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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dexter on February 17, 2008, 01:56:34 PM
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http://www.tamarackcamps.com/
Sounds fun, I hope I'll pass.
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Why? You allready live in Israel, just stay their. Aren't their many camps in Israel, expecially their are people from America who go their.
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Why? Because I want too. I don't have to stay in Israel my whole life, I can go to other countries and have fun there, come here first and than you'll have the right to speak.
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http://www.tamarackcamps.com/
Sounds fun, I hope I'll pass.
Do Not Go! I went to that camp at once, and it is completely absent of any Yiddishkeit.
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It does look like a lot of fun.
It doesn't seem too Jewish, but I'm not sure if you want "too Jewish".
Have a good time there.
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PLEASE, TRUST ME, it is a TERRIBLE place for Judaism.
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Dexter, I also think you should stay in Israel. You have no idea what a surprise it will be for you when you land here and you see shvartzas running loose. It is much worse than a zoo. I think you should try to find some fun things to do in Israel. I doubt that camp is worth you coming here for.
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Dexter, I also think you should stay in Israel. You have no idea what a surprise it will be for you when you land here and you see shvartzas running loose. It is much worse than a zoo. I think you should try to find some fun things to do in Israel. I doubt that camp is worth you coming here for.
At Tamarack you won't find any shvartzas running rampant, only Reform "Judaism."
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Dexter, I also think you should stay in Israel. You have no idea what a surprise it will be for you when you land here and you see shvartzas running loose. It is much worse than a zoo. I think you should try to find some fun things to do in Israel. I doubt that camp is worth you coming here for.
At Tamarack you won't find any shvartzas running rampant, only Reform "Judaism."
Odkahanechai, when he lands in the airport, he will immediately see negros who are not in control of themselves. I am sure their must be exciting things to do in Israel so their is no reason to come to here. If you drive in certain parts of Brooklyn, you will see more muslims than in ramallah.
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I don't care if they will be reform Jews, I don't care I'll see Black people and Muslims, all I care is that I will have fun.
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I don't care if they will be reform Jews, I don't care I'll see Black people and Muslims, all I care is that I will have fun.
Dexter, are you sure their is nothing fun to do in Israel? I bet your parents will miss you alot.
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I don't care if they will be reform Jews, I don't care I'll see Black people and Muslims, all I care is that I will have fun.
Dexter, I have been there, and I'm telling you, you will not have fun.
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Dexter alot of camps in the USA and Canada try to lure you in by making fancy websites that show kids having fun but in reality, once you get there they will be very strict and lay down lots of rules. Most kids are forced to go away for the summer by their parents so they have no choice. I can guarantee that once you get to the camp, they will be mean as hell and you will hate it. People here are not as nice as in Israel so believe me I am telling you the truth.
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Fine..I'll see. Anyway, what's metter is that I'll pass the test.
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I hope you stay in Israel so when I come there I will see you. :)
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Is Jewish Law kept in that camp? Kosher? Shabat?... Prayers, Tefilim......?
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Is Jewish Law kept in that camp? Kosher? Shabat?... Prayers, Tefilim......?
If it is reform, like someone said, then they would allow and encourage gay and lesbian child couples.
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Is Jewish Law kept in that camp? Kosher? Shabat?... Prayers, Tefilim......?
It is a Kosher camp, but they do not encourage Shmiras Shabbos, and in fact make it very difficult. No davening, obviously, but they have Reformed "services" on Shabbos.
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Is Jewish Law kept in that camp? Kosher? Shabat?... Prayers, Tefilim......?
If it is reform, like someone said, then they would allow and encourage gay and lesbian child couples.
Tzvi, don't go so far!!!!! But honestly, I think that attending a Reform service is enough a problem. You cannot be a Jewish and , at the same time, recite a twisted text of Shemone Esre, omitting the Techiat HaMesim prayer, showing disbelief in Hashem's unlimited power!!!!
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Is Jewish Law kept in that camp? Kosher? Shabat?... Prayers, Tefilim......?
If it is reform, like someone said, then they would allow and encourage gay and lesbian child couples.
Tzvi, don't go so far!!!!! But honestly, I think that attending a Reform service is enough a problem. You cannot be a Jewish and , at the same time, recite a twisted test of Shemone Esre, omitting the Techiat HaMesim prayer, showing disbelief in Hashem's unlimited power!!!!
Dexter, if you need more convincing, I can give you a much more detailed description of the camp.
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I'm not sure if you want to be around that many American and Canadian Jewish children at the same time. Meeting them will be a big shock, and you'll probably be repulsed by most of them. I'm sure you'd be able to find some friends though. If some of the members are saying that they've been there and didn't have a good time, I would take that into consideration.
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Are you guys joking?
Dexter should go. That way he could convince his fellow campers to become JTF supporters and forum members.
He could be an Ambassador of Goodwill.
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Are you guys joking?
Dexter should go. That way he could convince his fellow campers to become JTF supporters and forum members.
He could be an Ambassador of Goodwill.
Trust me, Scriabin, it will not work like that...
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Are you guys joking?
Dexter should go. That way he could convince his fellow campers to become JTF supporters and forum members.
