AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA.
MasterWolf,
I dont know what to say to sooth this problem. I too have a lot of anger at the Catholic church and cannot excuse it for the terrible things it has done to the Jewish people {and the things it is still doing}... But I like you and hope you can see through the problem. I hope you will understand that it takes a long time for these things to be forgiven.
I know that the Jewish people did not ask to be decimated by the Roman Catholic church... We were told that we were of the devil and murdered... But I don't think we are blaming the Catholics of today. If only the Church would address the issues which call the Jewish people sons of devils, etc... I wish we could have peace...
I don't care if a person who calls for the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people by calling to expel the Jews of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem
and the creation of a Hamas/PLO Nazi "Palestine" State is a Pope, an Imam or a Buddhist priest - call a Nazi a Nazi and a spade a spade.
And I will have no mercy upon Fuhrereite Nazi monsters serving in the Hitler Jugend.
And you call that "disagreement" you Italian MasterWhore?
AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA.
What will you do? make me some Pizza?
I don't care if a person who calls for the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people by calling to expel the Jews of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem
and the creation of a Hamas/PLO Nazi "Palestine" State is a Pope, an Imam or a Buddhist priest - call a Nazi a Nazi and a spade a spade.
And I will have no mercy upon Fuhrereite Nazi monsters serving in the Hitler Jugend.
And you call that "disagreement" you Italian MasterWhore?
AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA.
What will you do? make me some Pizza?
A Pizza? YOU ARE A BIGOTED MINDED LITTLE MAN.. WTF YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO YOU LITTLE SOB.. YOU CAN GO TO HELL MASTERWHORE? I GAVE 12 YEARS TO THIS MOVEMENT WHERE THE HELL YOU BEEN HIDING SOMEWHERE YOU FILTHY LOW LIFE CHILD .. YOU ARE BIGOT FILTHY SWINE YEA YOU RON
YOU COME IN HERE ACTING LIKE YOU ARE BETTER THEN ANYBODY ELSE.. NOBODY HAS EVERY HAD A FIGHT OR CONFRONTATION WITH ANOTHER MEMBER ON THIS BOARD LIKE YOU.. THIS BOARD HAS BEEN FOR WHAT SINCE 2007 AND WE ALL HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER YOU LITTLE RAT YOU ARE TRYING WHAT TO PUT A WEDGE IN THIS FORUM DO YOU WANT HALF THE FORUM TO LEAVE? WHAT ARE YOU A MIDGET LITTLE FOOL
I don't care if a person who calls for the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people by calling to expel the Jews of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem
and the creation of a Hamas/PLO Nazi "Palestine" State is a Pope, an Imam or a Buddhist priest - call a Nazi a Nazi and a spade a spade.
And I will have no mercy upon Fuhrereite Nazi monsters serving in the Hitler Jugend.
And you call that "disagreement" you Italian MasterWhore?
AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA.
What will you do? make me some Pizza?
A Pizza? YOU ARE A BIGOTED MINDED LITTLE MAN.. WTF YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO YOU LITTLE SOB.. YOU CAN GO TO HELL MASTERWHORE? I GAVE 12 YEARS TO THIS MOVEMENT WHERE THE HELL YOU BEEN HIDING SOMEWHERE YOU FILTHY LOW LIFE CHILD .. YOU ARE BIGOT FILTHY SWINE YEA YOU RON
Brothas be banging yo sista you wanna be Mafioso
YOU COME IN HERE ACTING LIKE YOU ARE BETTER THEN ANYBODY ELSE.. NOBODY HAS EVERY HAD A FIGHT OR CONFRONTATION WITH ANOTHER MEMBER ON THIS BOARD LIKE YOU.. THIS BOARD HAS BEEN FOR WHAT SINCE 2007 AND WE ALL HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER YOU LITTLE RAT YOU ARE TRYING WHAT TO PUT A WEDGE IN THIS FORUM DO YOU WANT HALF THE FORUM TO LEAVE? WHAT ARE YOU A MIDGET LITTLE FOOL
I guess I am better than you MasterWhore if you're so annoyed by what I say.
I wonder what is the real reason you oppose Obama if he says the things your Pope says.
YOU COME IN HERE ACTING LIKE YOU ARE BETTER THEN ANYBODY ELSE.. NOBODY HAS EVERY HAD A FIGHT OR CONFRONTATION WITH ANOTHER MEMBER ON THIS BOARD LIKE YOU.. THIS BOARD HAS BEEN FOR WHAT SINCE 2007 AND WE ALL HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER YOU LITTLE RAT YOU ARE TRYING WHAT TO PUT A WEDGE IN THIS FORUM DO YOU WANT HALF THE FORUM TO LEAVE? WHAT ARE YOU A MIDGET LITTLE FOOL
I guess I am better than you MasterWhore if you're so annoyed by what I say.
I wonder what is the real reason you oppose Obama if he says the things your Pope says.
I WONDER WHY YOU SIDE WITH MUSLIMS TO TRY TO PROMOTE THREATS TO ANYONE DO YOU SUPPORT ISLAMIC FREAKS YOU DIRTY LITTLE FREAK YOURSELF.. YES YOU ARE A DISGRUNTLE LITTLE NUT YOU 12 YEAR OLD MIDGET
I don't care if a person who calls for the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people by calling to expel the Jews of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem
and the creation of a Hamas/PLO Nazi "Palestine" State is a Pope, an Imam or a Buddhist priest - call a Nazi a Nazi and a spade a spade.
And I will have no mercy upon Fuhrereite Nazi monsters serving in the Hitler Jugend.
And you call that "disagreement" you Italian MasterWhore?
AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA.
What will you do? make me some Pizza?
A Pizza? YOU ARE A BIGOTED MINDED LITTLE MAN.. WTF YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO YOU LITTLE SOB.. YOU CAN GO TO HELL MASTERWHORE? I GAVE 12 YEARS TO THIS MOVEMENT WHERE THE HELL YOU BEEN HIDING SOMEWHERE YOU FILTHY LOW LIFE CHILD .. YOU ARE BIGOT FILTHY SWINE YEA YOU RON
Brothas be banging yo sista you wanna be Mafioso
EXCUSE ME YOU LITTLE DISRESPECTFUL PIG? YOU ARE NOT ONLY A BIGOT BUT NOW YOU GOT A PROBLEM CAUSE I AM ALSO ITALIAN HOW ABOUT YOU GO IN THE CORNER FOR YOUR "TIME OUT" JUNIOR GO HIDE IN THE DARK SOMEWHERE AND FIND OUT WHY I KEEP GETTING MESSAGES FROM PEOPLE THEY ARE SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR HIGHER THEN ANYONE ELSE ATTITUDE YOU ARE NOTHING YOU WILL STAY NOTHING ..
THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE UPSET WHEN ANYONE SAY THEY HATE YOU .. CAUSE I GOT PEOPLE ALL THE TIME SENDING ME PM THEY ARE TIRED OF YOUR BIGGER THEN ANYONE ELSE ATTITUDE AND COON AND MASSUAH ARE 100% RIGHT SO IS RUBY YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT TRY TO PUT DIVIDES ON PEOPLE YOU ARE A DISGUSTING LOW LIFE TURD YOU KNOW THAT.. ALL YOU DO IS BASH OTHERS ON THIS FORUM THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE DONE,, AND DON'T YOU DARE TRY TO BASH ME LITTLE MAN I WILL TAKE YOU DOWN MYSELF I BEEN BEEN FIGHTING WITH THIS MOVEMENT LONG BEFORE YOU PROBABLY WAS EVEN BORN .. WHY NOT GO AHEAD AND BASH EVERY CHRIISTIAN YOU SUPPORT MUSLIMS TO THREATEN OR KILL THEM CAUSE YOU ARE A SICK TWISTED FOOL YOURSELF SONYOU COME IN HERE ACTING LIKE YOU ARE BETTER THEN ANYBODY ELSE.. NOBODY HAS EVERY HAD A FIGHT OR CONFRONTATION WITH ANOTHER MEMBER ON THIS BOARD LIKE YOU.. THIS BOARD HAS BEEN FOR WHAT SINCE 2007 AND WE ALL HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER YOU LITTLE RAT YOU ARE TRYING WHAT TO PUT A WEDGE IN THIS FORUM DO YOU WANT HALF THE FORUM TO LEAVE? WHAT ARE YOU A MIDGET LITTLE FOOL
I guess I am better than you MasterWhore if you're so annoyed by what I say.
I wonder what is the real reason you oppose Obama if he says the things your Pope says.
I WONDER WHY YOU SIDE WITH MUSLIMS TO TRY TO PROMOTE THREATS TO ANYONE DO YOU SUPPORT ISLAMIC FREAKS YOU DIRTY LITTLE FREAK YOURSELF.. YES YOU ARE A DISGRUNTLE LITTLE NUT YOU 12 YEAR OLD MIDGET
I don't side with Muslims. I just say the truth - the Crusaders and the Muslims are the same sh*t, just like the Soviets and the Nazis. I hate you both, don't worry.
Alright guys this is getting a little rediculous, please take it to PM. The majority of Catholics are not bad people nor do they follow what the pope teaches, that is primarily the Vatican. I don't agree with the Vatican either but I'd sure be outcasting a lot of good people who support Israel and the Jews if I said the Catholics are my enemies. We have far greater problems than the sect of Christianity some of our members take part of.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
WHAT?????????????????? >:( >:(
I don't care if a person who calls for the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people by calling to expel the Jews of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem
and the creation of a Hamas/PLO Nazi "Palestine" State is a Pope, an Imam or a Buddhist priest - call a Nazi a Nazi and a spade a spade.
