellymaureen]

Ooops, I'm supposed to be playing for the other team...  Damn you woman...  May Allah strike you down with lightening from the heavens filled with virgins and dead Arabs....

If Im getting 72 virgins, can you make that firemen and marines......

[Daniel]

Daniel, I dont give a rats arse, about what terms the media uses, I DONT accept them and never use them.  I got called to school because my kid told his teacher that the "palestinkians" never existed, nor did their country....so I marched in and asked that teacher what part of that he did not understand, and that I would be happy, to clarify it...he told me I shouldnt be teaching my kid things that were untrue, so I asked him to PROVE it to me, that that place always existed, he couldnt, he tried spouting that liberal media crap, and I shot him down at every turn.

When I know I am right, I will not back down....but I will not be staying to watch whats happened here.
Good luck to you, clarifying "occupiers", you know as well as I do what is meant when someone says that.

btw watch out because the FBI has a bad habit of getting involved in our people's business....

Yes, and Erica, Sarah, and myself are undercover FBI agents infiltrating this forum to bring you guys down!