He could be an Ambassador of Goodwill.
Trust me, Scriabin, it will not work like that...
Please explain. Is this place some kind of left-wing indoctrination program?
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These camps will not hire locals for a reason.
It's not as if there are a shortage of Jews from Toronto looking for a summer job. But when they start to bring in workers from abroad, it means they need suckers. Do you want to be that sucker?
The Jews of Canada are kikes. Even the so called "Kahanist" "Conservative" Jews here will sell their brethren out for a penny. I slept on the bench of my local park, in a densely populated and not to mention wealthy Jewish area for two weeks, and no one so much as came up to me and asked me why I was there.
The treachery of the left wing Jews of Canada pales in comparison to the US kikes and would bring any self-respecting Jew down on their knees by just reading the local communist jewish rag known as the "Canadian Jewish News".
I was in the גהני גהנום - the "hell of hells" as I call it, the worst homeless shelter of North America in Toronto, aptly named "Satan House", and I almost burst to tears when after months and months of begging the Jewish Family and Child Services for Kosher meals to no avail, the moslems drive by and offer their dead animal flesh.
Stay away from the Canadian Jews and stay away from Toronto.
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These camps will not hire locals for a reason.
It's not as if there are a shortage of Jews from Toronto looking for a summer job. But when they start to bring in workers from abroad, it means they need suckers. Do you want to be that sucker?
The Jews of Canada are kikes. Even the so called "Kahanist" "Conservative" Jews here will sell their brethren out for a penny. I slept on the bench of my local park, in a densely populated and not to mention wealthy Jewish area for two weeks, and no one so much as came up to me and asked me why I was there.
The treachery of the left wing Jews of Canada pales in comparison to the US kikes and would bring any self-respecting Jew down on their knees by just reading the local communist jewish rag known as the "Canadian Jewish News".
I was in the גהני גהנום - the "hell of hells" as I call it, the worst homeless shelter of North America in Toronto, aptly named "Satan House", and I almost burst to tears when after months and months of begging the Jewish Family and Child Services for Kosher meals to no avail, the moslems drive by and offer their dead animal flesh.
Stay away from the Canadian Jews and stay away from Toronto.
Wow, that is a heartbreaking story. I was really saddened to read about what you went through. Are you in a better situation now? I do have to say that don't be so sure the kikes who live in Lakewood, Flatbush, Boro Park, Williamsburg and so many other places would be any kinder to you. I think that the only place you would find someone who would help you in a situation like that is in crown heights. It's sad to say but it's the truth. Most of the NYC orthodox jews are cold, mean people as well.
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These camps will not hire locals for a reason.
He's not going there as a counselor, he's going there as a camper. But Tamarack does hire a lot of British and Australians (Goyim, of course).
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These camps will not hire locals for a reason.
It's not as if there are a shortage of Jews from Toronto looking for a summer job. But when they start to bring in workers from abroad, it means they need suckers. Do you want to be that sucker?
The Jews of Canada are kikes. Even the so called "Kahanist" "Conservative" Jews here will sell their brethren out for a penny. I slept on the bench of my local park, in a densely populated and not to mention wealthy Jewish area for two weeks, and no one so much as came up to me and asked me why I was there.
The treachery of the left wing Jews of Canada pales in comparison to the US kikes and would bring any self-respecting Jew down on their knees by just reading the local communist jewish rag known as the "Canadian Jewish News".
I was in the גהני גהנום - the "hell of hells" as I call it, the worst homeless shelter of North America in Toronto, aptly named "Satan House", and I almost burst to tears when after months and months of begging the Jewish Family and Child Services for Kosher meals to no avail, the moslems drive by and offer their dead animal flesh.
Stay away from the Canadian Jews and stay away from Toronto.
How did you end up in such a terrible situation? Did your family abandon you? I feel so terrible about this. It's not surprising that orthodox jews didn't help you. We have a situation with Israel surrounded and being attacked by muslim nazis on a daily basis and look how so few jews actively support Israel and are right wing.
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How did you end up in such a terrible situation?
"כי אבי ואמי עזבני וה' יאספני...."
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How did you end up in such a terrible situation?
"כי אבי ואמי עזבני וה' יאספני...."
Really?
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Really.
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Is Jewish Law kept in that camp? Kosher? Shabat?... Prayers, Tefilim......?
If it is reform, like someone said, then they would allow and encourage gay and lesbian child couples.
Tzvi, don't go so far!!!!! But honestly, I think that attending a Reform service is enough a problem. You cannot be a Jewish and , at the same time, recite a twisted text of Shemone Esre, omitting the Techiat HaMesim prayer, showing disbelief in Hashem's unlimited power!!!!
Im not, im just saying what the reform allow these days. They allow basically everything, intermarriage, also gay marriage. If that is allowed why would a gay relationship be forbidden?
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These camps will not hire locals for a reason.
It's not as if there are a shortage of Jews from Toronto looking for a summer job. But when they start to bring in workers from abroad, it means they need suckers. Do you want to be that sucker?