And I will have no mercy upon Fuhrereite Nazi monsters serving in the Hitler Jugend.
And you call that "disagreement" you Italian MasterWhore?
AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA.
What will you do? make me some Pizza?
A Pizza? YOU ARE A BIGOTED MINDED LITTLE MAN.. WTF YOU THINK YOU ARE TALKING TO YOU LITTLE SOB.. YOU CAN GO TO HELL MASTERWHORE? I GAVE 12 YEARS TO THIS MOVEMENT WHERE THE HELL YOU BEEN HIDING SOMEWHERE YOU FILTHY LOW LIFE CHILD .. YOU ARE BIGOT FILTHY SWINE YEA YOU RON
Brothas be banging yo sista you wanna be Mafioso
Chaim it is more then just that, I been seeing if some people do not agree we are called Nazis that is a very nasty label to be called .. I don't know who locked this But I felt like this is needed to be told as much as we need open forum to be called nazis or other slandering remarks .. I know Ron doesn't really talk on behalf of JTF .. I have given my G-d given heart to JTF for well over 12 years Since I met David Ben Mosche. But to have this person come here and bash people of other faiths this is going to make JTF look like we are crazy and can't be taken seriously. I think this should be open and not have to hide what this person is saying. Cause I think we have as many if not more Christian and Catholic members on this forum and It is not your fault brother nor anyone else on this forum. But I do not like or will allow anyone like this person to talk to me like this. This I won't accept from anybody. Or allow anyone to tell me what I should believe either.
I also didn't like being called "MasterWhore" I have no idea who this guy thinks he is, but if he expects to be taken seriously or want people to respect him and he shows little respect to anybody. Maybe he should lighten up a bit and stop trashing and start to see how we can work together... By being insulting he isn't helping himself it makes him look weak
I think Ron should be banned after the filthy attacks against Masterwolf, who is more than a valued member. How is him being called Masterwhore and calling Catholics Nazis helping JTF? He's also promoting bigotry against Italians. I really think Ron is retarded or a troll from StørmFrønt.Ron is a great Jew that tells the truth about how he feels and I respect him for that. Why can't we call the pope a Nazi when he calls for the destruction of Israel? He is no different from any other Nazi animal and unlike your average Nazi he has the power to help The Jewish People and chooses not to.
It's alright to disagree with JTF, but to promote hatred of Catholics is ridiculous.
I don't care if a person who calls for the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people by calling to expel the Jews of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem
and the creation of a Hamas/PLO Nazi "Palestine" State is a Pope, an Imam or a Buddhist priest - call a Nazi a Nazi and a spade a spade.
And I will have no mercy upon Fuhrereite Nazi monsters serving in the Hitler Jugend.
And you call that "disagreement" you Italian MasterWhore?
AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA.
What will you do? make me some Pizza?
As I have said many times, there are tons of reasons why a Jew can despise the Catholic church and christianity as a whole. This religion, which we have been told has been reformed and is sorry for its transgressions, has killed many Jews. It has also destroyed Jewish families, and it continues to try to rid the world of Jews. I still have a lot of anger over the antisemitic bible of the christians. But I will not go into it here.muman, the best you can hope for between Jews and Roman Catholics is a peaceful coexistence... 1 billion Catholics are not going to turn their backs on the New Testament to make you or any other Jew happy... If the two groups can't find some common ground to move forward on people will still be having this same discourse a few hundred years from now... I think it would be far more productive to work on things that can be improved moving forward rather then opening old wounds of the past.
I take the word of the non-Jewish JTF members that they do not believe the antisemitic contents of the NT. Sometimes I don't know if we can trust them because in the past we have relied on non-Jews only to be let down.
I will clearly say once again I do not hate those who follow the religion they were born into. I only hope that those people will examine the teachings and conclude that they are not in line with the teaching of the Tanach and reject the teachings which are contrary to Torah. I will not force anyone to believe something they don't want to believe. I will not hate them and believe that they are going to 'hell', as they are taught Jews will. I will simply hate people who hate Jews... Hashem clearly says those who curse Jews will be cursed.
As I have said many times, there are tons of reasons why a Jew can despise the Catholic church and christianity as a whole. This religion, which we have been told has been reformed and is sorry for its transgressions, has killed many Jews. It has also destroyed Jewish families, and it continues to try to rid the world of Jews. I still have a lot of anger over the antisemitic bible of the christians. But I will not go into it here.
1.I take the word of the non-Jewish JTF members that they do not believe the antisemitic contents of the NT. 2Sometimes I don't know if we can trust them
because in the past we have relied on non-Jews only to be let down.
This to me is just not true. What situation are you referring to?
Behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it; so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust on him.
This to me is just not true. What situation are you referring to?
pact with Rome against Greece, for example
This to me is just not true. What situation are you referring to?
pact with Rome against Greece, for example
And don't forget EgyptQuote from: Isaiah 36:6Behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it; so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust on him.
You have nothing to be embarrassed about, you didn't say it you shouldn't be sorry.. If this is how it is in the Hebrew forum fine he has zero idea what we are going through in this side of the world. And for him to make his bigotry statement like this shows he is 12 and mindless. I can't, neither you or anyone here be held in the cross fires for things that happened 100s of years except to learn from it and never repeat them. This forum been here since 06 I believe, I been here before that, I seen them all come and go and the majority of Jews being slammed on this forum came from other Jews. And yes they been delt with the same way if a Christians does but it works both ways. He can't expect to slam people here and being called a NAZI if we don't agree with.. Everyone's input if valued but if we start talking crazy any new comer that I am trying to recruit sees this cra they will think we are crazy. I love my JTF family but I refuse anyone talking to me the way he did .. And he has done this to numerous othersThis to me is just not true. What situation are you referring to?
pact with Rome against Greece, for example
And you, little man were there to witness this event...
Masterwolf, I feel so embarassed over this person. I am SO sorry.
I think Ron should be banned after the filthy attacks against Masterwolf, who is more than a valued member. How is him being called Masterwhore and calling Catholics Nazis helping JTF? He's also promoting bigotry against Italians. I really think Ron is retarded or a troll from StørmFrønt.Ron is a great Jew that tells the truth about how he feels and I respect him for that. Why can't we call the pope a Nazi when he calls for the destruction of Israel? He is no different from any other Nazi animal and unlike your average Nazi he has the power to help The Jewish People and chooses not to.
It's alright to disagree with JTF, but to promote hatred of Catholics is ridiculous.
Ron is a valued member with great posts and he makes great video's for JTF and Hayamin. We need a Jewish hero like Ron in our movement. He is not a Nazi StørmFrønt troll. He is a wonderful Jew that tells the truth and who isn't politically correct. If someone is evil that speaks out against his people then he defends them.
Alright guys this is getting a little rediculous, please take it to PM. The majority of Catholics are not bad people nor do they follow what the pope teaches, that is primarily the Vatican. I don't agree with the Vatican either but I'd sure be outcasting a lot of good people who support Israel and the Jews if I said the Catholics are my enemies. We have far greater problems than the sect of Christianity some of our members take part of.Agreed.
Alright guys this is getting a little rediculous, please take it to PM. The majority of Catholics are not bad people nor do they follow what the pope teaches, that is primarily the Vatican. I don't agree with the Vatican either but I'd sure be outcasting a lot of good people who support Israel and the Jews if I said the Catholics are my enemies. We have far greater problems than the sect of Christianity some of our members take part of.Agreed.
We can disagree with political decisions by the church without attacking Catholics as individuals.
Great point.Thank you.
WITH THE ON GOING NON STOP CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC BASHING THAT HAS GONE HERE FOR A WHILE.. IF WE KEEP THIS UP WE WILL BE DIVIDED AND THIS HELPS NO ONE.. THERE IS ONE THING TO POINT SOMETHING OUT BUT EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR FAULTS. IF YOU ARE 100% PURE THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ALIVE NOW WOULD YOU.. RON STOP CALLING EVERYONE YOU DISAGREE WITH NAZIS.. AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA. YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO NON STOP BASH EITHER CHRISTIANS, OR CATHOLICS OR WHAT EVER IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE. BY DOING THIS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU BECAME A DISGRUNTLED NUT. YOU KEEP THIS GOING AND PEOPLE WILL TURN AWAY AND THAT IS ONLY HELPING ENEMIES OUT. I AM FED UP OF PEOPLE SAYING EVERY PRIEST OF REV. IS A RAPIST PEDOPHILE, THAT IS COMPLETELY NOT TRUE . YA KNOW RESPECT WORKS ON BOTH WAYS YOU WANT PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOU BUT YOU ARE NOT SHOWING RESPECT TO OTHERS. I AM FAR FROM P.C. BUT YOU CAN'T CONDEMN EVERYONE FOR A HAND FULL RIGHT? CAN I CONDEMN THE JEWISH FAITH OR JEWS IN GENERAL CAUSE WE HAVE LETS SAY A MAYOR IN THIS CITY HE IS JEWISH WHO IS HANDING A CITY WHERE MUSLIMS TO ATTACKED TO MUSLIMS? NO CAUSE THAT IS INSANITY TALK AND YOU GOT YOURSELF INSANITY TALK THERE YOURSELF.. WHO HERE CAN BE HELD WHAT HAPPEN 60 YEARS BACK? I WAS NOT BORN AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE WORST NIGHTMARE TO EVER HAPPENED NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. BUT YOU ARE RUNNING ALL AROUND THIS FORUM CALLING EVERYONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A NAZI AND PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING TOO KIND TO THAT LABELING YOU ARE GIVING OUT.
