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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
There are seven of them and people around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses. Nothing special at all. What the hell is wrong with the world? Why is everyone panicking?
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
There are seven of them and people around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses. Nothing special at all. What the hell is wrong with the world? Why is everyone panicking?
Coronavirus is just a class of viruses. Each of them is different. They have a unique genetic sequence, a unique contagiousness (R0), and a unique degree of mortality. SARS was a new one that came about in 2002. MERS was a new one in the middle east a few years ago. And this new one (SARS-COV2 / Covid19 / Wuhan virus) is of the same class but also very different.
This virus is more contagious than flu (2-3 times more), and is also more deadly than flu by 10-fold (best case) or 30-fold (worst case).
It is also capable of spreading before the person is symptomatic. Ie, a person contracts the virus but does not know it, and can spread it to others during that time. That makes outbreaks difficult to control.
Do the math on the R0 and CFR compared to flu, and you would have millions of people around the world dying from it.
That is why strong measures need to be taken to stop the spread of this virus. It is not panic to employ lockdowns and social distancing measures. It is rational strategy.
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If it's part of a well-known class of viruses, it cannot be vastly different from them. It is rational strategy if you want to remove Trump, make people forget about the Islamic invasion of Europe and take over foreign companies in China. The relatively high death rate in older people doesn't faze me at all because they are more susceptible to diseases anyway.
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If it's part of a well-known class of viruses, it cannot be vastly different from them. It is rational strategy if you want to remove Trump, make people forget about the Islamic invasion of Europe and take over foreign companies in China. The relatively high death rate in older people doesn't faze me at all because they are more susceptible to diseases anyway.
I thought too, that this corvid virus is not so dangerous. But some experts estimate, that 60 or even 70 percent of the population could be infected. Now take the mortality numbers that KWR has posted and calculate. This is for shure something extraordinary. And if it hits the population full without a vaccine it will be danerous. It is serious.
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Israel participates in hysteria proves he is part of the problem , only reason for their leaders for israel s existence is to manufacture crisis one after another , the current catastrophic apathy of population will lead to bloodshed .
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I thought too, that this corvid virus is not so dangerous. But some experts estimate, that 60 or even 70 percent of the population could be infected. Now take the mortality numbers that KWR has posted and calculate. This is for shure something extraordinary. And if it hits the population full without a vaccine it will be danerous. It is serious.
Pure speculation. Dangerous and serious compared to what? There are 125,000 abortions per day and no one cares.
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Israel participates in hysteria proves he is part of the problem , only reason for their leaders for israel s existence is to manufacture crisis one after another , the current catastrophic apathy of population will lead to bloodshed .
I agree this is a manufactured hysteria and crisis for political and economic gains.
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Milo Yiannopoulos talks to Alex Jones on the corona hysteria: https://youtu.be/kHX9pVYS7Ak
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If it's part of a well-known class of viruses, it cannot be vastly different from them. It is rational strategy if you want to remove Trump, make people forget about the Islamic invasion of Europe and take over foreign companies in China. The relatively high death rate in older people doesn't faze me at all because they are more susceptible to diseases anyway.
That's just false.
The common cold is often caused by a type of coronavirus. It doesn't cause pneumonia. This coronavirus is causing viral pneumonia in all the severe cases. Because the virus is different enough to have different behavior in the human body, different interactions with receptors, and different behavior in lung cells.
When you say that being part of the same class of viruses means they can't be vastly different from each other, would be like saying humans and chimps are both part of the primate class so they must not be vastly different. Lots of different primates are vastly different from each other.
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I agree this is a manufactured hysteria and crisis for political and economic gains.
Manufactured? Why are so many people in Italy dying from this?
And why do you ignore the data from the chart I posted above showing how different it is from the flu (which by the way is NOT a coronavirus)?
There is nothing manufactured about this. It's a deadly virus that is highly contagious.
Watch this video and see what is going on in Italy:
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1238868163208634371?s=20
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Milo Yiannopoulos talks to Alex Jones on the corona hysteria: https://youtu.be/kHX9pVYS7Ak
Two people who are not credible and have no relevant expertise in the subject of virology or public health.
The only "hysteria" is people hoarding supplies from stores. They are idiots and don't accomplish anything except harming the rest of us.
Everything else is necessary precaution. Crowds should not gather for a month or two, then reassess situation and see if medical system has things under control. Case numbers are exploding right now.