The Jews of Canada are kikes. Even the so called "Kahanist" "Conservative" Jews here will sell their brethren out for a penny. I slept on the bench of my local park, in a densely populated and not to mention wealthy Jewish area for two weeks, and no one so much as came up to me and asked me why I was there.
The treachery of the left wing Jews of Canada pales in comparison to the US kikes and would bring any self-respecting Jew down on their knees by just reading the local communist jewish rag known as the "Canadian Jewish News".
I was in the גהני גהנום - the "hell of hells" as I call it, the worst homeless shelter of North America in Toronto, aptly named "Satan House", and I almost burst to tears when after months and months of begging the Jewish Family and Child Services for Kosher meals to no avail, the moslems drive by and offer their dead animal flesh.
Stay away from the Canadian Jews and stay away from Toronto.
You cant judge the whole community just because of your personal experiece. Soory to hear about what happened to you (if it happened), but not every single Jew in the community is responsible for the actions of a few.
DWI- "don't be so sure the kikes who live in Lakewood, Flatbush, Boro Park, Williamsburg and so many other places would be any kinder to you."
About what DWI said is wrong, their are many good Jews in those communities. Again its something wrong, but cant say I didn't expect it from him ::) .
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Is Jewish Law kept in that camp? Kosher? Shabat?... Prayers, Tefilim......?
If it is reform, like someone said, then they would allow and encourage gay and lesbian child couples.
Tzvi, don't go so far!!!!! But honestly, I think that attending a Reform service is enough a problem. You cannot be a Jewish and , at the same time, recite a twisted text of Shemone Esre, omitting the Techiat HaMesim prayer, showing disbelief in Hashem's unlimited power!!!!
Im not, im just saying what the reform allow these days. They allow basically everything, intermarriage, also gay marriage. If that is allowed why would a gay relationship be forbidden?
Only SOME Reform allow gay marriage. Not all. It's a mitzvah not to consider a Jew guilty in a certain issues, just for having broken another Law.
Anyway, I have never heard anyone (Jew or Gentile) encouraging people to become gay. Even the most radical gay groups who claim weird "rights", as marriage or adoption, have never gone so far as encouraging straight people to try sodomy
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You cant judge the whole community just because of your personal experiece. Soory to hear about what happened to you (if it happened), but not every single Jew in the community is responsible for the actions of a few.
How does the dictum go... "If you save one Jewish life, it is as if you saved the entire world", and if the opposite - if you let a Jewish soul expire, it is as if you killed an entire world.
I have taken people literally off the streets - Jews, into my humble basement room, I have sacrificed my little money for food to give to total strangers. What happened to me was just plain inexcusable.
Once I took this Breslover into my room, and he confirmed what I had felt my entire life since my youth, that there was something "Very wrong" with the community and that he was getting strange evil vibes from the place.
Indeed, a toxic community if there ever was one.
Oh well. This is what you get when people choose to remain in blissful ignorance about the new world order.
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Is Jewish Law kept in that camp? Kosher? Shabat?... Prayers, Tefilim......?
If it is reform, like someone said, then they would allow and encourage gay and lesbian child couples.
Tzvi, don't go so far!!!!! But honestly, I think that attending a Reform service is enough a problem. You cannot be a Jewish and , at the same time, recite a twisted text of Shemone Esre, omitting the Techiat HaMesim prayer, showing disbelief in Hashem's unlimited power!!!!
Im not, im just saying what the reform allow these days. They allow basically everything, intermarriage, also gay marriage. If that is allowed why would a gay relationship be forbidden?
Only SOME Reform allow gay marriage. Not all. It's a mitzvah not to consider a Jew guilty in a certain issues, just for having broken another Law.
Anyway, I have never heard anyone (Jew or Gentile) encouraging people to become gay. Even the most radical gay groups who claim weird "rights", as marriage or adoption, have never gone so far as encouraging straight people to try sodomy
Did you also know that it is a Mitzva to speak out agains't reform, even if they were agains't "gay marriages", because of the many other kefira they are involved in.
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Reform today is evil, and has been taken over, just as the American churches have been taken over, by unsavoury entities.
Let us not forget the heroic Jewish women of the Reform Movement who fought heroically against the fallaciously rooted routine mutilation that takes place. These heroic women were slaughtered in the holocaust.
The Reform movement has never followed its own doctrine. "The Reform Movement" should be looked at just like you would look at the united church.
By the way, the government is training ministers with churches affiliated with the united church to teach their congregations to obey the government in situations of martial law. Why they would do this so suddenly in 30,000 parishes can only mean one thing. Sources forthcoming upon request.
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Tzvi, it's a mitzvah to accuse someone of the mistakes or misdeeds he has really done. But it's an aveirah to accuse him of an evil he hasn't done.
For example, if a Goy here is a thief and goes around stealing, it's my duty to call the police. But it would be wrong and evil if I told the police that that thief is also guilty of murder which in fact was made by another guy.
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Tzvi, it's a mitzvah to accuse someone of the mistakes or misdeeds he has really done. But it's an aveirah to accuse him of an evil he hasn't done.