WITH THE ON GOING NON STOP CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC BASHING THAT HAS GONE HERE FOR A WHILE.. IF WE KEEP THIS UP WE WILL BE DIVIDED AND THIS HELPS NO ONE.. THERE IS ONE THING TO POINT SOMETHING OUT BUT EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR FAULTS. IF YOU ARE 100% PURE THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ALIVE NOW WOULD YOU.. RON STOP CALLING EVERYONE YOU DISAGREE WITH NAZIS.. AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA. YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO NON STOP BASH EITHER CHRISTIANS, OR CATHOLICS OR WHAT EVER IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE. BY DOING THIS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU BECAME A DISGRUNTLED NUT. YOU KEEP THIS GOING AND PEOPLE WILL TURN AWAY AND THAT IS ONLY HELPING ENEMIES OUT. I AM FED UP OF PEOPLE SAYING EVERY PRIEST OF REV. IS A RAPIST PEDOPHILE, THAT IS COMPLETELY NOT TRUE . YA KNOW RESPECT WORKS ON BOTH WAYS YOU WANT PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOU BUT YOU ARE NOT SHOWING RESPECT TO OTHERS. I AM FAR FROM P.C. BUT YOU CAN'T CONDEMN EVERYONE FOR A HAND FULL RIGHT? CAN I CONDEMN THE JEWISH FAITH OR JEWS IN GENERAL CAUSE WE HAVE LETS SAY A MAYOR IN THIS CITY HE IS JEWISH WHO IS HANDING A CITY WHERE MUSLIMS TO ATTACKED TO MUSLIMS? NO CAUSE THAT IS INSANITY TALK AND YOU GOT YOURSELF INSANITY TALK THERE YOURSELF.. WHO HERE CAN BE HELD WHAT HAPPEN 60 YEARS BACK? I WAS NOT BORN AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE WORST NIGHTMARE TO EVER HAPPENED NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. BUT YOU ARE RUNNING ALL AROUND THIS FORUM CALLING EVERYONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A NAZI AND PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING TOO KIND TO THAT LABELING YOU ARE GIVING OUT.
The only reason why Chaim Ben Pesach aka Chaim Ben Yosef aka Victor Vancier tolerates non-Jews on his forum is to get their “donations.” Of course Vancier just uses the donations to pay his rent. He’s unemployed because he’s an ex-con and the only way he can support himself is by being a parasite, which is typical for his blood-sucking race.
Face it, greaseball, he’s using you and all the other goyim. It is a verifiable fact that southern Italians have Arab ancestry and that the mean southern Italian IQ is the same as that of Arabs. Southern Italy would be as poor as any Arab excrement hole if they weren’t leeching off of northern Italy and the rest of Europe. Also, the greatest Italian scientists all came from northern Italy namely Galileo, Da Vicni, Fibonacci, Avogadro, etc. He correctly views you Italians as the disgusting, genetically inferior Arab animals that you are.
WITH THE ON GOING NON STOP CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC BASHING THAT HAS GONE HERE FOR A WHILE.. IF WE KEEP THIS UP WE WILL BE DIVIDED AND THIS HELPS NO ONE.. THERE IS ONE THING TO POINT SOMETHING OUT BUT EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR FAULTS. IF YOU ARE 100% PURE THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ALIVE NOW WOULD YOU.. RON STOP CALLING EVERYONE YOU DISAGREE WITH NAZIS.. AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA. YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO NON STOP BASH EITHER CHRISTIANS, OR CATHOLICS OR WHAT EVER IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE. BY DOING THIS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU BECAME A DISGRUNTLED NUT. YOU KEEP THIS GOING AND PEOPLE WILL TURN AWAY AND THAT IS ONLY HELPING ENEMIES OUT. I AM FED UP OF PEOPLE SAYING EVERY PRIEST OF REV. IS A RAPIST PEDOPHILE, THAT IS COMPLETELY NOT TRUE . YA KNOW RESPECT WORKS ON BOTH WAYS YOU WANT PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOU BUT YOU ARE NOT SHOWING RESPECT TO OTHERS. I AM FAR FROM P.C. BUT YOU CAN'T CONDEMN EVERYONE FOR A HAND FULL RIGHT? CAN I CONDEMN THE JEWISH FAITH OR JEWS IN GENERAL CAUSE WE HAVE LETS SAY A MAYOR IN THIS CITY HE IS JEWISH WHO IS HANDING A CITY WHERE MUSLIMS TO ATTACKED TO MUSLIMS? NO CAUSE THAT IS INSANITY TALK AND YOU GOT YOURSELF INSANITY TALK THERE YOURSELF.. WHO HERE CAN BE HELD WHAT HAPPEN 60 YEARS BACK? I WAS NOT BORN AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE WORST NIGHTMARE TO EVER HAPPENED NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. BUT YOU ARE RUNNING ALL AROUND THIS FORUM CALLING EVERYONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A NAZI AND PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING TOO KIND TO THAT LABELING YOU ARE GIVING OUT.
The only reason why Chaim Ben Pesach aka Chaim Ben Yosef aka Victor Vancier tolerates non-Jews on his forum is to get their “donations.” Of course Vancier just uses the donations to pay his rent. He’s unemployed because he’s an ex-con and the only way he can support himself is by being a parasite, which is typical for his blood-sucking race.
Face it, greaseball, he’s using you and all the other goyim. It is a verifiable fact that southern Italians have Arab ancestry and that the mean southern Italian IQ is the same as that of Arabs. Southern Italy would be as poor as any Arab excrement hole if they weren’t leeching off of northern Italy and the rest of Europe. Also, the greatest Italian scientists all came from northern Italy namely Galileo, Da Vicni, Fibonacci, Avogadro, etc. He correctly views you Italians as the disgusting, genetically inferior Arab animals that you are.
In Shapiro, we have your typical left wing cowardly Jew. Shapiro was a coward yesterday. He is a coward today and he will be a coward tomorrow. He will die a coward.
Who the hell are you you filthy pig?? Another pos from Youtube that trolls itself to this forum from videos... You filthy Muslim pig or are you Ralph or a Stormfaggot which is it you coward. Garbage like you of all will never change the fact the love I have for Israel or my Jewish brothers and sisters regardless a few disagreements.
Who the hell are you you filthy pig?? Another pos from Youtube that trolls itself to this forum from videos... You filthy Muslim pig or are you Ralph or a Stormfaggot which is it you coward. Garbage like you of all will never change the fact the love I have for Israel or my Jewish brothers and sisters regardless a few disagreements.
Some people are just born to be taken advantage of. You're a brainwashed moron. You can continue your blind support for the parasite known as the Jew and you will see how the Jew always stabs it's hosts in the back. Ron, the oven magnet, is just being honest. He's telling you what Vancier thinks but would never say. They think you're lower than dirt and in fact you are. Most Italian Americans are descendants of Southern Italians who have heavily mixed with Arabs.
Who the hell are you you filthy pig?? Another pos from Youtube that trolls itself to this forum from videos... You filthy Muslim pig or are you Ralph or a Stormfaggot which is it you coward. Garbage like you of all will never change the fact the love I have for Israel or my Jewish brothers and sisters regardless a few disagreements.
Some people are just born to be taken advantage of. You're a brainwashed moron. You can continue your blind support for the parasite known as the Jew and you will see how the Jew always stabs it's hosts in the back. Ron, the oven magnet, is just being honest. He's telling you what Vancier thinks but would never say. They think you're lower than dirt and in fact you are. Most Italian Americans are descendants of Southern Italians who have heavily mixed with Arabs.
Hey "Shapiro" you can go suck a n_igg_eR's nose till its head caves in! :P
And you are here cause you really have nothing better to do you leftist low dog? You are a big piece of filth you know that. "Oven magnet" You Nazi Sh**head you you are a scumbag It is people like you that I love to trash the most you dirty low iq liberal muz bastard.. You are a dirty muslim camel jockey yes i said it camel jockey you filthy dirty sand trash .. I make piles in the toilet that is Mohammed and use the Koran to flush you dirty filthy towel headed scum of the earth..At least Ron has the guts to show himself you filthy Muzlim pile of dog crap
Is that what the kids in the streets call it now?? :laugh:
This troll is utterly mindless... I think that its posts should just be deleted and it should be ignored. Eventually it will leave...
This to me is just not true. What situation are you referring to?
pact with Rome against Greece, for example
And don't forget EgyptQuote from: Isaiah 36:6Behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it; so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust on him.
I thought he was speaking about JTF's history.
JTF is not a nation or a country. And we as JTF have not allied with enemy countries or empires. So I really can't see how it's relevant.
Masterwolf, this jerk off has a serious crush on you.
Damn, he follows you all over. Look how he targets you. Who the hell is this creep?
I agree. Thank You.This to me is just not true. What situation are you referring to?
pact with Rome against Greece, for example
And don't forget EgyptQuote from: Isaiah 36:6Behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it; so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust on him.
