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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 17, 2013, 01:28:38 AM
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Such posts by Christian members might offend Jewish members and when Jewish members respond, it could cause religious fights and drive away the Christian members.
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How about just saying "I was offended"?
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Such posts by Christian members might offend Jewish members and when Jewish members respond, it could cause religious fights and drive away the Christian members.
Binyamin,
I'm just curious and don't mean this in an offensive way because it's hard to tell when we type and don't 'talk,' but why do you care if it's used in a casual way that people use in common parlance/conversation? If someone thinks Obama is literally the "anti-christ," then I assume they have their own reasons for thinking of it like this. We're a Jewish forum, not an absolutist forum. They aren't demanding that we ascribe to the same idea or philosophy, right?
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Why not just call him "the devil"? He is a devil, just not the Christian term that refers to the angel Satan. Devil just could mean an evil person in English.
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The devil/satan in Christian theology and the Antichrist are two different entities. The Antichrist is a very evil person who will persecute Christians and Jews who works for satan.
However, there are also innumerable lesser antichrists (lowercase a) in our theology as well.
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Binyamin,
I'm just curious and don't mean this in an offensive way because it's hard to tell when we type and don't 'talk,' but why do you care if it's used in a casual way that people use in common parlance/conversation? If someone thinks Obama is literally the "anti-christ," then I assume they have their own reasons for thinking of it like this. We're a Jewish forum, not an absolutist forum. They aren't demanding that we ascribe to the same idea or philosophy, right?
Thanks JTFE.
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I feel like I would be a horrible friend if I thought something bad was going to happen to everyone on the planet and I didn't tell somebody about it or warn someone about it because I was afraid it might offend them.
We're looking at Hitler version 2 on the way. Why would I not warn my Jewish friends?
I'm not sorry even a little bit if it offended people because you guys need to at least be warned in advance. Then if you start to see these things come to pass you might remember what was said on the forum and you might be a little safer because you were warned.
I hope that these things won't happen in any of our lifetimes, but I believe that they might, and so if I want to claim to be any kind of good person I have to try to warn people I care about, whether they're Christian, pagan, atheist, or Jewish.
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My only comment, with no intention of inflaming the discussion, is that I agree that reading Christian theology goes against what I have learned a Jew should do. Maybe I am a zealot, but I take seriously the idea which Jewish sages expressed that a Jew should not learn about the ideology of other faiths. This is not because we fear that there is truth or enlightenment through other paths, but because of the fact of Jewish history that should young impressionable Jews read about these faiths they may be enticed to learn more, and find that they are encouraged to do so by missionary elements. Maybe some of you think this is a conspiracy theory, but in fact Jewish history has shown that when Jews are exposed to other faiths they are more inclined to assimilate. I know this through personal history, because most of my family has already assimilated. I am so very disturbed by this fact, and maybe it is why I seem like such a zealot about this.
I am sorry if this seems strange to you. I certainly do not hate anyone for not understanding why I feel this way. I am just one Jew but I feel a need to keep Jews Jewish and the way to do that is to make Judaism more interesting to Jewish youth. I realize JTF has had a hard time attracting and keeping good Jewish members. Even though this seems to be the case I have faith that eventually the JTF message will be spread by more Jews. Today I attended a Bar Mitzvah of a boy who has family who live in Eretz Yisrael. I know there is a generation of proud Jewish youth who will soon take the mantle of zionism.
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Muman: If it is offensive to read Christian theology, why did you choose to enter a thread that was specifically directed to Christians only?
Rubystars: It's not just that, but the fact that I thought it was a legitimate conversation topic in the light of recent events and recent discussions by Chaim. Hindu Zionist has discussed JTF matters in light of Hinduism also and nobody thought that he was trying to force Hinduism on Jewish and Christian members.
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I feel like I would be a horrible friend if I thought something bad was going to happen to everyone on the planet and I didn't tell somebody about it or warn someone about it because I was afraid it might offend them.
We're looking at Hitler version 2 on the way. Why would I not warn my Jewish friends?
I'm not sorry even a little bit if it offended people because you guys need to at least be warned in advance. Then if you start to see these things come to pass you might remember what was said on the forum and you might be a little safer because you were warned.
I hope that these things won't happen in any of our lifetimes, but I believe that they might, and so if I want to claim to be any kind of good person I have to try to warn people I care about, whether they're Christian, pagan, atheist, or Jewish.
