Sabbatai Zevi (שַׁבְּתַי צְבִי Shabbetai Tzvi, other spellings include Sabbatai Ẓevi, Shabbetai Ẓevi, Sabbatai Sevi, and Sabetay Sevi in Turkish) (August 1, 1626 – c. September 17, 1676[1]) was a Sephardic Rabbi[2] and kabbalist who claimed to be the long-awaited Jewish Messiah. He was the founder of the Jewish Sabbatean movement.
In February of 1666, upon his arrival in Constantinople, Sabbatai was imprisoned following orders issued by the grand vizier Ahmed Köprülü; in September of that same year, after being moved from different prisons around the capital to Adrianople (the imperial court's seat) for judgement on accusations of fomenting sedition, Sabbatai was given by Köprülü, in the name of the Sultan Mehmed IV, the choice of either facing death by some type of ordeal, or of converting to Islam. Sabbatai seems to have chosen the latter by donning on his head from then on a Turkish turban. He was then also rewarded by the heads of the Ottoman state with a generous pension for his compliance with their political and religious plans.[3] Some of his followers also converted to Islam—about 300 families who were known as the Dönmeh (converts).[4]
Matthew 24:4 Jesus said to his disciples stating what the Signs of the End of the Age were....."Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, " I am the Christ, and will deceive many. The World is full of deception as predicted and false prophets with counterfeit signs of spiritual power and authority are trying to deceive man who is not grounded in the truth!
Well, despite all the bad that tzvi did, I have heard it said by some that he contributed to Zionism, to the urge to resettle the land. For people in those times I doubt there could be any other real catalyst for movement out of galut other than a potential moshiach. We have to consider that bar kochba was living in the land, which is an entirely different situation. For someone chutz haretz to gather the chutzpah to start a messianic ingathering movement was a different challenge.
For someone chutz haretz to gather the chutzpah to start a messianic ingathering movement was a different challenge.
Muman, I think you should consider altering the title of your thread. Whether false or real messiah, no one is supposed to worship him. It's a person regardless.
The fact is that the exile also distorted the Jews conception of what the messiah actually is, largely due to being surrounded and inundated with certain nonJewish religions that put a spin on it and warped it into their own theology. It seems we are never immune from influences from the surrounding culture as we can witness ourselves today. But that distortion of original ideas and lack of true understanding was a volatile mix with shabtao tzvi's cult persona and mysticism and directly led to his popularity in a major way. We need to ask ourselves what truly is a messiah in Jewish belief. I think when we answer that question authentically from the sources and know it well, we can never fall for a charlatan like tzvi.
Shai77,
Belief in the Moshiach is one of Rambams 13 Principles of Judaism and it is a commandment to await the coming of Moshiach every day. It is not an optional part of normative Jewish belief.
We believe Hashem sent the 1st Moshiach through Moses. And when we are redeemed once again it will be similar to the exodus from Mitzrayim. Moshiach will come because the prophets tell us this is so.
I would definitely give Shabatai the benefit of the doubt. If you watched the lecture you would hear that kabbalists in north Israel of the time were working to bring the messiah and were creating a situation of expectation where someone who may not have been qualified would want to claim to be the one and fulfill the expectations.
Fine but Moses was directly called by G-d and had direct leadership from the voice of G-d. The current situation is at least as difficult as the one in Egypt with the lack of modesty and new forms of media.
If G-d is no longer speaking directly to anyone and hasn't in maybe 2,000 yrs, how could Jews expect anyone other than what most people would call 'a mental case who claims to hear prophecy' to claim to be messiah?
I am astounded that you could say something like this. You must not realize the damage this phony and creep did to the Jewish people.Shabatai; A loner, a poet, a singer, a bit of a seducer and leading luminary of false messianism; Shabatai was as the good lord made him and was warped by influences of a world he didn't create. He probably sincerely wanted to build the Temple but didn't have the means to do so. May he be exonerated and rest in peace.