For example, if a Goy here is a thief and goes around stealing, it's my duty to call the police. But it would be wrong and evil if I told the police that that thief is also guilty of murder which in fact was made by another guy.
I didn't say anything extra, they allow gay marriages, and thats what I said, why would it be far-fetched to say that they would allow a gay couple and not even marriage).
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I don't care if they will be reform Jews, I don't care I'll see Black people and Muslims, all I care is that I will have fun.
Dexter, enjoy yourself
and for all of you naysayers...you can't obtain wisdom sheltering yourself from other countries and other people who might be different in views. As long as you, Dexter, hold on to yourself and become wiser from this experience.
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Tzvi, it's a mitzvah to accuse someone of the mistakes or misdeeds he has really done. But it's an aveirah to accuse him of an evil he hasn't done.
For example, if a Goy here is a thief and goes around stealing, it's my duty to call the police. But it would be wrong and evil if I told the police that that thief is also guilty of murder which in fact was made by another guy.
I didn't say anything extra, they allow gay marriages, and thats what I said, why would it be far-fetched to say that they would allow a gay couple and not even marriage).
ONLY SOME reform allow gay marriage. Not all!!!!!! And even those who allow gay marriage, don't encourage "child gay couples"!!! In fact, you did say something extra!!! I strongly disagree with the reform, but certanily I don't wish to see any libel against Jews. Do you really wish the Goyim to quote this site to "prove" that, at least a branch of Judaism promotes immorality among children, that at least some Jewish summer camps are involved in children corruption..... ??????????
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Tzvi, it's a mitzvah to accuse someone of the mistakes or misdeeds he has really done. But it's an aveirah to accuse him of an evil he hasn't done.
For example, if a Goy here is a thief and goes around stealing, it's my duty to call the police. But it would be wrong and evil if I told the police that that thief is also guilty of murder which in fact was made by another guy.
I didn't say anything extra, they allow gay marriages, and thats what I said, why would it be far-fetched to say that they would allow a gay couple and not even marriage).
ONLY SOME reform allow gay marriage. Not all!!!!!! And even those who allow gay marriage, don't encourage "child gay couples"!!! In fact, you did say something extra!!! I strongly disagree with the reform, but certanily I don't wish to see any libel against Jews. Do you really wish the Goyim to quote this site to "prove" that, at least a branch of Judaism promotes immorality among children, that at least some Jewish summer camps are involved in children corruption..... ??????????
Whatever, (according to their thinking) what would be wrong is 2 boys are together, if 2 men are allowed to be. Anyway their is no merit to the reform movement what-so-ever.
To what I was saying before - IT IS A MITZVAH TO DENIGRATE THEM [THE HERETICS]"
(CHAFETZ CHAIM HILCHOT LASHON HARA KLAL 8:5)
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
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It may be a mitzvah to expose heretics as whay they are: HERETIC. Not to spread libels about crimes, especially if those heretic are still halachically Jewish. And anyway, no mitzvah applies, when it endangers Jewish security. Even if it were allowed to make false accusations against an heretic, you cannot do it if it endangers the whole Am Yisrael. How can you spread the false suspicion that some Jewish orgs. (even if heretic) may be involved in child sexual abuse????
In fact, some Catholic priests have been accused of child molestation, and some of them may be really guilty of the crime. But nobody would even think demanding the destruction of Catholics, let alone all Christians!!!!
But if someone spreads the libel against a Jewish group, then all Jews and those who support them may be attacked!!!!!! Have you forgotten the anti-Semites???? They are eager to take anything at their reach, to use against Am Yisrael, and those who support it!!!!!!
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I agree with you Tzvi. I'm just saying it's not the end of the world to go to a deform camp as the secular schools in Israel are not much different ... and they are probably going to stay as far away from religion as possible in the camp and not do any indocrinating at all since half of the student will not be jewish anyway so it will be more like a secular Israeli camp than anything else and that's what type of school Dexter is in already so no difference.
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Tzvi, why don't we send him to the shas summer camp for boys. I am sure he can learn honesty and integrity from them. He would probably come out loving judaism and religious jews from the experience.
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Tzvi, why don't we send him to the shas summer camp for boys. I am sure he can learn honesty and integrity from them. He would probably come out loving judaism and religious jews from the experience.
If your parents would have sent you to a yeshiva, or would have taught you how to be a human being then maybe you wouldn't have been in the category of someone who will be sent to a very hoot place for a very long time. In the future you will see.
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You both, DWI and Tzwi.... is it that I can't understand modern colloquial English...or is it that you, DWI, are being sarcastic about Shas Yeshivot? And the same to you Tzwi, who seem to hate Chabad!!!!!!
Can't you stop attacks, and concentrate on our enemies, the enemies of Mankind?
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Tzvi, why don't we send him to the shas summer camp for boys. I am sure he can learn honesty and integrity from them. He would probably come out loving judaism and religious jews from the experience.
If your parents would have sent you to a yeshiva, or would have taught you how to be a human being then maybe you wouldn't have been in the category of someone who will be sent to a very hoot place for a very long time. In the future you will see.