Rubystars,
I appreciate your sentiment, but as I stated in a post previously, the Jewish people have been through so many 'antichrists' and 'beasts' that it is hard to believe that one person could actually fill such a description. The Romans destroyed our Holy Temple, killed many thousands of Jews and exiled us to the four corners of the world. We have been abused, tortured, and killed by so many governments. We have been expelled, taxed, and chased at the ends of pitchforks by angry mobs and had our synagogues burned to the ground.
You don't think that sounds like the end of the world? How many of these 'antichrists' and false prophets are we going to experience? I don't think that the Christian idea of antichrist is all that prophetic, as these prophecies were written in the Torah itself.... And we don't believe that there is any force which can stop the coming of the Messiah, the righteous redeemer of Israel. When it is time for him to come, he will be revealed and the world will know without a doubt that he has arrived.
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Muman: If it is offensive to read Christian theology, why did you choose to enter a thread that was specifically directed to Christians only?
Rubystars: It's not just that, but the fact that I thought it was a legitimate conversation topic in the light of recent events and recent discussions by Chaim. Hindu Zionist has discussed JTF matters in light of Hinduism also and nobody thought that he was trying to force Hinduism on Jewish and Christian members.
I ignored it for 3 days almost. I did not want to read about it. If you remember I posted something like 'this is still being discussed'... Anyway, it is JTF and I like to read what is being discussed. I also did not take offense so much at the question, but more concerned about the discussion of the theology. The ideas concerning the nature of HaSutton and the concept of free-will and angels. I am concerned that there are other Jews who may read these things and never have heard the Jewish view on the topics.
I would take offense equally if the names and theologies of Hindu gods were discussed. I think I have said before, to the dismay of many, that there is a concept in Judaism that a Jew should never say the name of a 'foreign god' otherwise known as 'avodah zarah'. There is much discussion about what constitutes avodah zarah, but one thing is sure that hindu gods fall into that category.
Anyway, I am only speaking for my own personal view on this topic. I realize my view is the minority and yet I have to express this feeling. Apparently I am not the only one who felt this way.
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Muman in your opinion or in Jewish teachings would a genuine Jewish Messiah require you to take a mark of some kind to participate in the world economy?
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Muman in your opinion or in Jewish teachings would a genuine Jewish Messiah require you to take a mark of some kind to participate in the world economy?
Of course not. The Rambams law of Kings and Moshiach pretty much lay out the Jewish views according to our prophets of how the years of the coming of Moshiach will pan out. It includes the idea that there are two ways to redemption, the easy way and the hard way. The easy way (which most agree is not going to be the way it happens, unless we witness miracles) is that the Jewish people will make a complete Teshuva and the Moshiach will arrive and bring us all back into the holy land and rebuild the Temple. The hard way, which I believe Christianity says is the only way, is that there will be tribulations and 'birth pangs' of the pre-messianic era. And there will be a big war, Gog and MaGog will wage war against Israel and then Moshiach will lead Israel to victory against those who rose against her.
The Moshiach will need no numbers to know who the Children of Israel are. No need for chips from IBM or Apple, because Moshiach will be able to know who is a Kohen, a Levi, or a Yisraeli... So if any so-called Moshiach needed such tricks, he surely would not be the Jewish Moshiach...
Judaism also doesn't envision a 'one world government'... The whole world will know that Hashem is the G-d of Israel, and the Master of the Universe, and will come to Jerusalem to make their offerings to him, but they will still be Nations of the World, and Israel will still be the GOY KADOSH (Holy Nation). This is according to the Jewish faith.
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Of course not.
Good! So keep that in mind. I didn't think so. If anybody asks you to do that, reject it! Don't take it! Fight it!
The Moshiach will need no numbers to know who the Children of Israel are. No need for chips from IBM or Apple, because Moshiach will be able to know who is a Kohen, a Levi, or a Yisraeli... So if any so-called Moshiach needed such tricks, he surely would not be the Jewish Moshiach...
I agree completely!
Judaism also doesn't envision a 'one world government'... The whole world will know that Hashem is the G-d of Israel, and the Master of the Universe, and will come to Jerusalem to make their offerings to him, but they will still be Nations of the World, and Israel will still be the GOY KADOSH (Holy Nation). This is according to the Jewish faith.
But the evil leftists/globalists do have a one world agenda. I was in college a couple of years ago and they were telling me that I needed to be a good "world citizen", etc. and then you have evil organizations like the United Nations trying to tell Israel what to do, etc. so you know any kind of globalism is very important to fight against because it's evil to the core right?