As I mentioned before, it's important that we understand what exactly the messiah is. The concept became distorted and misunderstood in the exile due to the influence of foreign religions, mysticism etc. That is a big reason why a faker like shabtai tzvi even got a cult following to begin with. The criteria for who is a messiah are NOT related to the claims the tzvi was making about himself or what nathan of aza was saying about him. We are not waiting for a miracle worker to show up and bring us onto his spaceship. We do not need to drink the kool aid.
As I mentioned before, it's important that we understand what exactly the messiah is. The concept became distorted and misunderstood in the exile due to the influence of foreign religions, mysticism etc. That is a big reason why a faker like shabtai tzvi even got a cult following to begin with. The criteria for who is a messiah are NOT related to the claims the tzvi was making about himself or what nathan of aza was saying about him. We are not waiting for a miracle worker to show up and bring us onto his spaceship. We do not need to drink the kool aid.
Prodezra Beats discusses this long wait in his song 'Until When II'..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVl2OD9RHlc
And also in 'Where are you?'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vs1FMGsPCI
I want more! I'm glad Moses beat him to death!
Voltaire?
Oh, by the way I think Jesus was married...
Shabatai; A loner, a poet, a singer, a bit of a seducer and leading luminary of false messianism; Shabatai was as the good lord made him and was warped by influences of a world he didn't create. He probably sincerely wanted to build the Temple but didn't have the means to do so. May he be exonerated and rest in peace.
More!
Consequent to these disclosures the congress of rabbis in Brody proclaimed a universal Cherem (excommunication) against all "impenitent heretics", and made it obligatory upon every pious Jew to seek them out and expose them. The Sabbateans informed Dembowski, the Catholic Bishop of Kamenetz-Podolsk, Poland, that they rejected the Talmud and recognized only the sacred book of Kabbalah, the Zohar, which did not contradict the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. They stated that they regarded the Messiah-Deliverer as one of the embodiments of the three divinities.
The bishop took Frank and his followers (the "Anti-Talmudists", or "Zoharistic Jews") under his protection and in 1757 arranged a religious disputation between them and the rabbis of the traditionalist community. The Anti-Talmudists presented their theses, which began the intense dispute. The bishop sided in favor of the Frankists and also ordered the burning of all copies of the Talmud in Poland. 10,000 volumes were destroyed, which was a tremendous loss for the Jewish libraries of that era.
After the death of the bishop, the Sabbateans were subjected to severe persecution by the rabbis, although they succeeded in obtaining an edict from Augustus III of Poland guaranteeing them safety."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frank
A Spark of Moshiach
What does it mean that every Jew has a spark of the soul of Moshiach?
In order to answer this question, we must first understand what the Jewish soul is. The Midrash writes: “There are five names for the soul: Nefesh, Ruach, Neshama, Chaya and Yechidah.” These five names, as explained in the teachings of Chassidut, are not simply words. Rather, each one reflects a different level and aspect of the soul.
The first four (Nefesh, Ruach, Neshama and Chaya) refer to the powers of action, emotion, intellect and will. Each of these aspects of the soul can be used in either a positive or negative way. One can choose to perform good deeds or bad, indulge in positive or negative emotions, or use one’s intellect to accomplish constructive or destructive ends. Our will can also be directed towards the positive or the negative. Yechidah, on the other hand, is the essence of the soul, which cannot be corrupted by our surroundings. The Yechidah is connected to the divine at all times, and always reflects its Creator.
Over the course of our daily lives, the Yechidah rarely finds expression. Only when we are confronted with a challenge that threatens to sever our link with G-d, our Yechidah rises up and reveals itself. The Yechidah cannot, and will not, allow itself to be separated from its divine source.
The teachings of Kabbalah explain that the entire Jewish People is comprised of a single, united soul. Moshiach is called the “general Yechidah,” containing and reflecting the soul root of every Jew. Each of our souls is a reflection or ray of this general Yechidah.
When a Jew reveals his penchant for self-sacrifice and overcomes his spiritual challenges, he is revealing the spark of Moshiach within his soul. This gives each one of us the power to bring the Redemption. When we arouse the Yechida within us, we release ourselves from the wiles of the evil inclination, which leads to the entire Jewish People being released from the shackles of exile.