Roshel, being that you make g-d's decisions for him, it must really be the case that I will be burning in hell. After all, if you say so it must be. Now onto some more realistic things, how can someone who slandered such a large portion of Chabad Chasidim saying that they need to be excommunicated get so uptight when I criticize shas or his rabbis. I guess some people here consider jews who are unlike themselves, not to be jews. Their is a certain arrogance in thinking that you know what g-d will do. Only a fool could be repeatedly sure that he knows g-d's entire game plan. If someone did know of this game plan, I can assure everyone that it wouldn't be someone who belittles, slanders and dehumanizes so many kind lubavitchers of whom a few are members of this forum.
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please quote me where I said that Chabad needs to be excommunicated?
You keep making me sound like you (G-d forbid, lehavdil). What I origionally said in response to Lubab was that he shouldn't suggest excommunicating religious Jews, and Rabbis, because if anything he should first look into his own group.
How many times should I repeat what I have, but either way all you want to do is defame me, defame Talmedi Hachamim and defame whole Religious communities for no apparent reason.
About what is going on with Chabad on the other threads, yes I am backing Judea and when the discussion is going on, then why cant I post a comment? I never cursed any Rabbi, unlike someone here, but point out the problems, since the discussion is going on.
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Your words defame you Mr Tzvi, I don't have to. For the benefit of our dear memebers, I just browsed through some threads and found some nice posts which personify our in house tzaddik. Below are some quotes from tzvi ben roshel. In no way is it complete, I simply don't have the time now to look through everything.
I agree, nothing personal on Lubab, but this cant be permitted as legit in any way shape or form. It is xtianity reincarnated.
So when I origionaly said to Lubab that if anything, if we are going to talk about excommunicating some observent Jews, then we should start in Chabad.
About sending in $, I dont work now, so I dont have too much $ to give. But when I do have, I will admit that I dont give to JTF, not because its not good, but becuase I feel that the best spiritual investment I can do is to give to www.Torahanytime.com - which is involved with lectures and is responsible for getting thousands of Jews religious and to know the Torah, and learn Torah (which is = to all the Mitzvot, every second of learning)- simply speaking- its the best investment in history to do.
About lubavitch, it cannot be denied that many of them belive that their previous DEAD Rabbi will come back to life (or actually he isn't dead, like they say), and he is the moshiah, etc. Their are many parelles between them and the followers of yeshu, and also many other false messiahs.
Lubab lets not talk about excommunicating Rabbis, if anything the Lubavitch would be #1 on the list.
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
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Your words defame you Mr Tzvi, I don't have to. For the benefit of our dear memebers, I just browsed through some threads and found some nice posts which personify our in house tzaddik. Below are some quotes from tzvi ben roshel. In no way is it complete, I simply don't have the time now to look through everything.
I agree, nothing personal on Lubab, but this cant be permitted as legit in any way shape or form. It is xtianity reincarnated.
So when I origionaly said to Lubab that if anything, if we are going to talk about excommunicating some observent Jews, then we should start in Chabad.
About sending in $, I dont work now, so I dont have too much $ to give. But when I do have, I will admit that I dont give to JTF, not because its not good, but becuase I feel that the best spiritual investment I can do is to give to www.Torahanytime.com - which is involved with lectures and is responsible for getting thousands of Jews religious and to know the Torah, and learn Torah (which is = to all the Mitzvot, every second of learning)- simply speaking- its the best investment in history to do.
About lubavitch, it cannot be denied that many of them belive that their previous DEAD Rabbi will come back to life (or actually he isn't dead, like they say), and he is the moshiah, etc. Their are many parelles between them and the followers of yeshu, and also many other false messiahs.
Lubab lets not talk about excommunicating Rabbis, if anything the Lubavitch would be #1 on the list.
??? ::) . Whats wrong about what I said?
1- was talking about beliving a person is G-d.
2, 4, and 5 were to lubab so?
3- I was saying that when I had $ and I gave charity, I gave to www.Torahanytime.com . Was I speaking out agains't JTF or any other charity organization, NO, I just said honestly where I gave $ when I had (either way its very little and insignificant , it would not make a difference). When B"H I will have a good amount of money, I would be able to give to many different organizations.
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
I dont have the source, but im pretty sure no Rabbi would allow a parent to send a child to such a camp (well no real Orthodox Rabbi).
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
it's goign to the camp despite the point of views of the people there to learn ideals.
Homosexuality is evil behavior.
Learning what backward people do is, in itself, not evil.
Making it forbidden to learn what backward people do is NOT what i would want to encourage an INTELLIGENT person to do. Otherwise, curiosity will bite him in the future.
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
I dont have the source, but im pretty sure no Rabbi would allow a parent to send a child to such a camp (well no real Orthodox Rabbi).
"Real" orthodox?
You [censored] me off, Tzvi! It's only real when you agree with it, but when you disagree with it, it's fake!?
I can't stand your self-righteous prideful fundamentalism! You do Torah and Judaism no justice with your insanity! I dont' blame DWI being pissed off with you because of your annoying attitude of life in general!
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
I dont have the source, but im pretty sure no Rabbi would allow a parent to send a child to such a camp (well no real Orthodox Rabbi).
"Real" orthodox?