I thought he was speaking about JTF's history.
JTF is not a nation or a country. And we as JTF have not allied with enemy countries or empires. So I really can't see how it's relevant.
Kahane-Was-Right, thank you for your efforts in this thread and in many other similar type of threads. In my opinion, you represent the type of leadership for the present and future that Chaim is seeking in JTF. The late and great Rabbi Kahane would be very proud of your efforts. You do an excellent job of passionately speaking up for Israel, the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion. At the same time, you appreciate the efforts of the non-Jewish JTF members, making them feel they are an essential part of the movement. Which they are! G-d Bless you and your family!
.......will never change the fact the love I have for Israel or my Jewish brothers and sisters regardless a few disagreements.And this is why I love you, respect you and wish you all the very best in life. And let me add that I just love to see non-Jews here who support us, Israel and the Jewish people. There could never be enough people like you.
Looks like Ralph is back again. And out he goes.
I think Ron should be banned after the filthy attacks against Masterwolf, who is more than a valued member. How is him being called Masterwhore and calling Catholics Nazis helping JTF? He's also promoting bigotry against Italians. I really think Ron is retarded or a troll from StørmFrønt.Ron is a great Jew that tells the truth about how he feels and I respect him for that. Why can't we call the pope a Nazi when he calls for the destruction of Israel? He is no different from any other Nazi animal and unlike your average Nazi he has the power to help The Jewish People and chooses not to.
It's alright to disagree with JTF, but to promote hatred of Catholics is ridiculous.
Ron is a valued member with great posts and he makes great video's for JTF and Hayamin. We need a Jewish hero like Ron in our movement. He is not a Nazi StørmFrønt troll. He is a wonderful Jew that tells the truth and who isn't politically correct. If someone is evil that speaks out against his people then he defends them.QuoteBrian, Brian, Brian.. Truth and plain nastiness that brings division are 2 different things. NOBODY is questioning what he does for the HEBREW forum, but all that he does here, is make people, even OUR people feel like drek. It needs to STOP.
He does do video's for JTF also and makes very intelligent posts that people enjoy. What is so wrong in telling the truth about evil and defending good?QuoteThis young 17 yr old KID should go fight these animals on THEIR turf, instead of being an honorary here- AN HONORARY- and making us look stupid and hateful. Imagine this NASTY KID being an HONORARY! EMBARASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is in Israel fighting the fight in his homeland.QuoteI am blocking u now, I cannot abide your ugliness. What a TERRIBLE representation to love the foreigner and alien gentile. SICK!
So you choose the "foreigner and alien gentile" over your fellow Jew?QuoteAs far as the past with the NAZI pope, it is DUMB to try to make these people who were NOT even the responsible. With this Pope now- I dont know, and furthermore do not care. I know that Masterwolf LOVES my husband & He LOVES Israel & he ADORES Chaim.
Yes Masterwolf is a great member but Ron was only defending himself, as you know everyone is against him yet again.QuoteIt is also a loser left wing, Marxist, radical tactic to try to make Catholics responsible for things that happened 80 plus years ago..
I didn't see where he blamed all Catholics. He called the current Pope a Nazi which he is, so lets stop kidding ourselves here.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
WITH THE ON GOING NON STOP CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC BASHING THAT HAS GONE HERE FOR A WHILE.. IF WE KEEP THIS UP WE WILL BE DIVIDED AND THIS HELPS NO ONE.. THERE IS ONE THING TO POINT SOMETHING OUT BUT EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR FAULTS. IF YOU ARE 100% PURE THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ALIVE NOW WOULD YOU.. RON STOP CALLING EVERYONE YOU DISAGREE WITH NAZIS.. AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA. YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO NON STOP BASH EITHER CHRISTIANS, OR CATHOLICS OR WHAT EVER IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE. BY DOING THIS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU BECAME A DISGRUNTLED NUT. YOU KEEP THIS GOING AND PEOPLE WILL TURN AWAY AND THAT IS ONLY HELPING ENEMIES OUT. I AM FED UP OF PEOPLE SAYING EVERY PRIEST OF REV. IS A RAPIST PEDOPHILE, THAT IS COMPLETELY NOT TRUE . YA KNOW RESPECT WORKS ON BOTH WAYS YOU WANT PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOU BUT YOU ARE NOT SHOWING RESPECT TO OTHERS. I AM FAR FROM P.C. BUT YOU CAN'T CONDEMN EVERYONE FOR A HAND FULL RIGHT? CAN I CONDEMN THE JEWISH FAITH OR JEWS IN GENERAL CAUSE WE HAVE LETS SAY A MAYOR IN THIS CITY HE IS JEWISH WHO IS HANDING A CITY WHERE MUSLIMS TO ATTACKED TO MUSLIMS? NO CAUSE THAT IS INSANITY TALK AND YOU GOT YOURSELF INSANITY TALK THERE YOURSELF.. WHO HERE CAN BE HELD WHAT HAPPEN 60 YEARS BACK? I WAS NOT BORN AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE WORST NIGHTMARE TO EVER HAPPENED NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. BUT YOU ARE RUNNING ALL AROUND THIS FORUM CALLING EVERYONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A NAZI AND PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING TOO KIND TO THAT LABELING YOU ARE GIVING OUT.
The only reason why Chaim Ben Pesach aka Chaim Ben Yosef aka Victor Vancier tolerates non-Jews on his forum is to get their “donations.” Of course Vancier just uses the donations to pay his rent. He’s unemployed because he’s an ex-con and the only way he can support himself is by being a parasite, which is typical for his blood-sucking race.
Face it, greaseball, he’s using you and all the other goyim. It is a verifiable fact that southern Italians have Arab ancestry and that the mean southern Italian IQ is the same as that of Arabs. Southern Italy would be as poor as any Arab excrement hole if they weren’t leeching off of northern Italy and the rest of Europe. Also, the greatest Italian scientists all came from northern Italy namely Galileo, Da Vicni, Fibonacci, Avogadro, etc. He correctly views you Italians as the disgusting, genetically inferior Arab animals that you are.
Ron you know very little about Italy it's history and Genius in the Renaissance.Also it's history of saving Jews in spite of Mussolini even Mussolini wasn't anti Jewish. The Italian Army went out of it's way to save Jews during ww2 pick your article there are many
http://www.google.com/search?q=How+the+Italian+army+saved+Jews&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Yes i have seen that book but how do we explain thisRon you know very little about Italy it's history and Genius in the Renaissance.Also it's history of saving Jews in spite of Mussolini even Mussolini wasn't anti Jewish. The Italian Army went out of it's way to save Jews during ww2 pick your article there are many
http://www.google.com/search?q=How+the+Italian+army+saved+Jews&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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Mord, it is one thing to defend Italians or Italian Americans. But now you are defending Fascist Italy which supported Hitler and the Nazis. You are even defending the Nazi monster Mussolini. To praise the fascist army of Italy is to defend Nazism and to engage in holocaust denial. Mussolini not only supported the extermination of the Jews, he murdered millions of his fellow Italians. Twenty percent of Italian Jewry were murdered, and the figure would be much higher had Italy not been defeated in 1943 before most of the holocaust had taken place. Here is one book that documents some of the anti-Jewish persecution that took place in fascist Italy:
http://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/2939.htm
Yes i have seen that book but how do we explain thisRon you know very little about Italy it's history and Genius in the Renaissance.Also it's history of saving Jews in spite of Mussolini even Mussolini wasn't anti Jewish. The Italian Army went out of it's way to save Jews during ww2 pick your article there are many
http://www.google.com/search?q=How+the+Italian+army+saved+Jews&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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Mord, it is one thing to defend Italians or Italian Americans. But now you are defending Fascist Italy which supported Hitler and the Nazis. You are even defending the Nazi monster Mussolini. To praise the fascist army of Italy is to defend Nazism and to engage in holocaust denial. Mussolini not only supported the extermination of the Jews, he murdered millions of his fellow Italians. Twenty percent of Italian Jewry were murdered, and the figure would be much higher had Italy not been defeated in 1943 before most of the holocaust had taken place. Here is one book that documents some of the anti-Jewish persecution that took place in fascist Italy:
http://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/2939.htm
http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%204803.pdf
Finland also fought against the Russians on Germany's side because Russia invaded Finland yet Finland told Germany it had Jewish soldiers in their Army and that the Finns would not allow Jewish Civilians or Soldiers to be harmed.When you come down to it Britain was just as much of an enemy of the Jews although allies of the U.S. as any other country in Europe.It blocked Jews from going to Israel.The U.S. as well stopped Jews from being allowed into the U.S. except for Scientists.Yes i have seen that book but how do we explain thisRon you know very little about Italy it's history and Genius in the Renaissance.Also it's history of saving Jews in spite of Mussolini even Mussolini wasn't anti Jewish. The Italian Army went out of it's way to save Jews during ww2 pick your article there are many
http://www.google.com/search?q=How+the+Italian+army+saved+Jews&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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Mord, it is one thing to defend Italians or Italian Americans. But now you are defending Fascist Italy which supported Hitler and the Nazis. You are even defending the Nazi monster Mussolini. To praise the fascist army of Italy is to defend Nazism and to engage in holocaust denial. Mussolini not only supported the extermination of the Jews, he murdered millions of his fellow Italians. Twenty percent of Italian Jewry were murdered, and the figure would be much higher had Italy not been defeated in 1943 before most of the holocaust had taken place. Here is one book that documents some of the anti-Jewish persecution that took place in fascist Italy:
http://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/2939.htm
http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%204803.pdf
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Mord, Mussolini and Fascist Italy wanted Nazi Germany to win the war. Fascist Italy fought with Nazi Germany in many countries on several fronts. How can you defend supporters of Hitler and the Nazis, who assisted Germany during the holocaust?