(Yeshaya 52:13. Bereishit Rabba, Chapter 14:9. Devarim Rabba, 2:37. Perush Ramaz on Zohar, Vol. 2, p. 43, Vol. 3, p. 260. Meor Einayim, Parshas Pinchas. Kuntres Inyana shel Toras Hachassidus.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2312356/jewish/Chapter-12-Ahavas-Yisrael-and-Mashiach.htm
Mashiach
Every Jew possesses a spark of the soul of Mashiach,9 as is hinted in the verse:10 “A star shall shoot forth from Yaakov” which is a reference both to Mashiach11 and to every Jew.12 This spark is the level of yechidah13 of the soul of the Jew which is also the spark of the general yechidah, the soul of Mashiach.14 This level of the soul stands above all divisions and transcends all levels. By revealing the yechidah level of every Jew, one hastens the revelation of the general yechidah, i.e., the revelation of Mashiach. Ahavas Yisrael reveals the yechidah.
In this light it must be emphasized that the connection between ahavas Yisrael and the Geulah is not only that ahavas Yisrael removes the cause of the exile (the opposite of ahavas Yisrael), but rather, since we are now at the stage in which we have completed our avodah that needed to be done throughout the duration of the exile: we have already traveled the forty two journeys through the “desert of the nations”15 and we are already standing by the “River Jordan” — the level of Mashiach of “Morach Vadain,”16 on the brink of Redemption, then most definitely the cause of the exile has already17 been rectified and therefore the emphasis on ahavas Yisrael is as a taste and even the beginning of the true and complete Redemption which is connected with the unity of Jews as it stands above all division, as underlined in Jewish unity at the level of yechidah — the spark of Mashiach.
I want more! I'm glad Moses beat him to death!Did you see the marriage certificate? :P
Voltaire?
Oh, by the way I think Jesus was married...
Did you see the marriage certificate? :PWell of course Miss Bullcat :-*, I was there silly. :dance: It was one heck of a good time! :celebrate:
Did you see the marriage certificate? :P
Their was no gay marriage at the time. :DYou had to take it to a whole nother level, didn't you?
Shai, I want to know about your post that was removed.... Was that a joke? If not, please enlighten me...
You're f@(king kidding me right? You worship an agent(the one that go's against Gd's law) of G-d? That is a form of some of the Gnostics...I don't really worship satan; I just don't believe God is that good anymore or that being religious in modern times is fun enough. If I was following Moses or Dawud it might be a different story;
.... I think you are jerking us around here, with some anti beliefs right now?
We travelled through the desert
and things went ok
but then some group got power hungry
and went astray
Korach was his name
and his bankroll was fat
He had a group of killers
all with their gats
He was coming to get me
so I prayed and prayed
he was devoured and roasted
and I was saved.
Then there was Zimri
and those midianite hoes
The princess was beautiful
but she brought only woes
He challenged my authorita
and said I had married out too
I was kind of speechless and couldn't say boo
my pride was hurt and my eyes grew dim
until Pinchas took a spear and shanked him
(and I thanked him!)
The manna was falling
everyday without fail
until some complainers grumbled
and wanted some quail
You want some quail I thundered
You miserable beasts!
Isn't the manna enough
for all your fine feasts?
If it's quails you want then it's quails you'll get
Til it comes out your nose
Til you wretch
And some ate and some died
and were finally gone
and we packed up the camp
and quickly moved on
I killed a few more here
I killed a few more there
We had to decapitated them
For entering midianite lairs
We burned some cities
and had a good time
a punished idolaters
for their idolatrous crime
thanks. please excuse me if the chronology is a bit off...
Bezalel built an ark
from donated gold and acacia wood
and things were getting better
and better in the hood
...
we even had some time here and there
for our women in beds
These were good days, with my family and I
But one day Aarons sons got faded,
burned some strange incense and died
I'm not sure what happened
there was some commotion and a boom
and next thing we knew, they were by fire consumed
I consoled my young homie
there wasn't much I could do
he handled it well
like a good soldier jew
I stuttered for words
there wasn't much I could say
the good lord giveth
and he taketh away
Aaron was down
but carried on like a champ
and once again we pulled up stakes
and moved on from the camp
We got some instructions
about goats and food laws and stuff
this Torah was great
I couldn't get enough
...