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A thread likw this will only cause more religious fights. I don't see why it is posted.
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Alright, one thing I think we all agree on is that Chaim has a message which needs to be spread.
I see a more Jewish Jewish Task Force, while it is true that Chaim wants to appeal to a wide audience.
I will try to put aside my feelings once again. But I hope that some people can understand that some of us Jews do take our faith to heart and as I explained numerous times my feelings about avoiding potential avenues of assimilation.
I don't want to upset the good JTF Christians. I do sometimes wish that there were more Jewish forums with more Jews.
So I will go along with anything JTF accepts, and I don't want to rock the boat. I respect Chaim and this organization.
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Alright, one thing I think we all agree on is that Chaim has a message which needs to be spread.
I see a more Jewish Jewish Task Force, while it is true that Chaim wants to appeal to a wide audience.
I will try to put aside my feelings once again. But I hope that some people can understand that some of us Jews do take our faith to heart and as I explained numerous times my feelings about avoiding potential avenues of assimilation.
I don't want to upset the good JTF Christians. I do sometimes wish that there were more Jewish forums with more Jews.
So I will go along with anything JTF accepts, and I don't want to rock the boat. I respect Chaim and this organization.
If I didn't care about Jewish people I wouldn't be posting what I'm posting.
If you saw someone walking on some train tracks and saw a train coming up behind them, but you knew they didn't like you or your religion, and that they wouldn't be likely to listen to you because of that, would you let the train hit them or would you at least TRY to yell and warn them?
The train's coming, you just haven't heard the train whistle going off behind you yet. I'm yelling and waving my hands trying to let you know there's danger coming.
I can't make anybody do anything about that, but I can at least warn people. I have to care that much.
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Well, I don't understand the concept of the "Antichrist" so I will let those who know more about it freely discuss it and it's not my business if they talk about it or believe in it. As I don't believe in an Antichrist, it is not something I have to worry about. I am concerned with the yetzer hara, in anti-semites in defending Israel. In Israel keeping the miztvot and in all Israel having confidence in Hashem and in the coming of Moshiach. Other people have other concerns. And that is what makes us great, the variety.
In any events, if Jews don't believe in an "antichrist" why should anyone be warning about the antichrist? It like telling people who don't believe in it, that we need to be worried about him.
Was someone asking about Angels and demons? Or should we make a thread about it in the Torah section?
As far as Angels, I am not well versed in it but it would an interesting discussion.
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I feel like I would be a horrible friend if I thought something bad was going to happen to everyone on the planet and I didn't tell somebody about it or warn someone about it because I was afraid it might offend them.
We're looking at Hitler version 2 on the way. Why would I not warn my Jewish friends?
I'm not sorry even a little bit if it offended people because you guys need to at least be warned in advance. Then if you start to see these things come to pass you might remember what was said on the forum and you might be a little safer because you were warned.
I hope that these things won't happen in any of our lifetimes, but I believe that they might, and so if I want to claim to be any kind of good person I have to try to warn people I care about, whether they're Christian, pagan, atheist, or Jewish.
But isn't that like Christian missionaries saying that Jews need to know about Jesus to be "saved" and "it's for their own good"?
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As far as Angels, I am not well versed in it but it would an interesting discussion.
I have posted several interesting threads on the topic of the Jewish view of angels...
Here are the links:
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,60732.msg541178.html#msg541178
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,64626.msg564989.html#msg564989
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,58728.msg528098.html#msg528098
http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,65750.msg571989.html#msg571989
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Thanks for the links, Muman! I am looking through them right now.
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But isn't that like Christian missionaries saying that Jews need to know about Jesus to be "saved" and "it's for their own good"?
That's a doctrinal teaching exclusive to Christianity. This is different from that in that I'm talking about events that may be coming up soon in the physical world that everybody of every faith will be able to see happening if they know what to look for. I think it's important to warn people if I truly believe these things are going to happen.
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As moderator I don't mind it. What I mind is when it goes off topic and there almost seems to be rep individuals at each other's throats. At least last time it wasn't so bad. I think we are learning how to speak to each other with more respect. So as long as we are able to do that with inter religious dialogue, I'm ok with threads that have respectful religious debates.
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As far as if there should be a separate Christian section on this forum, I disagree with that. There are tons of Christian forums out there. There is really only one truly right wing legitimate Jewish forum.