Finland also fought against the Russians on Germany's side because Russia invaded Finland yet Finland told Germany it had Jewish soldiers in their Army and that the Finns would not allow Jewish Civilians or Soldiers to be harmed.When you come down to it Britain was just as much of an enemy of the Jews although allies of the U.S. as any other country in Europe.It blocked Jews from going to Israel.The U.S. as well stopped Jews from being allowed into the U.S. except for Scientists.Yes i have seen that book but how do we explain thisRon you know very little about Italy it's history and Genius in the Renaissance.Also it's history of saving Jews in spite of Mussolini even Mussolini wasn't anti Jewish. The Italian Army went out of it's way to save Jews during ww2 pick your article there are many
http://www.google.com/search?q=How+the+Italian+army+saved+Jews&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
בס''ד
Mord, it is one thing to defend Italians or Italian Americans. But now you are defending Fascist Italy which supported Hitler and the Nazis. You are even defending the Nazi monster Mussolini. To praise the fascist army of Italy is to defend Nazism and to engage in holocaust denial. Mussolini not only supported the extermination of the Jews, he murdered millions of his fellow Italians. Twenty percent of Italian Jewry were murdered, and the figure would be much higher had Italy not been defeated in 1943 before most of the holocaust had taken place. Here is one book that documents some of the anti-Jewish persecution that took place in fascist Italy:
http://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/2939.htm
http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%204803.pdf
בס''ד
Mord, Mussolini and Fascist Italy wanted Nazi Germany to win the war. Fascist Italy fought with Nazi Germany in many countries on several fronts. How can you defend supporters of Hitler and the Nazis, who assisted Germany during the holocaust?
You're right but it happenedFinland also fought against the Russians on Germany's side because Russia invaded Finland yet Finland told Germany it had Jewish soldiers in their Army and that the Finns would not allow Jewish Civilians or Soldiers to be harmed.When you come down to it Britain was just as much of an enemy of the Jews although allies of the U.S. as any other country in Europe.It blocked Jews from going to Israel.The U.S. as well stopped Jews from being allowed into the U.S. except for Scientists.Yes i have seen that book but how do we explain thisRon you know very little about Italy it's history and Genius in the Renaissance.Also it's history of saving Jews in spite of Mussolini even Mussolini wasn't anti Jewish. The Italian Army went out of it's way to save Jews during ww2 pick your article there are many
http://www.google.com/search?q=How+the+Italian+army+saved+Jews&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
בס''ד
Mord, it is one thing to defend Italians or Italian Americans. But now you are defending Fascist Italy which supported Hitler and the Nazis. You are even defending the Nazi monster Mussolini. To praise the fascist army of Italy is to defend Nazism and to engage in holocaust denial. Mussolini not only supported the extermination of the Jews, he murdered millions of his fellow Italians. Twenty percent of Italian Jewry were murdered, and the figure would be much higher had Italy not been defeated in 1943 before most of the holocaust had taken place. Here is one book that documents some of the anti-Jewish persecution that took place in fascist Italy:
http://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/2939.htm
http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%204803.pdf
בס''ד
Mord, Mussolini and Fascist Italy wanted Nazi Germany to win the war. Fascist Italy fought with Nazi Germany in many countries on several fronts. How can you defend supporters of Hitler and the Nazis, who assisted Germany during the holocaust?
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Any Jew who fought in the Finn army had to be a sick traitor.
Any army that supported Hitler and/or fought on the side of Hitler committed an unforgivable crime.
True.
Perhaps Ron is just a way to help us Christians get toughened up a bit, cuz it's only gonna get alot worse.
We do love you, Ron.
True.
Perhaps Ron is just a way to help us Christians get toughened up a bit, cuz it's only gonna get alot worse.
We do love you, Ron.
I don't hate Ron but I certainly hate his nasty attitude.
Irish Zionist, how can you be friends with someone who hates Christians? Are you a self-hating Christian?
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
No offense Muman, but I resent this statement, that I find surprisingly anti-Jewish by the way : no, the horrible crimes committed by people who claimed to represent catholicism although they were acting in contradiction with what Jesus taught, must NOT be forgiven.
This does not mean that I resent Catholics in general for what some of them did in the past. Personally, if it wasn't for a Catholic priest, I wouldn't be alive today. My grandfather was hidden and cared for by a Catholic priest during WWII. So I know what "righteous Gentile" means and I have the highest respect for righteous Gentiles.
בס''דChaim, I agree with essentially everything Ron says on non-Christian issues, and I have urged people to see the best in him and remember his youth and different background than us, but he was was completely out of control and something needs to be done about it.
Since I strongly criticized Ron for his comments, I think in fairness I should tell our members here why Ron is so popular on the Hebrew forum.
Ron devotes hours every day to promoting our movement in Israel:
1. Ron is the most active member of the Hebrew forum. His posts and articles are brilliantly composed especially when he writes in his native language Hebrew.
2. Ron helps us by creating videos and by disseminating our over 1500 Hebrew videos on zootube and flix. Many thousands of Israeli Jews are exposed to our message thanks to Ron. His videos have thousands of views.
3. Ron does an Ask JTF program in Hebrew and it is outstanding.
4. Ron is an active member of the Jerusalem chapter of HaYamin HaAmiti (JTF in Israel).
5. Ron and his friends defend our movement and the Kahanist ideology everywhere - on MSN, on Skype, on the internet, on other Israeli forums etc.
I disagree with what Ron writes sometimes on the English forum, but in Israel he truly is a hero.
Mord, Mussolini and Fascist Italy wanted Nazi Germany to win the war. Fascist Italy fought with Nazi Germany in many countries on several fronts. How can you defend supporters of Hitler and the Nazis, who assisted Germany during the holocaust?You are absolutely correct but I think it's worth pointing out that Italy's participation in fascism as a nation was much more halfhearted than the other Axis. Mussolini was not democratically elected in a landslide like Adolf Hitler; he bamboozled the Italian king into appointing him dictator. Any historian will point out the very mediocre performance of the Italian army in WWII--that doesn't mean that what they did was okay, but it does show that they were quite a bit less committed to their Nazi leaders than German, Japanese, Croat, or Ukrainian soldiers were. They gave up in 1943, and from there on out Mussolini was incapable of ruling any Italians--he needed the Germans to give him a small puppet state that they themselves controlled. In the end, he was torn limb from limb by his own people.
Finland also fought against the Russians on Germany's side because Russia invaded Finland yet Finland told Germany it had Jewish soldiers in their Army and that the Finns would not allow Jewish Civilians or Soldiers to be harmed.When you come down to it Britain was just as much of an enemy of the Jews although allies of the U.S. as any other country in Europe.It blocked Jews from going to Israel.The U.S. as well stopped Jews from being allowed into the U.S. except for Scientists.Finland was probably the least anti-Semitic of the Axis but I remember that there was at least one big Finnish general who handed over the names of all Jewish Finns to the Germans, or at least tried to. I think the only reason the Final Solution never came to Finland was because the Germans were so severely overstretched by that time of the war and the Finns were very busy fighting the Russians too.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
No offense Muman, but I resent this statement, that I find surprisingly anti-Jewish by the way : no, the horrible crimes committed by people who claimed to represent catholicism although they were acting in contradiction with what Jesus taught, must NOT be forgiven.
This does not mean that I resent Catholics in general for what some of them did in the past. Personally, if it wasn't for a Catholic priest, I wouldn't be alive today. My grandfather was hidden and cared for by a Catholic priest during WWII. So I know what "righteous Gentile" means and I have the highest respect for righteous Gentiles.
There is nothing anti-Jewish in what I said. I said that the Church needs to ask for our forgiveness, apologize for its evil ways, and remove the offensive sections which inspired so much anti-semitism. I have seen that the NT is full of anti-semitic contents. The Jews are called sons of devils, amongst other things. When I was young I had a school-mate who told me because I was Jewish I was going to hell, my mom was told that she had horns when she was a child... The antisemitism which is in the NT is disgusting...
As long as the church teaches the NT to its congregants there will be continued antisemitism.
I think this is not anti-Jewish, it is standing up for the Jewish people against the taught antisemitism of christianity..
I don't know what you are talking about, Muman.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
No offense Muman, but I resent this statement, that I find surprisingly anti-Jewish by the way : no, the horrible crimes committed by people who claimed to represent catholicism although they were acting in contradiction with what Jesus taught, must NOT be forgiven.
This does not mean that I resent Catholics in general for what some of them did in the past. Personally, if it wasn't for a Catholic priest, I wouldn't be alive today. My grandfather was hidden and cared for by a Catholic priest during WWII. So I know what "righteous Gentile" means and I have the highest respect for righteous Gentiles.
There is nothing anti-Jewish in what I said. I said that the Church needs to ask for our forgiveness, apologize for its evil ways, and remove the offensive sections which inspired so much anti-semitism. I have seen that the NT is full of anti-semitic contents. The Jews are called sons of devils, amongst other things. When I was young I had a school-mate who told me because I was Jewish I was going to hell, my mom was told that she had horns when she was a child... The antisemitism which is in the NT is disgusting...