What, Hebrew Satanism? Basically, I think people of Hebrew descent need the freedom to be individuals and have an identity outside the strict code of mosaic law. Hebrew satanism does not deny the existence of God or the factual history of Israel and does still worship and pray to God but we give the devil his due as well and honor Satan (God's evil side). There have been enough spin-off hebrew movements trying to describe themselves as thus without fully saying it out loud. Satan is a part and parcel of Israelite history and we honor him. If God expects Israelites to live up to the Mosaic law after certain events than the truth is that the God of Israel has an evil or unreasonable side. I don't really know what else to say; I've seen too much of human nature to deny the power of satan. Satan is identified with evil and he may well be partly evil, but satan also represents individuality, non conformity etc...Hebrew Satanism allows Jews to be Christians and buddhists at the same time, not because we believe in or worship rock or stone but because this imagery has been allowed to bombard the senses so we accept it as part of the fabric of reality. Hebrew satanism attempts to be realistic about humans nature and God. We do acknowledge that the entire Nile to Euphrates belongs to ethnic Israelites such as myself but not based on whether they obey the mosaic code or not. We do not stress about lighting bonfires on sabbath, nor do we do things like get rid of breadcrumbs at passover. We are a lawless group by international political standards as well as rabbinic ones and far more extreme and far less modest than Kahanism. If you want to know our plan for Israel, you can PM me; I would be called inciting if I posted it publicly.
This is some retarded nonsense. Just like the frankists, trying to justify your evil behavior with twisted "philosophies" that don't make any sense.
I knew you had to be harboring some twisted delusions if you were defending shabtai tzvi. Next you'll defend Hitler.
KWRBT have you read what he wrotes ? He says he would follow Moses, great Bar Kochba if he was here today! Sometimes you post comment you don't know why you write them!
Beside his poetry is great 8)
Lol to follow Moshe is to follow Judaism, plain and simple. Creating his own religion to worship some imaginary devil character is definitely NOT following Moshe who left instructions for his followers for all the generations, not just the ones in which he was alive. Moshe killed the people who worshipped the golden calf. Use your imagination about what Moshe would do with shai and anyone else who worships the evil of shabtai tazi and Frank.
Him saying he would follow Moshe is for selfish reasons and is meaningless given what he chooses to follow in real life. You admire his poetry? Should we admire the artwork of a traitor like gideon levy? Maybe gideon levy is really skilled in paint by number.
[There is a mitzvah in the Torah called "Judging others favorably." This means if we see someone in a wrongdoing, we must first to stop, think, and consider if perhaps we are missing one crucial factor, that changes the story from the way it appears.]
Take pleasure in making people look good: A virtuous man was walking with his students and they chanced upon the dead carcass of an animal. The students said, "What a foul odor is coming from this carcass!" the virtuous man said, "How white are its teeth!" (Chovos HaLevavos, Shaar Hacniya, chap 6)
Which was true? Which was more obvious?
Both observations were true. Even though the white teeth were much less obvious and easy to overlook in the face of the offensive, overpowering odor of a dead carcass, the virtuous man found something nice to see and to say. He chose to concentrate on the positive. If this can be said concerning a dead animal, how much more so should we try to find the good in a human being.
"If one sees his fellow sin or following an improper path, he is obligated to return him to the better [path], and to inform him that he is sinning to himself with his evil ways. [This is] as it is stated, 'You shall surely rebuke your fellow' (Leviticus 19:17).http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/peninim/archives/tazria67.htm
"When one rebukes his fellow, whether in matters between the two of them or in matters between him [the sinner] and G-d (lit., 'the Omnipresent'), he must rebuke him privately (lit., 'between him and himself'). He should speak to him gently, in a soothing (lit., 'soft') tone, telling him that he is only saying this to him for his benefit and to bring him to the life of the World to Come.
"If his fellow accepts his words, it is good. If not, he should rebuke him a second and third time. And so too, he is continuously obligated to rebuke his fellow until the sinner hits him and says to him 'I will not listen.'