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As far as if there should be a separate Christian section on this forum, I disagree with that. There are tons of Christian forums out there. There is really only one truly right wing legitimate Jewish forum.
I think you're right. It would only cause trouble for there to be a section like that.
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If someone does not believe in an "antichrist" what is the point in knowing the signs of it. I don't understand how it's different that warning people is important-if those people reject the antichrist teaching.
I don't believe in an anticrist but I find the belief interesting and I am curious of what or why people believe in it. But my concern is that some things are cannot easily be discussed without the danger of crossing the lines in the opinions of other people. This one is close. To the point that the previous post had to be locked. Therefore it should remain defunct. Private messaging may be a better way to discuss it perhaps.
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If someone does not believe in an "antichrist" what is the point in knowing the signs of it. I don't understand how it's different that warning people is important-if those people reject the antichrist teaching.
Because if they see the things coming to pass then they will be warned about it and will be able to maybe know what's going on before other people and/or not get caught up in the admiration of this ultimate despot.
I don't believe in an anticrist but I find the belief interesting and I am curious of what or why people believe in it. But my concern is that some things are cannot easily be discussed without the danger of crossing the lines in the opinions of other people. This one is close. To the point that the previous post had to be locked. Therefore it should remain defunct. Private messaging may be a better way to discuss it perhaps.
Private messaging wouldn't have warned everyone reading the forum. However now that's been done.
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I must be crazy because I don't understand the logic. If someone believes in an "Antichrist" then that means they believe in a "Christ". And from what I just read about it online, the "anti-christ" is first before the second coming of Jesus....something which Jews don't believe in.
If someone is Jewish, they would not believe in Jesus and therefore would not believe in an anti-Christ (aka Anti-Jesus?) And therefore do not believe in a rapture or in a second coming.
Yet, you would warn people of the Antichrist so that we can know about such person and can recognize him when he does come...
That is the point where I get lost. To believe an antichrist will come is believing in Christian teachings and believing in a second coming of Jesus. Which Jews do not believe so. That is why I am wondering the point.
Nevertheless. I respect your right in believing in such teachings. Just as I can tell someone not to worry, there will be no antichrist. Others may say to be prepared for the antichrist.
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Ok, I don't understand the logic. If someone believes in an "Antichrist" then that means they believe in a "Christ". And from what I just read about it online, the "anti-christ" is first before the second coming of Jesus....something which Jews don't believe in.
If someone is Jewish, they would not believe in Jesus and therefore would not believe in an anti-Christ (aka Anti-Jesus?) And therefore do not believe in a rapture or in a second coming.
Yet, you need to warn people of the Antichrist so that we can know about such person and can recognize him when he does come...
That is the point where I get lost. To believe an antichrist will come is believing in Christian teachings and believing in a second coming of Jesus. Which Jews do not believe so. That is why I am wondering the point.
Nevertheless. I respect your right in believing in such teachings. Just as I can tell someone not to worry, there will be no antichrist. Others may say to be prepared for the antichrist.
I think regardless of whether Christian prophecy is true or not, there are a lot of globalist organizations hard at work right now trying to engineer a global government. Whether you call this ultimate despot the anti-Christ or not is immaterial. He must not be accepted as the Messiah and he must be opposed and you must not submit to him.
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Ok...
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Alright, one thing I think we all agree on is that Chaim has a message which needs to be spread.
I see a more Jewish Jewish Task Force, while it is true that Chaim wants to appeal to a wide audience.
I will try to put aside my feelings once again. But I hope that some people can understand that some of us Jews do take our faith to heart and as I explained numerous times my feelings about avoiding potential avenues of assimilation.
I don't want to upset the good JTF Christians. I do sometimes wish that there were more Jewish forums with more Jews.
So I will go along with anything JTF accepts, and I don't want to rock the boat. I respect Chaim and this organization.
I thought that you had absolutely nothing to apologize for.
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I thought that you had absolutely nothing to apologize for.
This is not meant as an apology for my feelings on the issue but rather a compromise in order to ensure that JTF operates as Chaim intends. This is due solely to my respect for Chaim and nothing else.
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We're going to work together even more as times get tougher and the differences between us will seem to get narrower. Righteous people are going to have to help one another through these evil times.
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We're going to work together even more as times get tougher and the differences between us will seem to get narrower. Righteous people are going to have to help one another through these evil times.