As long as the church teaches the NT to its congregants there will be continued antisemitism.
I think this is not anti-Jewish, it is standing up for the Jewish people against the taught antisemitism of christianity..
Christianity is not compatible with Judaism. It is considered a foreign worship by Jews. There is no way that we will agree about the nature of G-d, the mission of the Jewish nation, and the covenant which exists to this day between Hashem and his people..
The only reason we are working together is that christians have a slightly different idea of the end of days than the Jewish people. We both agree that the Jews must be in Israel...
I don't know what you are talking about, Muman.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
No offense Muman, but I resent this statement, that I find surprisingly anti-Jewish by the way : no, the horrible crimes committed by people who claimed to represent catholicism although they were acting in contradiction with what Jesus taught, must NOT be forgiven.
This does not mean that I resent Catholics in general for what some of them did in the past. Personally, if it wasn't for a Catholic priest, I wouldn't be alive today. My grandfather was hidden and cared for by a Catholic priest during WWII. So I know what "righteous Gentile" means and I have the highest respect for righteous Gentiles.
There is nothing anti-Jewish in what I said. I said that the Church needs to ask for our forgiveness, apologize for its evil ways, and remove the offensive sections which inspired so much anti-semitism. I have seen that the NT is full of anti-semitic contents. The Jews are called sons of devils, amongst other things. When I was young I had a school-mate who told me because I was Jewish I was going to hell, my mom was told that she had horns when she was a child... The antisemitism which is in the NT is disgusting...
As long as the church teaches the NT to its congregants there will be continued antisemitism.
I think this is not anti-Jewish, it is standing up for the Jewish people against the taught antisemitism of christianity..
I went to 8 years of Catholic school. I never heard that Jews were going to hell and that they have horns. :o Stop spreading this disinformation.
My wonderful parents are the main reasons why I love the Jewish people and I am very pro Israel. Still, the church did nothing to diminish my respect for the Jewish faith.
You make a very good effort at it though.
See - that is why I can take Ron. He doesn't pretend to be 'tolerant'...then come up with this divisive garbage.
Most Italian Catholics I know get along very well with Jewish people. We have strong family and religious values in common.
>:(
Yes Masterwolf is a great member but Ron was only defending himself, as you know everyone is against him yet again.
I will use this quote...[ and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan] when i'm amongst reformed 'deformed Jews as well as anti Israel JewsIt is entirely possible that the Apostle John was referring to an ancient equivalent of Deform Jews when he wrote that.
Dick silverstein ancestorsI will use this quote...[ and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan] when i'm amongst reformed 'deformed Jews as well as anti Israel JewsIt is entirely possible that the Apostle John was referring to an ancient equivalent of Deform Jews when he wrote that.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
No offense Muman, but I resent this statement, that I find surprisingly anti-Jewish by the way : no, the horrible crimes committed by people who claimed to represent catholicism although they were acting in contradiction with what Jesus taught, must NOT be forgiven.
This does not mean that I resent Catholics in general for what some of them did in the past. Personally, if it wasn't for a Catholic priest, I wouldn't be alive today. My grandfather was hidden and cared for by a Catholic priest during WWII. So I know what "righteous Gentile" means and I have the highest respect for righteous Gentiles.
There is nothing anti-Jewish in what I said. I said that the Church needs to ask for our forgiveness, apologize for its evil ways, and remove the offensive sections which inspired so much anti-semitism. I have seen that the NT is full of anti-semitic contents. The Jews are called sons of devils, amongst other things. When I was young I had a school-mate who told me because I was Jewish I was going to hell, my mom was told that she had horns when she was a child... The antisemitism which is in the NT is disgusting...
As long as the church teaches the NT to its congregants there will be continued antisemitism.
I think this is not anti-Jewish, it is standing up for the Jewish people against the taught antisemitism of christianity..
Yes Masterwolf is a great member but Ron was only defending himself, as you know everyone is against him yet again.
Bryan, I am not "against Ron."
That said, I am against anti-Italian slurs - I don't think they have a place on this forum - and I don't think it's called for to lash out against people personally if there's a disagreement about something unless they personally express nazi or nazi-like views. I think it gets excessive to ascribe these views to people based on their ethnicity, if they never expressed the view themself.
There are loads of antisemites out there, I see them in facebook all the time. Western antisemites - american, british, all kinds. And they say really disgusting things in favor of their pet-Arabs and "Palestine" against Jews, commenting on my friends' walls and posts. The people here can't be blamed for spouting those views if the people here don't spout them! Certainly I think all JTF'ers would strongly disagree with views like the ones I'm referring to, when I see those comments in facebook. It's not fair to imply that secretly or otherwise, the JTF'ers really hold those views. Unless some individual person exhibits that demonstrably, that is an insane accusation.
If you say Ron was saying things in self defense, then you can make the same argument for Masterwolf saying things for himself and we get nowhere.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
No offense Muman, but I resent this statement, that I find surprisingly anti-Jewish by the way : no, the horrible crimes committed by people who claimed to represent catholicism although they were acting in contradiction with what Jesus taught, must NOT be forgiven.
This does not mean that I resent Catholics in general for what some of them did in the past. Personally, if it wasn't for a Catholic priest, I wouldn't be alive today. My grandfather was hidden and cared for by a Catholic priest during WWII. So I know what "righteous Gentile" means and I have the highest respect for righteous Gentiles.
There is nothing anti-Jewish in what I said. I said that the Church needs to ask for our forgiveness, apologize for its evil ways, and remove the offensive sections which inspired so much anti-semitism. I have seen that the NT is full of anti-semitic contents. The Jews are called sons of devils, amongst other things. When I was young I had a school-mate who told me because I was Jewish I was going to hell, my mom was told that she had horns when she was a child... The antisemitism which is in the NT is disgusting...
As long as the church teaches the NT to its congregants there will be continued antisemitism.
I think this is not anti-Jewish, it is standing up for the Jewish people against the taught antisemitism of christianity..
All right, I misunderstood what you wrote. I agree with what you write here. By the way, here is another anecdote similar to those you tell : due to complicated circumstances, my mother had to spend one year at a catholic school when she was fourteen; no other girl would talk to her or invite her; she was told that she was guilty of the murder of Jesus... The teachers did try to lecture the girls but that did not make much difference.
Another anecdote. Last summer, I visited a church in France. There was an exhibition inside the church about recent history : Arafat was presented as a hero ! No mention was made of all the wars and terror initiated by the Arabs against tiny Israel. But, in big bold characters, you could read that the Jews had massacred Arabs in 1994 (a reference to Baruch Goldstein) !
I am not saying that these examples are representative of all catholic attitudes. But our dear Catholic friends from JTF must keep in mind that antisemitism is certainly not dead within the Catholic church.
bullcat3: "Ron's misplaced hatred, against Christian members here, seems insignificant in the grand scheme of things. "
There are only two ancient civilizations today which have survived to the present day: the Jews and the Chinese.
Both have done so maintaining a continuous history and culture, and both have arrived at the present time with their national languages still intact.
We Jews should learn a lesson from the Chinese which they've known for quite some time:
Only history decides and judges the significance of leadership and government 'in the great scheme of things'.
The work of Chaim and JTF may well come to be viewed as a mere footnote in future written histories, one marked with the briefest of mentions as to how errors in judgment combined with organizational missteps, resulting in the complete failure of a movement founded on Jewish values.
Muman, can you address my previous post on this page? You posted this long message board post that has so much nonsense on it that has nothing to do with supposed Christian NT anti-semitism.
As for this statement:
"and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
This refers to condemning the pharisees who were in league with Rome.
Yes Masterwolf is a great member but Ron was only defending himself, as you know everyone is against him yet again.
Bryan, I am not "against Ron."
That said, I am against anti-Italian slurs - I don't think they have a place on this forum - and I don't think it's called for to lash out against people personally if there's a disagreement about something unless they personally express nazi or nazi-like views. I think it gets excessive to ascribe these views to people based on their ethnicity, if they never expressed the view themself.
There are loads of antisemites out there, I see them in facebook all the time. Western antisemites - american, british, all kinds. And they say really disgusting things in favor of their pet-Arabs and "Palestine" against Jews, commenting on my friends' walls and posts. The people here can't be blamed for spouting those views if the people here don't spout them! Certainly I think all JTF'ers would strongly disagree with views like the ones I'm referring to, when I see those comments in facebook. It's not fair to imply that secretly or otherwise, the JTF'ers really hold those views. Unless some individual person exhibits that demonstrably, that is an insane accusation.
If you say Ron was saying things in self defense, then you can make the same argument for Masterwolf saying things for himself and we get nowhere.
Most western Anti Semites, such as Americans and British aren't even religious believers period. Many are leftists, many are Atheist and yet have the urge to suck up to the Arab Muslim cockroaches. I have confronted many of them and then the go in a full anti religion mode. True Christians (By the way Catholics are a denomination of Christianity, so we too like other denominations are under the umbrella of Christianity) Do know the true beliefs that Israel is the light of our salvation that is in our teachings. Western Anti Semites bash the Jews like the bash the Christians.
Historically, wasn't Jesus a Pharisee?Yes, and so was Paul, etc.