When a woman conceives and gives birth to a male (12:2). If a person have on the skin of his flesh a seis, or a sapachas. (13:2)
It seems peculiar that a parsha which deals primarily with the tumah, spiritual contaminations, of tzaraas, spiritual leprosy in its many forms, should be called Parashas Tazria, the Parasha of giving birth. While, in fact, the parsha does begin with the laws concerning a yoledes, woman who just gave birth, it proceeds to focus on tumas tzaraas. Why? The Torah is giving us a subtle message: Bearing a child, procreating, is the act of bringing life into this world. Speaking lashon hora, evil/disparaging speech/slander, takes a life. It is murder, perhaps more discriminating, but no less insidious. It is not violent, but it is, in many instances, just as destructive and fatal. The Torah commences with the positive act of bringing life into this world and the ensuing commitments one has to Hashem vis-?-vis the korbanos, sacrifices, and the period of tumah following the birth. Then the Torah demonstrates simply how derogatory speech and even a negative facial expression can destroy a life.
This is some retarded nonsense. Just like the frankists, trying to justify your evil behavior with twisted "philosophies" that don't make any sense.
I knew you had to be harboring some twisted delusions if you were defending shabtai tzvi. Next you'll defend Hitler.
KWRBT have you read what he wrotes ? He says he would follow Moses, great Bar Kochba if he was here today! Sometimes you post comment you don't know why you write them!Thank you. Yes i would like to follow Moses in the physical world. It is quite different to follow directions of a character from 3,000 years ago than actually being there. The thing about Moses that is exceptional is that he got to use every bit of his energy in service to God. There are not many people like that so in that way he was extremely lucky;
Beside his poetry is great 8)
Shai77,I'm not sure.
Do you really believe that your satan has any power? Satan is nothing. It is completely foolish from a Jewish perspective to attribute any power to the evil. I really hope you are just saying this to be provocative because otherwise I cannot really trust you will act as a Jew should towards another. I deny that there is a seperate satan and believe fully the talmudic idea that the satan is really three entities, Satan is the angel of death, the yetzer hara, and the prosecutor on the day of judgement.
Sometimes you seem very judgmental to me. This is a real Jew you are talking about. You should consider trying to follow the Torah some day. Our Holy Torah places a great deal of import on how a Jew treats his fellow, and sometimes you seem to be lacking in Ahavat Yisroel. I have rebuked you about this in the past and you have continued your way (which is fine by me because I accept you as a Jew who is only acting in the best way he knows). I seek to bring Jews back to Torah which is why I reach out to Jews and befriend them no matter where on the ladder of Jewish observance he or she is. This is because of the kindness which was bestowed on me from my Jewish community when I was far from Torah.
Indeed what he has said is wrong according to our beliefs. But what he said is a result of his environment and upbringing. We all must judge others in the context of their life experience.
I will bring Pirkie Avot... Chapter 2 Mishnah 4:
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2011/jewish/Chapter-Two.htm
4. He would also say: Make that His will should be your will, so that He should make your will to be as His will. Nullify your will before His will, so that He should nullify the will of others before your will.
Hillel would say: Do not separate yourself from the community. Do not believe in yourself until the day you die. Do not judge your fellow until you have stood in his place. Do not say something that is not readily understood in the belief that it will ultimately be understood [or: Do not say something that ought not to be heard even in the strictest confidence, for ultimately it will be heard]. And do not say "When I free myself of my concerns, I will study,'' for perhaps you will never free yourself.
PS: I think he clarified he was being sarcastic when he suggested he worships Soton.
PS: I think he clarified he was being sarcastic when he suggested he worships Soton.
Actually, yes. I listened to a 13 hour audio about the life of Hitler to really try to learn about this character who defined the 20'th century and in many ways my life and he actually had a few good characteristics. Who is wise? He who learns from everybody.
I wouldn't want to be one of his victims and I probably wouldn't fit in with his crowd but the he did have some taste in music and some ideas about art and culture. Mass murder aside, some of his criticisms about the music and art of the day are in fact quite funny.