Exactly.
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'' You don't have to be Jewish to join the JTF, about half of our members are not Jewish ''
Jews, Christians.... We are people. We are fighting against the devil called Islam. If we not stop the bullsh*t soon, we will lose everything!
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'' You don't have to be Jewish to join the JTF, about half of our members are not Jewish ''
Jews, Christians.... We are people. We are fighting against the devil called Islam. If we not stop the bullsh*t soon, we will lose everything!
You're right about losing the fight against Islam. That's the number on religion you cannot bash.
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BTW just for the sake of a little clarification, it may please be known that the name antichrist does not appears even for a single time anywhere either in OT or NT or the Revelations. This term was coined later only in the 16th century by some other sects and was generally getting confused with the big beast or the small beast (666). By now most people rightly understand it to be the same as the big beast.
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I personally have learned a lot about Jewish perspective on afterlife, Torah, history, Mesiah, where Orthodox Jews stand on abortion issue, Essene history, tax revolts itc. Discussion on forum induced me to dig up two books from me collection and also read articles that other posted. I studied about Budism because of short post Hindu Zionist posted. They also believe in Mesiah or Buda that shell come. Lady10 actes as if no other religion existed but Orthodox teachings. She started to attack me for being open minded which is big sin in Serbian society where freedom of expression is met with brutal attacks.
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I personally have learned a lot about Jewish perspective on afterlife, Torah, history, Mesiah, where Orthodox Jews stand on abortion issue, Essene history, tax revolts itc. Discussion on forum induced me to dig up two books from me collection and also read articles that other posted. I studied about Budism because of short post Hindu Zionist posted. They also believe in Mesiah or Buda that shell come. Lady10 actes as if no other religion existed but Orthodox teachings. She started to attack me for being open minded which is big sin in Serbian society where freedom of expression is met with brutal attacks.
The Essenes are very interesting... But be careful, some people have taken Essene knowledge and perverted it and use it for evil. Also some claim to be Essenes, but teach the G-d Of Abraham is evil... Noachides were taught Torah from Melchizadek(Shem).
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Ugh... why must all this continue... its such a detractor from far more important issues!!!
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Lady10 actes as if no other religion existed but Orthodox teachings. She started to attack me for being open minded which is big sin in Serbian society where freedom of expression is met with brutal attacks.
"serbian army", why do you lie once agian, I did not mention anywhere that my religion is the only religion in the entire world. :nono: And one more thing I have never called my religion with one single word "Orthodox". You are inventing things here and you are trying to get some easy and lousy "points" on this forum, but no one has forgotten your praises and words of glorification for the enemies of the Jewish people. That thread was locked today and now you continue here again! Your statements about my personal life which you know absolutely nothing about, are completely laughable and it demonstrates you are the one with issues.
I do not have to respond to your future false commentary about me, and I will not do that no matter what filthy words you say, I can not be ofended by someone who does not know me. So post your absurdity as much as you feel like. Само изволи.
Eventually you will remove yourself from this forum, with your own posts.
P.S. I guess for you freedom of expression is when you come to a Jewish Task Forum and praise Iran and Russia
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"serbian army", why do you lie once agian, I did not mention anywhere that my religion is the only religion in the entire world. :nono: And one more thing I have never called my religion with one single word "Orthodox". You are inventing things here and you are trying to get some easy and lousy "points" on this forum, but no one has forgotten your praises and words of glorification for the enemies of the Jewish people. That thread was locked today and now you continue here again! Your statements about my personal life which you know absolutely nothing about, are completely laughable and it demonstrates you are the one with issues.
I do not have to respond to your future false commentary about me, and I will not do that no matter what filthy words you say, I can not be ofended by someone who does not know me. So post your absurdity as much as you feel like. Само изволи.
Eventually you will remove yourself from this forum, with your own posts.
P.S. I guess for you freedom of expression is when you come to a Jewish Task Forum and praise Iran and Russia
I'm pretty sure you've said that you were an Orthodox Christian...
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I'm pretty sure you've said that you were in Orthodox Christian...
Yes you are right Ephraim. And that has nothing to do with Russian O.C. to add for the end.
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P.S. I guess for you freedom of expression is when you come to a Jewish Task Forum and praise Iran and Russia
Why would I say anything negative about Russia? From my perspective they are great friends: entered in WWI because of us, liberated Belgrade in 1945 after loosing thousands of soldiers, entered in several wars with Turkey because of our liberation, helped us greatly in Bosnian civil war, trying to lift up our economy now....and list can go on and on. Sure I will defend them!!