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I agree this is a manufactured hysteria and crisis for political and economic gains.
Trump is the incumbent. It is destroying his economy. This isn't good for him. Yet he is not disputing that this is a serious problem. He is an optimist, which is admirable, but even he has changed his tune as case numbers have exploded. He knows this is a serious threat and is making it clear we need to be proactive against it.
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Manufactured? Why are so many people in Italy dying from this?
And why do you ignore the data from the chart I posted above showing how different it is from the flu (which by the way is NOT a coronavirus)?
There is nothing manufactured about this. It's a deadly virus that is highly contagious.
Watch this video and see what is going on in Italy:
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1238868163208634371?s=20
Why should I NOT ignore a virus with a death rate below 1.5 percent in most age groups? The video shows old people with weakened immune systems dying. Chickenpox is a highly contagious disease caused by the varicella virus. Did you know that old people with varicella have a mortality rate of 15-18%?
By the way, you remember the Hong Kong protests? Me neither. Strange, huh?
In fact, Milo has the virus and he looks fine to me: https://youtu.be/1mhY-CAT5r4
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Why should I NOT ignore a virus with a death rate below 1.5 percent in most age groups? The video shows old people with weakened immune systems dying.
And you think "old people with weak immune systems" deserve to die? For what?
Is it true when it's an old person in YOUR family and in YOUR friends' families ? Or just the old people you don't know that you don't care about. It should go without saying here, but seems like you need to hear it, the Torah doesn't promote such a cavalier attitude about life and death, no matter the age involved.
These old people are also a risk to healthcare providers as there has been transmission from patients to caregivers, and some of the Chinese doctors who were young and healthy in their 30's died trying to treat these patients.
I posted this figure already before. See here http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,92380.msg690386.html#msg690386
1.5% is a high death rate, especially for a virus that spreads MORE THAN FLU! There are two aspects to this. I'm not sure why I have to repeat it so many times. Is it that you ignore it, or you just dismiss facts you don't like?
The R0 is higher than flu. R0 is how much a virus spreads. Flu infects millions of people and this is MORE contagious than flu. In addition to that, the mortality is also higher than flu.
Do the math on that, and it means that massive numbers of people would be infected by this if left unchecked and massive numbers would die. Millions. We want to prevent millions of people dying, even if most of them will be older than 60 years old and you don't give a crap about old people dying. Even if only less than 1% of 20 and 30 year olds would die from it, we don't want them to die either if we can prevent it.
The Torah values human life, even for old people that you for some reason don't like or care about. So selfish.
Chickenpox is a highly contagious disease caused by the varicella virus. Did you know that old people with varicella have a mortality rate of 15-18%?
There is immunity to varicella. There is also a vaccine now. Neither of these exist for covid19.
Aside from that, when children have chicken pox, you can see that pretty clearly. It's all over their face. Then you would know to keep them away from old people while they are contagious.
covid19 is spreading before people know they have it and before they have symptoms.
By the way, you remember the Hong Kong protests? Me neither. Strange, huh?
Yeah, and? That doesn't make this virus any less deadly than it is.
In fact, Milo has the virus and he looks fine to me: https://youtu.be/1mhY-CAT5r4
Anecdotal nonsense. A person in the hospital with the virus has the virus and doesn't look fine. Why would I care what Milo looks like?
It is very funny that you believe his claim of having the virus, attention wh-re that he is, but that's a separate issue. The anecdote means nothing regardless, even if it is true he tested positive.
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Look here is the actual COVID-19 Dashboard for Germany. All the Data from the Robert Koch Institute and other gouvernment sources you find here. The growth of the virus is exponentiell! Death rate since now 0,248. But before it was 0 then 0,033 then 0,1. So it is growing too.
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4 (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4)
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The chart above surely depicts the dangers of this grave sickness.
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And you think "old people with weak immune systems" deserve to die? It should go without saying here, but seems like you need to hear it, the Torah doesn't promote such a cavalier attitude about life and death, no matter the age involved.
1.5% is a high death rate, especially for a virus that spreads MORE THAN FLU! There are two aspects to this. I'm not sure why I have to repeat it so many times. Is it that you ignore it, or you just dismiss facts you don't like?
Me not buying your hysterical nonsense = old people deserve to die? You need help and I don't need Torah lessons from you.