Also, it's not historically correct that the Pharisees were in league with the Romans. The Romans murdered many Pharisee rabbis including the greatest Rabbi of the Oral law - Rabbi Akiva. They murdered him for teaching Torah publically to Jews. (Judaism is based entirely on the teachings of the "Pharisees" who continued the tradition of the Prophets and Men of the Great Assembly before them). So if that's an alliance with Rome, what kind of alliance is that?
I think the historical Pharisee, Sadducee thing is getting confused.
Muman, can you address my previous post on this page? You posted this long message board post that has so much nonsense on it that has nothing to do with supposed Christian NT anti-semitism.
As for this statement:
"and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
This refers to condemning the pharisees who were in league with Rome.
Historically, wasn't Jesus a Pharisee?
Also, it's not historically correct that the Pharisees were in league with the Romans. The Romans murdered many Pharisee rabbis including the greatest Rabbi of the Oral law - Rabbi Akiva. They murdered him for teaching Torah publically to Jews. (Judaism is based entirely on the teachings of the "Pharisees" who continued the tradition of the Prophets and Men of the Great Assembly before them). So if that's an alliance with Rome, what kind of alliance is that?
I think the historical Pharisee, Sadducee thing is getting confused.
It is documented historical fact that Jews at times in the Roman empire had special treatment from the Roman authorities. We can obviously agree/disagree on theology.Obviously that didn't last long as history shows.
Right, no question about that. I did alter my comment slightly to make it more clear that I was referring to that as well.Muman, can you address my previous post on this page? You posted this long message board post that has so much nonsense on it that has nothing to do with supposed Christian NT anti-semitism.
As for this statement:
"and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
This refers to condemning the pharisees who were in league with Rome.
Historically, wasn't Jesus a Pharisee?
Also, it's not historically correct that the Pharisees were in league with the Romans. The Romans murdered many Pharisee rabbis including the greatest Rabbi of the Oral law - Rabbi Akiva. They murdered him for teaching Torah publically to Jews. (Judaism is based entirely on the teachings of the "Pharisees" who continued the tradition of the Prophets and Men of the Great Assembly before them). So if that's an alliance with Rome, what kind of alliance is that?
I think the historical Pharisee, Sadducee thing is getting confused.
Obviously he split from the Jewish religious leadership of his day.
Jesus referred to the pharisees in Smyrna when he made that statement. This is why it can't be viewed as a condemnation of all Jews or even all Pharisees. It was a condemnation of the religioous establishment there who the Christians felt were betraying their Jewish followers by being in league with Rome. It is documented historical fact that Jews at times in the Roman empire had special treatment from the Roman authorities. We can obviously agree/disagree on theology.
Jesus was not a Pharisee, he was a carpenter, HUGE difference. The Pharisee's were the religious leaders in the community...Jesus was anti Pharisee if you remember correctly. Judas was friend's with the Pharisee's, yes Paul, was a Pharisee, he was Saul when he was on the board, until he had his conversion on the road to damascus.Uggh.
what?Being a Pharisee had nothing to do with your employment. It meant belonging to a specific school of philosophy in Judaism.
uggggh, about what? show me where he sat on the board, he didn't, he was a carpenter.
I don't know what you are talking about, Muman.
Let us just agree that the church has a history which needs to be forgiven.
No offense Muman, but I resent this statement, that I find surprisingly anti-Jewish by the way : no, the horrible crimes committed by people who claimed to represent catholicism although they were acting in contradiction with what Jesus taught, must NOT be forgiven.
This does not mean that I resent Catholics in general for what some of them did in the past. Personally, if it wasn't for a Catholic priest, I wouldn't be alive today. My grandfather was hidden and cared for by a Catholic priest during WWII. So I know what "righteous Gentile" means and I have the highest respect for righteous Gentiles.
There is nothing anti-Jewish in what I said. I said that the Church needs to ask for our forgiveness, apologize for its evil ways, and remove the offensive sections which inspired so much anti-semitism. I have seen that the NT is full of anti-semitic contents. The Jews are called sons of devils, amongst other things. When I was young I had a school-mate who told me because I was Jewish I was going to hell, my mom was told that she had horns when she was a child... The antisemitism which is in the NT is disgusting...
As long as the church teaches the NT to its congregants there will be continued antisemitism.
I think this is not anti-Jewish, it is standing up for the Jewish people against the taught antisemitism of christianity..
I went to 8 years of Catholic school. I never heard that Jews were going to hell and that they have horns. :o Stop spreading this disinformation.
My wonderful parents are the main reasons why I love the Jewish people and I am very pro Israel. Still, the church did nothing to diminish my respect for the Jewish faith.
You make a very good effort at it though.
See - that is why I can take Ron. He doesn't pretend to be 'tolerant'...then come up with this divisive garbage.
Most Italian Catholics I know get along very well with Jewish people. We have strong family and religious values in common.
>:(
Kahane, both Julius and Augustus Caesar allowed the Jews to practice Judaism and synagogues enjoyed special status where they could request taxation from Jews for upkeep.
Jews in Judaea were allowed the same treatment for the most part.Same treatment as what? As other conquered groups? I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.
what?Being a Pharisee had nothing to do with your employment. It meant belonging to a specific school of philosophy in Judaism.
uggggh, about what? show me where he sat on the board, he didn't, he was a carpenter.
I don't think he was a Sadducee advocate or adherent, but maybe I'm wrong.No, the Sadducees were the Deform Jews of the era if I understand correctly, they denied the literality of Torah and Jesus very much opposed them.
Both Christians and Jews were treated poorly in Ancient Rome, but any historian knows that the Jews were treated slightly better, simply because the ancient Romans had more respect for older religions or idiologies and they truly saw Christianity as a threat. But at any rate, Im not sure why this is all relevant.
Kahane, both Julius and Augustus Caesar allowed the Jews to practice Judaism and synagogues enjoyed special status where they could request taxation from Jews for upkeep.
How benevolent of them! Do realize that before foreign occupation showed up, Jews practiced in their synagogues freely because that is the Jewish culture and the normal situation under Jewish self-rule (long before Christians even existed yet).
Wow, and they even gave us the privilege to be taxed! What the...
But there's something obviously incorrect about your "history."
Gaius Julius Caesar (13 July 100 B.C.E. – 15 March 44 B.C.E.)
Something obviously doesn't add up here. Are you claiming there were Christians before Jesus lived?
Btw, if they tried to torch all synagogues to the ground, there would have been open revolt, which the Romans did NOT want and did not have the resources for (or at least not willing to devote them to that). And indeed, when things got more hostile and they burnt down the Temple, there was an open revolt!QuoteJews in Judaea were allowed the same treatment for the most part.Same treatment as what? As other conquered groups? I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.
France? The French always thought they were also high and mighty over anybody else.. They look down on their noses to this country and if it wasn't for the United States. France's main language would of been German. The French had a history of sucking up to the Muslims, now they got their hands full with the Muslims but maybe that is how the schools in France is like or the Church,, but in this country no not at all.. I would challenge people like that in my own faith. People confuse the actual teachings to what they make up in their own brains on how to think or say and it has nothing to do with the teachings. Our teachings are told to love our neighbors the way you want them to love you. With the French if you are bringing them up that is not the teaching that is France being it's usual arrogant France.
WITH THE ON GOING NON STOP CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC BASHING THAT HAS GONE HERE FOR A WHILE.. IF WE KEEP THIS UP WE WILL BE DIVIDED AND THIS HELPS NO ONE.. THERE IS ONE THING TO POINT SOMETHING OUT BUT EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR FAULTS. IF YOU ARE 100% PURE THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ALIVE NOW WOULD YOU.. RON STOP CALLING EVERYONE YOU DISAGREE WITH NAZIS.. AND YES I AM CATHOLIC ARE YOU GOING TO REFER TO ME AS A NAZI? THAT WILL BE A GIANT MISTAKE ON YOUR PART BUBBA. YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO NON STOP BASH EITHER CHRISTIANS, OR CATHOLICS OR WHAT EVER IS HAPPENING IN EUROPE. BY DOING THIS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU BECAME A DISGRUNTLED NUT. YOU KEEP THIS GOING AND PEOPLE WILL TURN AWAY AND THAT IS ONLY HELPING ENEMIES OUT. I AM FED UP OF PEOPLE SAYING EVERY PRIEST OF REV. IS A RAPIST PEDOPHILE, THAT IS COMPLETELY NOT TRUE . YA KNOW RESPECT WORKS ON BOTH WAYS YOU WANT PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOU BUT YOU ARE NOT SHOWING RESPECT TO OTHERS. I AM FAR FROM P.C. BUT YOU CAN'T CONDEMN EVERYONE FOR A HAND FULL RIGHT? CAN I CONDEMN THE JEWISH FAITH OR JEWS IN GENERAL CAUSE WE HAVE LETS SAY A MAYOR IN THIS CITY HE IS JEWISH WHO IS HANDING A CITY WHERE MUSLIMS TO ATTACKED TO MUSLIMS? NO CAUSE THAT IS INSANITY TALK AND YOU GOT YOURSELF INSANITY TALK THERE YOURSELF.. WHO HERE CAN BE HELD WHAT HAPPEN 60 YEARS BACK? I WAS NOT BORN AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE WORST NIGHTMARE TO EVER HAPPENED NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. BUT YOU ARE RUNNING ALL AROUND THIS FORUM CALLING EVERYONE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH A NAZI AND PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING TOO KIND TO THAT LABELING YOU ARE GIVING OUT.I think JTF has a rather liberal policy regarding freedom of speech. One thing that shouldn't be here is personal attacks, and Masterwolf, honestly, I think your post was a little personal provocation directed at Ron. And moreover unless I'm mistakes, you accuse Ron of saying things he hadn't said about priest and catholics. Yea he said some offensive things about ALL Christians and Christianity but I actually don't thing he said stuff like "all priest are pedophiles".