I think he felt strongly about what his national culture should be and did something about it and he had experienced war so he wasn't too afraid of blood and guts. He was a cultural warrior brutally serious. If I could I might like to do some similar things to what hitler did; only the part about taking over a country and dictating or at least having a strong say about the direction of art and culture; basically just get some friends together who can shoot straight and who like your ideas on art and start intimidating the competition...It seems like a realistic viewpoint on politics and getting things done.
I am of the opinion that if he ever heard a Temple orchestra, he never would have touched the Jews. Hitler was a music fanatic, a jilted artist and that in my opinion is the major tragedy of the exile; the soul of music.
In addition, Hitler hated Christianity and sought to eradicate it; he saw through the falsehood and suicidal advice contained in the 'NT'. To accomplish this feat he was willing to take drastic actions. In this way he was not the smiling 'compassionate' enemy trying to destroy the soul through deceit but rather a straight power type. I find this perhaps more respectable in some ways.
Some Jews who go to beach on sabbath may talk about how evil hitler was but they aren't coming to honest terms with the dictates of the Torah, their own religion which would condemn them to hell for floating in a raft on the sabbath.
In my opinion the Holy Temple is about music and it would require near dictatorial powers to restore it.
The nuremberg laws sounded extremely racist but let's face it; in Judaism not letting 'goyim' touch wine and all that stuff has racial overtones of it's own;
The wording in Talmudic Judaism can sound fanatically supremacist to outsiders; even if that is not the intent; I've tried to look at it objectively and as hard as it is I came to that conclusion. It's part of the reason I'm a hebrew satanist; If Israelites were in a diaspora and had to print materials like that to keep their traditions going it was likely going to cause a backlash at some point. So it was sort of a catch-22 God had put them in, a very difficult situation that mortals were likely to fail; Hebrew Satanism posits that God exists, but maybe he's not always that good. I would like to be proven wrong but until that time I am a hebrew satanist.
Welcome back old friend.Thank you. I would like to go inside the place where the dome of the rock now stands and live alone for 40 days to obtain my full musical and healing powers so that I can bless my followers using supernatural powers. I would like establish my kingdom on earth and bring about the redemption of humanity and the resurrection of the dead if I can withstand the heat and pressure while I converse and negotiate with the supreme deity.
Thank you. I would like to go inside the place where the dome of the rock now stands and live alone for 40 days to obtain my full musical and healing powers so that I can bless my followers using supernatural powers. I would like establish my kingdom on earth and bring about the redemption of humanity and the resurrection of the dead if I can withstand the heat and pressure while I converse and negotiate with the supreme deity.Where do I sign up?
The Hebrew Satanist movement has a new vision for the middle east.
I need a serious group of supporters within Israel and around the world. The hip hop messiah does not condemn intermarriage and encourages the in-grafting of gentiles into the new republic of satan extending from the nile to the euphrates, inclusive of hebrews, arabs, whites and other ethnicities united under the rule of the hip hop messiah. The peace through hip hop initiative, chartered by me, the original hip hop messiah, hopes to make a positive impact. In addition to great music, we will also be conducting dance competitions and mma tournaments. If you like weed, hip hop, the holy temple, dance competitions and mma tournaments be sure to support the hip hop messiah and the hebrew satanist movement.
The Hebrew Satanist Movement is forming a new outreach blog for other Hebrew Satanists or unaffiliated people of Hebrew ancestry and gentiles who support the Hebrew Satanist cause. The Hip Hop messiah views all of his supporters as the most important characters in history but occasionally makes fun of people.You're lying! It's G-d on the com, not G d(minus the o)! Well, mocking us is fair, but saying we have not changed is a lie! You have not changed at all!
As far as bashing Hashem as an evil God; The Hip Hop Messiah doesn't claim to know the entire nature of God and aims to make personal contact with him on behalf of his followers;
The purpose of the hip hop messiah is to help individuals realize their greatness and talents in the realest ways possible.
You're lying! It's G-d on the com, not G d(minus the o)! Well, mocking us is fair, but saying we have not changed is a lie! You have not changed at all!I'm not sure exactly what you mean by saying we have not changed at all.
Jacob Frank was very good from what I read.
He could have been a messiah had the time been right.