You mean like you dismiss the 125 000 children murdered every single day while people like you worry about a virus that MIGHT spread and MIGHT cause death in 1.5% of the cases? Talk about a cavalier attitude to life and death. You may not be able to understand this, but the world has bigger problems than a stupid virus.
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Me not buying your hysterical nonsense = old people deserve to die? You need help and I don't need Torah lessons from you.
You mean like you dismiss the 125 000 children murdered every single day while people like you worry about a virus that MIGHT spread and MIGHT cause death in 1.5% of the cases? Talk about a cavalier attitude to life and death. You may not be able to understand this, but the world has bigger problems than a stupid virus.
Not to mention mosquitoes. He's ignoring mosquitoes by mentioning it too. What angry retard Herr Jones and Faggy Milo talk about is not relevant to anyone. Spanish flu was the last major virus like this. It hit mostly old people too, about 4% overall mortality, and it killed millions. Even if you don't die from this, pnemonia is not something you want to ever get, it's a nighmare and makes complications forever.
You said we shouldn't worry about it spreading by doing all these things, it's just killing old people. That's not true, a 35 year old died from it, anyone without a great respiratory system could die, and all these people who get it could suffer in their respiratory systems for the rest of their lives G-d forbid. You calling his scientific facts "hysterical nonsense" is something else other the part where you're saying you don't care if old people die.
Just because not everyone gets sick when they're bit by a wild animal, you still make a fence, getting bit is like getting a disease like this, it still sucks even if you make it out.
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Not to mention mosquitoes. He's ignoring mosquitoes by mentioning it too. What angry retard Herr Jones and Faggy Milo talk about is not relevant to anyone. Spanish flu was the last major virus like this. It hit mostly old people too, about 4% overall mortality, and it killed millions. Even if you don't die from this, pnemonia is not something you want to ever get, it's a nighmare and makes complications forever.
You said we shouldn't worry about it spreading by doing all these things, it's just killing old people. That's not true, a 35 year old died from it, anyone without a great respiratory system could die, and all these people who get it could suffer in their respiratory systems for the rest of their lives G-d forbid. You calling his scientific facts "hysterical nonsense" is something else other the part where you're saying you don't care if old people die.
Just because not everyone gets sick when they're bit by a wild animal, you still make a fence, getting bit is like getting a disease like this, it still sucks even if you make it out.
I never said I don't care if old people die. If you put words in my mouth, you're not arguing what I actually said. You're arguing with yourself.
The greatest death rate occurs in old people. That's a statement of fact. It's not wishing death upon anyone. If you want to ignore the real problems in the world and obsess about this virus, go ahead.
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I never said I don't care if old people die. If you put words in my mouth, you're not arguing what I actually said. You're arguing with yourself.
The greatest death rate occurs in old people. That's a statement of fact. It's not wishing death upon anyone. If you want to ignore the real problems in the world and obsess about this virus, go ahead.
We're not ignoring the real problems in the world. I seriously doubt anyone here is pro abortion. If there's a disease that is super contagious pnemonia, so it'll hurt you and kill the elderly G-d forbid, you want to avoid it.
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Me not buying your hysterical nonsense = old people deserve to die? You need help and I don't need Torah lessons from you.
You mean like you dismiss the 125 000 children murdered every single day while people like you worry about a virus that MIGHT spread and MIGHT cause death in 1.5% of the cases? Talk about a cavalier attitude to life and death. You may not be able to understand this, but the world has bigger problems than a stupid virus.
When did I say I support abortion? I don't. Nice deflection.
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We're not ignoring the real problems in the world. I seriously doubt anyone here is pro abortion. If there's a disease that is super contagious pnemonia, so it'll hurt you and kill the elderly G-d forbid, you want to avoid it.
Bingo.
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When did I say I support abortion? I don't. Nice deflection.
When did I say you support abortion? The problem is you obviously don't care about it nearly as much as this corona bull.
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We're not ignoring the real problems in the world. I seriously doubt anyone here is pro abortion. If there's a disease that is super contagious pnemonia, so it'll hurt you and kill the elderly G-d forbid, you want to avoid it.
In other words, you will crash the world economy in order to avoid pneumonia. Got it.