As for Iranians, I have not changed my mind either. I don't glorify them at all. Do I respect many things about their culture. Sure I do. As someone who loves history I can't put their contribution to world's civilization under the rug. And I will freely say again THEY WERE OCCUPIED IN WWII, TOTALLY NEUTRAL COUNTRY IN CONFLICT.
If you think you can drag me into another discussion about my views on those two countries feel free. Just to say one thing, your little games are more than disgusting.
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Why are you two fighting so much?
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Why are you two fighting so much?
I don't know. She just starter calling me out for no reason at all for several days now. I have not quoted her single post before today. Not sure what she wants from me. I will write whatever and if she don't like it then just skip my post. :::D
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Russia is responsible for the mess in the Balkans by creating an artificial country called Yugoslavia. Why would Serbs support such an enemy? Russia is much the same in Southeastern Europe as England and France were in creating artificial countries that hate each other in the Middle East and Africa.
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I feel like I would be a horrible friend if I thought something bad was going to happen to everyone on the planet and I didn't tell somebody about it or warn someone about it because I was afraid it might offend them.
We're looking at Hitler version 2 on the way. Why would I not warn my Jewish friends?
I'm not sorry even a little bit if it offended people because you guys need to at least be warned in advance. Then if you start to see these things come to pass you might remember what was said on the forum and you might be a little safer because you were warned.
I hope that these things won't happen in any of our lifetimes, but I believe that they might, and so if I want to claim to be any kind of good person I have to try to warn people I care about, whether they're Christian, pagan, atheist, or Jewish.
A lot of people think Obama is the anti-Christ. I may not fully understand all this entails in the details from a Christian perspective, but I know what they mean and much of the time, I think that his behavior is just abominable so ...
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Russia is responsible for the mess in the Balkans by creating an artificial country called Yugoslavia. Why would Serbs support such an enemy? Russia is much the same in Southeastern Europe as England and France were in creating artificial countries that hate each other in the Middle East and Africa.
Yugoslavia I and II were both creations of our stupidity. I agree that Yugoslavia was an artificial country but we can't blame Russians for that. Yugoslavia II was actually an obstacle to Soviet Empire, not friend or its creation. Once Americans no longer needed its existence Yugoslavia fell apart because of economic hardship which led to strong separatism in republics.
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A lot of people think Obama is the anti-Christ. I may not fully understand all this entails in the details from a Christian perspective, but I know what they mean and much of the time, I think that his behavior is just abominable so ...
I don't think that he is actually the one who will fulfill that prophecy. I think that person hasn't appeared on the world stage yet. I do think that he is a horrible person though and definitely has some similar qualities.
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Ok, Obama is not the anti Messiah, he is Hitler number two!
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Ok, Obama is not the anti Messiah, he is Hitler number two!
Let's hope he never gets that powerful. He might if the people who predict he won't leave after his second term are correct, but I'm pretty sure he'll leave office after his eight years and some other horrible president will take his place.
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Let's hope he never gets that powerful. He might if the people who predict he won't leave after his second term are correct, but I'm pretty sure he'll leave office after his eight years and some other horrible president will take his place.
What if a real Conservtive wins the 2016 Presidential Election? Would Obama leave office or put up a fight?
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While I'm on the conspiracy theory kick...
This aministration has purposely drawn lines in this country. They want to separate the religious conservatives and the atheist leftists. In my own opinion, all the bailout money went to leftist groups. Like he said(BHO), he wants a civilian army just as strong as the military, the Nation of Islam, the Black Panthers, Muslims, Nazis, and let's not forget about the funding and increase in Homeland Security...
We are heading to war my friends!
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While I'm on the conspiracy theory kick...
This aministration has purposely drawn lines in this country. They want to separate the religious conservatives and the atheist leftists. In my own opinion, all the bailout money went to leftist groups. Like he said(BHO), he wants a civilian army just as strong as the military, the Nation of Islam, the Black Panthers, Muslims, Nazis, and let's not forget about the funding and increase in Homeland Security...
We are heading to war my friends!