The Hip Hop Messiah
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by saying we have not changed at all.You haven't changed, because you have been here before, mocking us! You're not a satanist either, if you're .... satan is a weak ass fag! You're basically saying you are the antichrist that Jews will follow and that some Christians believe will make the Temple Mount his thrown, and Jesus will destroy you! When in all actuality... When the Temple is rebuilt, G-d's presence(The Shekinah)
If it appears that the Hip Hop Messiah is mocking G-d perhaps he is only mocking some of the manifestations
of the G-d religion or questions some of the things that G-d does;
You haven't changed, because you have been here before, mocking us! You're not a satanist either, if you're .... satan is a weak ass fag! You're basically saying you are the antichrist that Jews will follow and that some Christians believe will make the Temple Mount his thrown, and Jesus will destroy you! When in all actuality... When the Temple is rebuilt, G-d's presence(The Shekinah)
will reign, and we don't have to worry about a fake ass messiah leading us to sin!
Shai77,
I am honestly ashamed of what you have written here. I know you don't really care about what I think but I must clearly disassociate myself with your ideology. I truly through about you over Shabbat today and discussed this with my rabbi. But it is all for naught because at this point you have made chillul Hashem openly on JTF, a Kahanist web-site and one I have been associated with for many years.
You're very wrong; I do care what you think, deeply and I hope you'll see the light and support me. I must get into the temple mount mosque and talk with the deity. That is the only thing I want to do;
I hoped that we could discuss things and resolve issues. But your ideology is far far from what I anticipated. Your will is to confront Hashem and his covenant with the people of Israel. This is not messianic, and it is not satanic, it is purely your own yetzer hara speaking to you and making you rebel against the Mosaic covenant.
>Yes that is partially true but mostly because I have honestly observed modern Hebrew culture and I see what a situation God (Satan) created for them, including myself and what the coming of the messiah will mean for them. Many of them will never change, therefore it is a waste of time to do anything else other than get God to confront them with covenant or alter it. Therefore, as Hip Hop Messiah, I must arbitrate, like Moses and Jesus combined into the ultimate prophetic superstar, The Hip Hop Messiah, step into the fray into the very center of the eye of the storm and sit for 40 days or get consumed by fire.
Our discussion was useful because I think I understand where you are coming from. Where we are born and how the prevailing view of the society at the time can affect our outlook on faith and observance. But that does not excuse you because I know you have done some studying, and a little knowledge is dangerous in the wrong heart.
I think it does excuse me and it does entitle me to visit directly with the deity face to face and confront him.
I am often recalling the Talmudic story of the character of Acher (the other) who was a great sage who ended up going insane and rejecting the Torah and Hashem. He claimed his Teshuva was not welcome and went around violating Shabbat openly and even in front of his teachers. I believe there is always hope for the soul of a Jew.
But I must ask you cease these rants because they shame me.
Why do they shame you? Because you cannot really answer the hard philosophical questions?
Do you really want me to cease these rants?
I really enjoy philosophy and I can pose the honest theological questions that demand answers.
I don't want to shame anyone but researching and writing about this topic is one of my favorite hobbies.
Maybe I could write them on a blog or something and anyone who wants to discuss the ideas of the Hebrew Satanist cause can do it there.
If you found any of the posts humorous or thought provoking I can write much more;
I haven't even started writing poetry about the other Bibilical characters.
This discussion is where you decide to make Chillul Hashem, maybe even worse than Shabatai Tzvi... I am shocked and dismayed, not because I am such a pious yid, but because I strive with all my heart and soul to bring about the rectification of Israels blemish and you open a big wound here at JTF. I have truly been upset about your statements and I don't really know how to move forward.
ok. I am sorry if I upset you. You are a really cool guy I know that definitely and I don't want to upset you.
I rebuke you and your ideology. I hope you understand this is from a position of love and not anger.
Yes I do understand; you are doing your mitzvah to rebuke a wrongdoer.
But maybe there is something to my ideology;
The messiah must come and perhaps he will be the ultimate musical superstar.
Maybe I am him, the one that has been promised.
If I can get enough seats in the knesset or organize a paramilitary movement of weed smokers in the IDF, we can legalize weed, build the temple without too much violence and make music non stop forever.