Historically, wasn't Jesus a Pharisee?Yes, and so was Paul, etc.
Also, it's not historically correct that the Pharisees were in league with the Romans. The Romans murdered many Pharisee rabbis including the greatest Rabbi of the Oral law - Rabbi Akiva. They murdered him for teaching Torah publically to Jews. (Judaism is based entirely on the teachings of the "Pharisees" who continued the tradition of the Prophets and Men of the Great Assembly before them). So if that's an alliance with Rome, what kind of alliance is that?
I think the historical Pharisee, Sadducee thing is getting confused.
The NT is not referring to all members of the Pharisaical branch, just those who directly opposed Jesus' teachings.
Muman, I rebutted your proofs that the NT is anti-semitic with passages from the NT itself. Could you address them? I'm sure the Christians on this board agree that the NT is not anti-semitic and that you are incorrect. You seem to view the contents of the NT and the teachings of Jesus as a threat to Judaism in itself. Almost to a point that you don't think anyone should believe it.
We don't view Judaism as a threat to our faith and you shouldn't view Christianity as a threat to yours. My faith forbids me from attacking yours or attempting to convert you, despite what's been done in the past.
Historically, wasn't Jesus a Pharisee?Yes, and so was Paul, etc.
Also, it's not historically correct that the Pharisees were in league with the Romans. The Romans murdered many Pharisee rabbis including the greatest Rabbi of the Oral law - Rabbi Akiva. They murdered him for teaching Torah publically to Jews. (Judaism is based entirely on the teachings of the "Pharisees" who continued the tradition of the Prophets and Men of the Great Assembly before them). So if that's an alliance with Rome, what kind of alliance is that?
I think the historical Pharisee, Sadducee thing is getting confused.
The NT is not referring to all members of the Pharisaical branch, just those who directly opposed Jesus' teachings.
But WE DO oppose Jesus's teachings to this day... And it is not likely to change...
Re: "If, on the other hand, you are merely criticizing JTF as a whole without offering any solutions or any real way to improve it, I must say it appears a bit empty. It's easy for a person to say, "you should have done better." or "I would do better if I was in charge." It's much harder to say, "this is how things could be better if you did x, y, and z" and actually give ideas that you think would improve the situation. I really hope it's the former and not the latter. If so please share your ideas for improving JTF, with Chaim and/or with all of us. ":o Must be tough for the brilliants to be around cognitive disorder members. :disease:
My ideas about JTF have long ago been known and long ago been shared.
Cognitive disassociative disorder in one or more forum posters is just one of the reasons that this forum doesn't need trolls in order to to remain constantly and regularly disrupted.
The most serious disruptions here on the forum are created not by nazi or muzzie trolls, but exist because of members who perceive non-existent or implied "threats" to their social standing, ranking, prestige, or emotional well being, whenever they encounter stimuli in the form of messages written or spoken by another forum member.
Some people can not read a simple sentence or converse with other individuals without "scrambling" inside their own minds the ideas or messages being transmitted to them, "believing" that they are being challenged or insulted, and then emotionally and illogically overreacting to what is in fact a neutral, if not benign communication.
Inside the minds of these type individuals, normal human thought processes have been replaced by a pre-recorded "loop" of self-deprecating negative messages which play over and over again, whenever stimulated by a written or oral communication.
Whether or not it's "genetic" in origin, it is a serious learning disorder.
Kahane, both Julius and Augustus Caesar allowed the Jews to practice Judaism and synagogues enjoyed special status where they could request taxation from Jews for upkeep.
How benevolent of them! Do realize that before foreign occupation showed up, Jews practiced in their synagogues freely because that is the Jewish culture and the normal situation under Jewish self-rule (long before Christians even existed yet).
Wow, and they even gave us the privilege to be taxed! What the...
But there's something obviously incorrect about your "history."
Gaius Julius Caesar (13 July 100 B.C.E. – 15 March 44 B.C.E.)
Something obviously doesn't add up here. Are you claiming there were Christians before Jesus lived?
Btw, if they tried to torch all synagogues to the ground, there would have been open revolt, which the Romans did NOT want and did not have the resources for (or at least not willing to devote them to that). And indeed, when things got more hostile and they burnt down the Temple, there was an open revolt!QuoteJews in Judaea were allowed the same treatment for the most part.Same treatment as what? As other conquered groups? I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.
You misunderstand the first point. The Jewish synagogues were able to tax their own people and keep the profits for temple upkeep and such, whereas other religions of the time under Roman rule had to give the tax to Rome.
I don't see how my timeline is off. Rome conquered Judaea in 63 B.C.E., which falls during the reign of Gaius Julius Caesar(100-43). This has nothing to do with Christians and simply to do with the beginning of Jews under Roman rule. It merely shows that Jews observed some sort of special treatment.
The point is, at the beginning of Roman rule the Jews were treated better than other groups. This was obviously to maintain peace as opposed to any Roman benevolence for Jews.
Re: "If, on the other hand, you are merely criticizing JTF as a whole without offering any solutions or any real way to improve it, I must say it appears a bit empty. It's easy for a person to say, "you should have done better." or "I would do better if I was in charge." It's much harder to say, "this is how things could be better if you did x, y, and z" and actually give ideas that you think would improve the situation. I really hope it's the former and not the latter. If so please share your ideas for improving JTF, with Chaim and/or with all of us. ":o Must be tough for the brilliants to be around cognitive disorder members. :disease:
My ideas about JTF have long ago been known and long ago been shared.
Cognitive disassociative disorder in one or more forum posters is just one of the reasons that this forum doesn't need trolls in order to to remain constantly and regularly disrupted.
The most serious disruptions here on the forum are created not by nazi or muzzie trolls, but exist because of members who perceive non-existent or implied "threats" to their social standing, ranking, prestige, or emotional well being, whenever they encounter stimuli in the form of messages written or spoken by another forum member.
Some people can not read a simple sentence or converse with other individuals without "scrambling" inside their own minds the ideas or messages being transmitted to them, "believing" that they are being challenged or insulted, and then emotionally and illogically overreacting to what is in fact a neutral, if not benign communication.
Inside the minds of these type individuals, normal human thought processes have been replaced by a pre-recorded "loop" of self-deprecating negative messages which play over and over again, whenever stimulated by a written or oral communication.
Whether or not it's "genetic" in origin, it is a serious learning disorder.
Re: "If, on the other hand, you are merely criticizing JTF as a whole without offering any solutions or any real way to improve it, I must say it appears a bit empty. It's easy for a person to say, "you should have done better." or "I would do better if I was in charge." It's much harder to say, "this is how things could be better if you did x, y, and z" and actually give ideas that you think would improve the situation. I really hope it's the former and not the latter. If so please share your ideas for improving JTF, with Chaim and/or with all of us. ":o Must be tough for the brilliants to be around cognitive disorder members. :disease:
My ideas about JTF have long ago been known and long ago been shared.
Cognitive disassociative disorder in one or more forum posters is just one of the reasons that this forum doesn't need trolls in order to to remain constantly and regularly disrupted.
The most serious disruptions here on the forum are created not by nazi or muzzie trolls, but exist because of members who perceive non-existent or implied "threats" to their social standing, ranking, prestige, or emotional well being, whenever they encounter stimuli in the form of messages written or spoken by another forum member.
Some people can not read a simple sentence or converse with other individuals without "scrambling" inside their own minds the ideas or messages being transmitted to them, "believing" that they are being challenged or insulted, and then emotionally and illogically overreacting to what is in fact a neutral, if not benign communication.
Inside the minds of these type individuals, normal human thought processes have been replaced by a pre-recorded "loop" of self-deprecating negative messages which play over and over again, whenever stimulated by a written or oral communication.
Whether or not it's "genetic" in origin, it is a serious learning disorder.
This refers to condemning the pharisees who were in league with Rome. The pharisees of the time worked with Rome to achieve special status where they didn't have to pay taxes or do military service. Jews were exempt from supporting the official Roman religion while Christians were persecuted for refusing to pay taxes or serving.
Coon, I think this website houses a lot of what Muman is speaking of what he sees in the NT. To me it is mystifying, to say the least. I tried to copy and paste the text but due to some tables/charts that did not copy/paste well the original link may be easier to read and comprehend.Ari, I like and respect you a lot as a great JTFer but what you and many others are failing to put into historical context is the fact that all of these passages took place in an exclusively Jewish environment. This was an in-house feud amongst Jews (Jews who believed Jesus was the Maschiach vs. those who did not). Gentiles were not in the picture whatsoever yet when these passages were written, and "Christianity" as such was not a separate religion yet, just a branch of Judaism. Therefore people professing to be Christians hundreds of years after the fact that chose to see these in a Jew-hating light not only are defying the message of the rest of the Bible, which clearly states that the Jews continue to be the people of the original promise (the "olive tree" as Paul puts it), but were culturally and historically illiterate as well.
http://www.messiahtruth.com/anti.html
The Anti-Jewish New Testament