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:usa+israel: :fist:
I concur with Kahane Was Right BT. The current and
potential severity of this modern "plague" should not
be underestimated. That's not to say that the other issues
affecting today's world should be ignored,marginalized or undermined in any way, but this one has to take priority for now.
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When did I say you support abortion? The problem is you obviously don't care about it nearly as much as this corona bull.
I can do something to stop the spread of corona. I can't do anything here to stop abortions. I know everything about abortions and don't need to be educated here. I don't know enough about corona and am looking for facts here.
Whenever Rabbi Mizrachi or Yaron Reuven talk about wasting seed, 600 people show up in the comments and say well there are pedophiles and you talk of this and not them so you support or don't care about pedophiles. I can only discuss one issue at once. Abortion is a real issue and so is corona virus. I didn't forget every other issue just because I'm currently interested in this one.
In other words, you will crash the world economy in order to avoid pneumonia. Got it.
60% of the world with a respiratory disease has economic costs associated with it. A situation like this doesn't cause a crash. The economy will hit a recession which will clear right up the second quarantine measures end. Also tens of millions of lives saved.
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How about if I put it this way:
The 'cold' does not cause hospitals to be flooded out to the street.
Neither does the flu.
The new virus has already done so in a month.
One of the worst dictatorships had to weld metal bars to people's homes to contain the new virus.
Winnie the Pooh went into hiding for months.
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Hrvatski Noahid, if you get exposed to a COVID19 carrier you must go into quarantine. This is a matter of pikuach nefesh. People who are careless about being contagious are really commingling a terrible sin.
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Hrvatski Noahid, if you get exposed to a COVID19 carrier you must go into quarantine. This is a matter of pikuach nefesh. People who are careless about being contagious are really commingling a terrible sin.
I heard last night that cafes and restaurants will close in my country because of this. Do you have any idea how this affects an economy dependent on tourism? When the suicide rate rises, as it will, will you be responsible for all those lost lives?
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When did I say you support abortion? The problem is you obviously don't care about it nearly as much as this corona bull.
You speak out of both sides of your mouth.
You're not saying I support abortion, you're just saying I don't care about it?
That feels to you like a genuine argument you're making?
When you call this "corona bull" it shows that you just don't grasp the situation or are in denial of the facts. You can't dispute a single thing I've said, so you resort to this type of dismissal, such as "it's all bull" or "you don't care about abortions enough!" Neither of those are substantive arguments, neither of them address the point. It's ad hominem fallacies left and right with you as your primary form of argument.
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I heard last night that cafes and restaurants will close in my country because of this. Do you have any idea how this affects an economy dependent on tourism? When the suicide rate rises, as it will, will you be responsible for all those lost lives?
I don't think you understand that the economy already went into a recession *because of the virus* and before the substantial distancing measures were put into place like closing down gatherings in a mandatory fashion.
I don't think you comprehend just how astronomical the numbers were going to get if we did NOT shut down gatherings, and how much worse that would become for the economy.
The social distancing solution is a temporary effort. It gets the situation under control, limits the spread, saves lives, and allows more time for medicines to be developed. The economy can recover from that much faster than letting this go unchecked. Yes, life will be more uncomfortable for a little while. I think we can all handle that.
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You speak out of both sides of your mouth.
You're not saying I support abortion, you're just saying I don't care about it?
That feels to you like a genuine argument you're making?
When you call this "corona bull" it shows that you just don't grasp the situation or are in denial of the facts. You can't dispute a single thing I've said, so you resort to this type of dismissal, such as "it's all bull" or "you don't care about abortions enough!" Neither of those are substantive arguments, neither of them address the point. It's ad hominem fallacies left and right with you as your primary form of argument.
I'm saying there are bigger problems and you are utterly unable to understand that. Since you accuse your opponent of being selfish and wanting old people to die, I don't think you should mention ad hominem fallacies.
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I don't think you understand that the economy already went into a recession *because of the virus* and before the substantial distancing measures were put into place like closing down gatherings in a mandatory fashion.
I don't think you comprehend just how astronomical the numbers were going to get if we did NOT shut down gatherings, and how much worse that would become for the economy.
The social distancing solution is a temporary effort. It gets the situation under control, limits the spread, saves lives, and allows more time for medicines to be developed. The economy can recover from that much faster than letting this go unchecked. Yes, life will be more uncomfortable for a little while. I think we can all handle that.