You [censored] me off, Tzvi! It's only real when you agree with it, but when you disagree with it, it's fake!?
I can't stand your self-righteous prideful fundamentalism! You do Torah and Judaism no justice with your insanity! I dont' blame DWI being pissed off with you because of your annoying attitude of life in general!
Dan you hit it spot on. Only if someone agrees with tzvis rabbis and his outlook is he a jew in the eyes of tzvi. He terrorizes Chabad but gets all excited when the evil of Ovadia Yosef is exposed. He actually thinks of himself as being above g-d because he always manages to pronounce on this forum what g-d will do to me. He predicted that I will burn in hell and he wished that it would come quickly. Over and over again, he makes decisions that only g-d is able to. He feels that he is holy enough to criticise chabad and he wants to excommunicate them from the jewish community. Look how he want to torture these people. Look at what a horrible example he sets for non religious jews. Anyone who reads his posts is immediately turned off. I wish he would be banned from this forum but I doubt it will happen.
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Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
Sigh. The עם הארצות in here is disturbing.
I was once sitting at a table Shavuos time. There was a homosexual there I knew and some other guy who I know to be a paranoid schizoid. Anyways, he was quite arrogant and he started bringing up pseudo-Judaic tracts. Such as the fable that Adam's first wife was Lilith the queen of demons.
This fable was written in a medieval era book called "Aleph Bet D'Eliyahu" or something like that and was never accepted in mainstream Judaism. Before he brought this up, in a direct effort to attack his homosexual friend (His friend was not an acting homosexual - and this is the point I'm trying to bring up) he started saying how the Jewish Messiah was not coming because of homosexuality while emitting an evil glance at his poor friend.
I felt like I was one of the Rabbonim at the table of the רשע who mistakenly invited Bar Kamtza who didn't speak up when Bar Kamtza was publicly humiliated.
Homosexuality is not against the Torah. Lying with another man is. It is perfectly acceptable to be a homosexual if God created you that way. Anyone who attacks homosexuals strictly based on how they were created is a wicked wretch and may heaven have mercy on your soul.
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Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
Sigh. The עם הארצות in here is disturbing.
I was once sitting at a table Shavuos time. There was a homosexual there I knew and some other guy who I know to be a paranoid schizoid. Anyways, he was quite arrogant and he started bringing up pseudo-Judaic tracts. Such as the fable that Adam's first wife was Lilith the queen of demons.
This fable was written in a medieval era book called "Aleph Bet D'Eliyahu" or something like that and was never accepted in mainstream Judaism. Before he brought this up, in a direct effort to attack his homosexual friend (His friend was not an acting homosexual - and this is the point I'm trying to bring up) he started saying how the Jewish Messiah was not coming because of homosexuality while emitting an evil glance at his poor friend.
I felt like I was one of the Rabbonim at the table of the רשע who mistakenly invited Bar Kamtza who didn't speak up when Bar Kamtza was publicly humiliated.
Homosexuality is not against the Torah. Lying with another man is. It is perfectly acceptable to be a homosexual if G-d created you that way. Anyone who attacks homosexuals strictly based on how they were created is a wicked wretch and may heaven have mercy on your soul.
Well thats just a semantics game.
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Let's not. You're agendizing.
Making blanket statements about homosexuals is tantamount to collective abuse. These kids who know they're different will still grow up and marry a female and have a family if they're not constantly berated about the way they were created.
Judaism never stood for this. All that it says is that a man shall not lie with another man. It is not a sin to be born a homosexual.
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Well it's certainly debatable whether or not people are born homosexual.
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In fact, there is a difference between being gay (sexual deviation), and lying with another man (sodomy). The fisrt is not even mentioned in the Torah, while the second is in fact a sin. Not all gays do the act of sodomy, and not all sodomites are gay, either.( just search for ancient Geek history, sodomy was a custom, and I assume most Greek sodomites were straight) I assume that people here mean "sodomites" when they say "gay".
However, even regarding real sodomites, we must be very carefull with hate words. Today there is no fully recognised Sanhedrin in Israel, and no Noahide Dayanim in Gentile lands. If we had such courts.... perhaps many would be condemned before the sodomites, for other sins. So better be carefull!!!!
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Wow..5 pages. Anyway, I will let you know if I will get through it. I don't understand why is it so bother that it's a reform Jewish camp (if it is..). I think they'll be seculer, not reform.
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Wow..5 pages. Anyway, I will let you know if I will get through it. I don't understand why is it so bother that it's a reform Jewish camp (if it is..). I think they'll be seculer, not reform.
Just tell them about JTF.
That's all I ask.
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Well it's certainly debatable whether or not people are born homosexual.
Irrelevant at this point. I don't think children try and deviate from the norm to the extent of alienating themselves from their family, society, and whatnot.
Any homosexual can derive pleasure with sexual actions with a woman.
This is all the Torah is saying. If you are inclined to sleep with a man, you will be severely punished if you do, go and marry a woman. That's all.