Gd Forbid
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Interestingly enough....I just thought about this post when I read the story:
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/history-says-satan-does-not-look-obama-184605864--abc-news-celebrities.html (http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/history-says-satan-does-not-look-obama-184605864--abc-news-celebrities.html)
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Interestingly enough....I just thought about this post when I read the story:
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/history-says-satan-does-not-look-obama-184605864--abc-news-celebrities.html (http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/history-says-satan-does-not-look-obama-184605864--abc-news-celebrities.html)
HaSatan looks like whatever it needs to look like in order to accomplish his mission. This is why I think it is really foolish to believe that HaSatan has a look, or a body, because HaSatan is a spirit/angel. As I explain many times the Talmud explains that the Satan (The Accuser) actually is composed of three aspects, it is the Yetzer Hara (Personal evil inclination), the Angel of Death, and the Prosecuting Angel.
To each soul, there is a personal HaSatan, who appears to us in ways which are intended to cause us to fall. Knowing our weaknesses, HaSatan can appear to us as our friends and family, our co-workers, and our community. We must be aware that this force is not static or stationary, and will try various means to bring about our downfall.
Thats my advice concerning HaSatan..
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Satan is the Guardian Angel of Esav and therefore Amalek and all Jew haters.
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Satan is the Guardian Angel of Esav and therefore Amalek and all Jew haters.
Yes, the portion I speak of in the Talmud discusses the connection of HaSatan and Essau...
http://www.parsha.net/bereishis/Vayishlach67.doc
Our Sages equate the “Saro shel Eisav” with the Satan, with the Yetzer HaRa [evil inclination] and with the Malach HaMaves [Angel of Death]. Why, then, did he only fulfill his purpose of creation NOW? Rav Chaim explains that he fulfilled his “tachlis” NOW because he was defeated by Yaakov Avinu NOW.
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Oh you are completely right, Muman.
I just can't get over that some TV show cast a man who looks like Obama to be the "satan" of the Bible they are basing their show on. That actor looks like him and the jokes are just pouring in.
But as far as the real HaSatan, that is true what you say. I don't mean disrespect towards him. Was there not a Rabbi a long time ago who used to tell his students things about "HaSatan" and it angered the angel to t he point that one day he pretended to be a beggar and went to the old Rabbi. And while the rabbi sheltered him, HaSatan did something and yelled out "the rabbi has killed the beggar" and the poor rabbi had to flee.
I remember hearing about this in a lecture once, if only I could remember the story.
HaSatan is a figure that is elusive to me. I know he is the yetzer hara and the angel of death (I did not know of all 3 parts though just the first two). Who takes the soul out of the body. I hear that if someone is particularly evil in life, he will take out the body in a way that causes pain. And that he questions the souls while in the grave, which is said to be a very scary experience.
Like other angels, he will appear to us in ways that we could understand them.
Anyways, I can't get over the actor that looks like Obama. The producers say it is just a coincidence and that he does not look like him. But the resemblance is very similar- just one is older than the other. I thought I would add some humor to the post by comparing a picture of a fake satan to obama.
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Alright, let's mix it up a bit with Old Black Sabbath (w/Ozzy) singing their only 'pro-god' song.... After Forever which is actually pro-Christian...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkmyZ8juZWw
Have you ever thought about your soul - can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in your grave
Is God just a thought within your head or is He a part of you?
Is christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?
When you think about death do you lose your breath
Or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope
Do you think he's a fool?
Well I have seen the truth, yes I've seen the light
And I've changed my ways
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared
At the end of our days
Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believe in God above?
They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to love
Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say they may as well worship the sun?
I think it was true it was people like you that crucified christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced
Will you be so sure when your day is near, say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down, now you can't retrieve
Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he's the one
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate
Or will you still jeer at all you hear?
Yes! I think it's too late.
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At least an Arab plays Satan. I'm surprised the Leftist movie makers didn't portray Satan as a Right Wing person "oppressing" the "innocent" Muslims.
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Alright, let's mix it up a bit with Old Black Sabbath (w/Ozzy) singing their only 'pro-god' song.... After Forever which is actually pro-Christian...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkmyZ8juZWw
Isn't Black Sabbath a Muzzie terrorist thing or am I mixing it up with Black September and/or the NOI Black Muslims?
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At least an Arab plays Satan. I'm surprised the Leftist movie makers didn't portray Satan as a Right Wing person "oppressing" the "innocent" Muslims.
I think it's a Christian production. They are basing the entire show on the Christian bible. I have not seen the show, nor will I see it at all, but the actor really looks like an older obama and whoever didn't see the resemblance is just a moron.