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Good luck Dexter. Hope you get to enjoy camp, whether it's this one or another. I agree with Scriabin, it good give you a good chance to spread the JTF message, and if you happen to see evil behavior, I'm sure given your background and values, you would be strong enough not to partake in it. O0
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Homosexuality is not against the Torah. Lying with another man is. It is perfectly acceptable to be a homosexual if G-d created you that way. Anyone who attacks homosexuals strictly based on how they were created is a wicked wretch and may heaven have mercy on your soul.
As much as I doubt the bonafides of this poster he may well be technically correct.
An urge to act evil (be it sodomy, assaulting another motorist, stealing etc) in itself is not a crime. Only the deed is.
I watched a show on TV about such things. According to the program there could be many 'homosexuals' who never have sex with another man for social, cultural or religious reasons. They also said there are pedophiles who never actually mollest children. I suppose if such people are able to resist their urges and not act on them we can't really condemn them.
I don't think too many would resist though.
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I don't think too many would resist though.
You'd be surprised.
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I don't think too many would resist though.
You'd be surprised.
Well getting the numbers would be impossible. What closet, non-active homo or pedo is going to admit their inclination, even in some anonymous university questionaire?
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Fine..I'll see. Anyway, what's metter is that I'll pass the test.
What type of test do they make you take?
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Fine..I'll see. Anyway, what's metter is that I'll pass the test.
What type of test do they make you take?
Yeah, i want to ask them same thing....
Though from the website and the pictures, it does look like a lot of fun.
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Fine..I'll see. Anyway, what's metter is that I'll pass the test.
What type of test do they make you take?
Yeah, i want to ask them same thing....
Though from the website and the pictures, it does look like a lot of fun.
the website looks interesting and pics
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
I dont have the source, but im pretty sure no Rabbi would allow a parent to send a child to such a camp (well no real Orthodox Rabbi).
"Real" orthodox?
You [censored] me off, Tzvi! It's only real when you agree with it, but when you disagree with it, it's fake!?
I can't stand your self-righteous prideful fundamentalism! You do Torah and Judaism no justice with your insanity! I dont' blame DWI being pissed off with you because of your annoying attitude of life in general!
Dan you hit it spot on. Only if someone agrees with tzvis rabbis and his outlook is he a jew in the eyes of tzvi. He terrorizes Chabad but gets all excited when the evil of Ovadia Yosef is exposed. He actually thinks of himself as being above g-d because he always manages to pronounce on this forum what g-d will do to me. He predicted that I will burn in hell and he wished that it would come quickly. Over and over again, he makes decisions that only g-d is able to. He feels that he is holy enough to criticise chabad and he wants to excommunicate them from the jewish community. Look how he want to torture these people. Look at what a horrible example he sets for non religious jews. Anyone who reads his posts is immediately turned off. I wish he would be banned from this forum but I doubt it will happen.
There is more than one way to be right...If there were only one way to be right, then we shoudl pursue the one world mentality...and a one world mentality, we have learned, isnothing more than a tower of babel.
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Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
Sigh. The עם הארצות in here is disturbing.
I was once sitting at a table Shavuos time. There was a homosexual there I knew and some other guy who I know to be a paranoid schizoid. Anyways, he was quite arrogant and he started bringing up pseudo-Judaic tracts. Such as the fable that Adam's first wife was Lilith the queen of demons.
This fable was written in a medieval era book called "Aleph Bet D'Eliyahu" or something like that and was never accepted in mainstream Judaism. Before he brought this up, in a direct effort to attack his homosexual friend (His friend was not an acting homosexual - and this is the point I'm trying to bring up) he started saying how the Jewish Messiah was not coming because of homosexuality while emitting an evil glance at his poor friend.
I felt like I was one of the Rabbonim at the table of the רשע who mistakenly invited Bar Kamtza who didn't speak up when Bar Kamtza was publicly humiliated.
Homosexuality is not against the Torah. Lying with another man is. It is perfectly acceptable to be a homosexual if G-d created you that way. Anyone who attacks homosexuals strictly based on how they were created is a wicked wretch and may heaven have mercy on your soul.
homosexual behavior is what is considered by Torah to be an abomination to Gd...so you're correct.
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
I dont have the source, but im pretty sure no Rabbi would allow a parent to send a child to such a camp (well no real Orthodox Rabbi).
"Real" orthodox?
You [censored] me off, Tzvi! It's only real when you agree with it, but when you disagree with it, it's fake!?
I can't stand your self-righteous prideful fundamentalism! You do Torah and Judaism no justice with your insanity! I dont' blame DWI being pissed off with you because of your annoying attitude of life in general!
Dan you hit it spot on. Only if someone agrees with tzvis rabbis and his outlook is he a jew in the eyes of tzvi. He terrorizes Chabad but gets all excited when the evil of Ovadia Yosef is exposed. He actually thinks of himself as being above g-d because he always manages to pronounce on this forum what g-d will do to me. He predicted that I will burn in hell and he wished that it would come quickly. Over and over again, he makes decisions that only g-d is able to. He feels that he is holy enough to criticise chabad and he wants to excommunicate them from the jewish community. Look how he want to torture these people. Look at what a horrible example he sets for non religious jews. Anyone who reads his posts is immediately turned off. I wish he would be banned from this forum but I doubt it will happen.