And it's just nice that the story came out during this thread.
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I think it's a Christian production. They are basing the entire show on their bible. I have not seen the show, nor am I but the actor looks like obama and whoever didn't see the resemblance is just a moron.
Dey be racist. UMM HMM!
You don't be talkin to Obama like dat. UMM HMM!
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Isn't Black Sabbath a Muzzie terrorist thing or am I mixing it up with Black September and/or the NOI Black Muslims?
Nope, Black Sabbath is an old 1970's Heavy Metal band. They virtually invented the genre...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_sabbath
Black Sabbath are an English rock band, formed in Birmingham in 1969, by guitarist Tony Iommi, bassist Geezer Butler, singer Ozzy Osbourne, and drummer Bill Ward. The band has since experienced multiple line-up changes, with Tony Iommi the only constant presence in the band through the years. Originally formed in 1968 as a heavy blues rock band named Earth and renamed Black Sabbath in 1969, the band began incorporating occult themes with horror-inspired lyrics and tuned-down guitars. Despite an association with occult and horror themes, Black Sabbath also composed songs dealing with social instability, political corruption, the dangers of drug abuse and apocalyptic prophecies of the horrors of war.
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Black Sabbath are cited as pioneers of heavy metal. The band helped define the genre with releases such as quadruple-platinum Paranoid, released in 1970. They were ranked by MTV as the "Greatest Metal Band" of all time, and placed second in VH1's "100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock" list, behind Led Zeppelin. Rolling Stone magazine ranked them among the 100 greatest artists of all time. They have sold over 15 million records in the United States and over 70 million records worldwide.[1][2] Black Sabbath were inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame in 2005 and the US Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2006.
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I usually call such music "white noise" as opposed to rap noise.
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I usually call such music "white noise" as opposed to rap noise.
It's all good noise... I like some heavy metal, not the Satanic metal (and while Sabbath flirted with such themes they weren't deeply involved with occultism)... I have a wide variety of taste in music...
I've seen Sabbath in concert, so too Iron Maiden and Judas Priest and Ozzy. I saw Scorpions and seen Metallica a number of times. But that was almost a lifetime ago... I saw a lot of shows in my 20s-30s.... I'm now almost 50...
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Wow that's an incredible list of classics you have seen live! I was never into that type of music. I got into other types but mostly shun it now. Unless if I hear a song I know, and I start singing along- remembering old times.
Btw, I am sorry if I am making an inappropriate joke but...
If they cast a man who looks like Obama to play "Satan", I wonder who they will cast to play the "whore of Babylon".
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/YkcUAhdDbizfn7wxaJvdQg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yODg7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/Reuters/ht_2_barack_obama_satan_history_channel_thg_130318_wmain.jpg)
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As Yerusha posted, Nimrod was "Negroidal" like Obama. Nimrod was the son of the first black in the Bible, Kush.
The African Hamite Nimrod usurped control in Babylon. Ham was supposed to get Africa but some Hamites, both white (Canaan) and black (Nimrod) usurped parts of Asia.
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Is that from the Wizard of Oz?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1WGKGZZ4U0
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That's the perfect costume for Michelle Obama.
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Is that from the Wizard of Oz?
Wizard of Oz? Oh my dear Binyamin...
Wizard of Oz in space!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv666PtpD_M
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Btw....yes Ratzinger did look like Palpatine. Wow!
Binyamin, here is the real video- as you can see Emperor Palpatine is from Star Wars. I was only joking before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHDQon1a9cA
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I was going to write "Star Wars?" but the computer was acting gay so I saw your comment before I got to.
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"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped so that he sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God"
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"He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped so that he sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be God"
He (Anti-X) will be a christian, but the real Moshiach will obviously be the Jew.
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He obviously wouldn't be a real Christian if he was one.
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He (Anti-X) will be a christian.
I disagree. First theory: The Antichrist will be someone that will fight Jesus more than ony other people, he will actively fight Christ. He will openly be Anti-Christ, he won't be neutral or indifferent. He will say everything is "illegitimate" about Christ. Second theory: The Antichrist will be so clever in propaganda, he will sell false ideas to Christians who will be deceived.
I almost forgot this is not the Antichrist thread. Posts are not allowed there anymore.
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He obviously wouldn't be a real Christian if he was one.
You are right. But the contour of his life will apparently be such that most will automatically come to believe him as a christian.
>>>From my side also this thread is closed.<<<