There is more than one way to be right...If there were only one way to be right, then we shoudl pursue the one world mentality...and a one world mentality, we have learned, isnothing more than a tower of babel.
That doesn't justify deviating from the Torah path that has been handed for generations. That also doesn't justify deform and conservative so- called Judasim, and all the other "free-thinkers" who cant admit their mistakes and then go on and make their own convenient rules and excuses. WHY? just in order to free their conscious, if desecrating Shabb-t, or sleeping with a goya, or dong homosexual acts is karet, then lets hide that fact, lets make up new convenient rules. Or lets says that turning on the computer or switching the lights on isn't really what G-d was talking about. ::) - Those who cant admit their mistakes will never improve themselves.
At the tower of Bavel they were all united- BUT were united for evil. At Mt. Sinai all the Jews were united- But were united for good - to recieve the Torah from G-d. (thats why the nation was addressed in the singular and not in the plural).
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Hey, if I am going to a goyishah medical school why can't Dexter go to a reform camp. He'll hopefully have some fun being in a different country and learn why the reform are so evil ... nothing substitutes seeing it with your own eyes. Although you would be better off studying Torah or working in Yukutiel's settlement ... no disagreement there.
Is this a serious question? You are in medical school to earn a living, he wants to go to camp in order to have a good time. + who says that the medical school is a bad place? Their not Jewish but it doesn't mean they are evil people, BUT being associated with refom and learning their messed up, philosophy on Judasim which is wrong is forbidden.
Forbidding it may cause a desire in people to go after it for a twisted reason. Dexter is a big boy...
Being gay is also forbidden. Are you telling me that because it is forbidden, now everyone is going to be gay because of that? Or it shouldn't be forbidden because of that?
Tzvi, being gay is forbidden by judaism, going to this camp is not forbidden.
I dont have the source, but im pretty sure no Rabbi would allow a parent to send a child to such a camp (well no real Orthodox Rabbi).
"Real" orthodox?
You [censored] me off, Tzvi! It's only real when you agree with it, but when you disagree with it, it's fake!?
I can't stand your self-righteous prideful fundamentalism! You do Torah and Judaism no justice with your insanity! I dont' blame DWI being pissed off with you because of your annoying attitude of life in general!
Dan you hit it spot on. Only if someone agrees with tzvis rabbis and his outlook is he a jew in the eyes of tzvi. He terrorizes Chabad but gets all excited when the evil of Ovadia Yosef is exposed. He actually thinks of himself as being above g-d because he always manages to pronounce on this forum what g-d will do to me. He predicted that I will burn in hell and he wished that it would come quickly. Over and over again, he makes decisions that only g-d is able to. He feels that he is holy enough to criticise chabad and he wants to excommunicate them from the jewish community. Look how he want to torture these people. Look at what a horrible example he sets for non religious jews. Anyone who reads his posts is immediately turned off. I wish he would be banned from this forum but I doubt it will happen.
There is more than one way to be right...If there were only one way to be right, then we shoudl pursue the one world mentality...and a one world mentality, we have learned, isnothing more than a tower of babel.
That doesn't justify deviating from the Torah path that has been handed for generations. That also doesn't justify deform and conservative so- called Judasim, and all the other "free-thinkers" who cant admit their mistakes and then go on and make their own convenient rules and excuses. WHY? just in order to free their conscious, if desecrating Shabbat, or sleeping with a goya, or dong homosexual acts is karet, then lets hide that fact, lets make up new convenient rules. Or lets says that turning on the computer or switching the lights on isn't really what G-d was talking about. ::) - Those who cant admit their mistakes will never improve themselves.
At the tower of Bavel they were all united- BUT were united for evil. At Mt. Sinai all the Jews were united- But were united for good - to recieve the Torah from G-d. (thats why the nation was addressed in the singular and not in the plural).
Tzvi, I wasn't referring to this specifically. Every Jew and every denomination, (if you want to call it that), of Judaism and every Rebbe of every town has a different opinion and different interpretation of certain halakhot and Torah rules. What i'm trying to say is that there is no such thing as "real" orthodox. What's "real"? "Real" to you means whatever your rebbe says is right and everythign else that anybody else says that is different or even the opposite is wrong.
Now, I wasn't talking about homosexuality being ok and I wasn't talking about desecrating Shabbat (according to Orthodox tradition).
I am merely stating that it should be ok for Jews to be free thinkers with holy intentions. Yes, we shoudl learn what the Rabbis teach. But we are entitled to have opinions of agreement, disagreement, or confusion based on what they say and have said. It's not a matter of losing faith in Torah. It's a means of understanding it according to each person. In other words, I'm all for people taking classes or learning from all types of rabbis even the deformed and conserved ones just so that you know how to answer back at insane things they might say. Perhaps there is another angle of looking at the same thing that your rebbe hasn't thought of.
Tsvi, you're the type of person who just listens and goes with the flow and have a one-track mind. You can't handle it when people disagree with you. You have a lot of growing up to do if you are going to make it in the real world.
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Dan you are so right here. I couldn't agree with you more.