The Croatian economy was doing just fine before your fear campaign. Your speculations about what would have or could have happened don't impress me.
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It is still growing exponentiell!
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/ (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/)
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It is still growing exponentiell!
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/ (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/)
If I tell you the mortality rate is 0.216 % according to your source, will it help calm you down?
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If I tell you the mortality rate is 0.216 % according to your source, will it help calm you down?
No one wants a viral pneumonia to spread and become the new norm. We kill this thing now.
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From Rabbi Michael Skobac:
The virus is called Corona, in Hebrew קרא נא, which means please call out (to Me). How should we call out to Hashem?
The virus is also called Covid-19 – the word Covid shows up in a Mishnah at the beginning of the fifth perek of masechet Berachot. It says there אין עומדין להתפלל אלא מתוך כובד דראש – a person should not get up to pray unless he has covid rosh."
What is covid? Rashi says it means humility, recognizing we are nothing and we can’t do anything without Hashem. We need to call out to Him with covid(humility). And what should we call out? 19 – the 19 berachot of the Amida.
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0.2% is not low risk when it comes to life. In Italy it's currently more like 10% lethality, but of course you don't care about old people.
Also given the demographics of the developed countries, in case of a universal infection rate (i.e 2/3 of total population) the death rate is going to be 3%.
If I tell you the mortality rate is 0.216 % according to your source, will it help calm you down?
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but of course you don't care about old people.
You people are insane. I'm done with this discussion.
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You people are insane. I'm done with this discussion.
So what you're less crazy than us now? Just go with it.
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0.2% is not low risk when it comes to life. In Italy it's currently more like 10% lethality, but of course you don't care about old people.
Also given the demographics of the developed countries, in case of a universal infection rate (i.e 2/3 of total population) the death rate is going to be 3%.
It is now 0,2, because the people get just infected. It says nothing about the end. This we can know only later if most people will be healed but some will have died.
The rate will be higher than. Perhaps not as high as in Italy, but 0,2 is not the end of the story. I will update you.
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I"m a bit horrified to see some fellow JTFer's reactions to this.
This virus is no joke. Yes it won't kill many healthy individuals. However this thing is so contagious that one person can spread it to a bunch of people. And of that bunch of people 2 percent is lethal on average.
If we go about not following recommendations and not being vigiliant and you go about walking around nonchalantly, like they did in Italy, you may be spreading it and becoming an accessory to murder.
Humble yourself and stay home if you can.
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:usa+israel: :fist:
I concur with Kahane Was Right BT. The current and
potential severity of this modern "plague" should not
be underestimated. That's not to say that the other issues
affecting today's world should be ignored,marginalized or undermined in any way, but this one has to take priority for now.
logical and excellent to the point
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I heard last night that cafes and restaurants will close in my country because of this. Do you have any idea how this affects an economy dependent on tourism? When the suicide rate rises, as it will, will you be responsible for all those lost lives?
which is more important. The death of millions of people including family members or the economy?
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From Rabbi Michael Skobac:
The virus is called Corona, in Hebrew קרא נא, which means please call out (to Me). How should we call out to Hashem?
The virus is also called Covid-19 – the word Covid shows up in a Mishnah at the beginning of the fifth perek of masechet Berachot. It says there אין עומדין להתפלל אלא מתוך כובד דראש – a person should not get up to pray unless he has covid rosh."
What is covid? Rashi says it means humility, recognizing we are nothing and we can’t do anything without Hashem. We need to call out to Him with covid(humility). And what should we call out? 19 – the 19 berachot of the Amida.
:clap:
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I"m a bit horrified to see my fellow JTFer's reactions to this.
This virus is no joke. Yes it won't kill many healthy individuals. However this thing is so contagious that one person can spread it to a bunch of people. And of that bunch of people 2 percent is lethal.
If we go about not buying it and go about walking around nonchalantly, like they did in Italy, you may be spreading it and becoming an accessory to murder.
This is my fear too. For most of us it is not lethal. But if it finds the vulnarable persons it will be very bad outcome.
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This is my fear too. For most of us it is not lethal. But if it finds the vulnarable persons it will be very bad outcome.
I've been stuck at home since Saturday since the panic became much stronger. It's very painful and I'm starting to go stir crazy. However, I'm taking the opportunity to wear tfillin regularly, read Jewish books, spend time with wife and kids, and come on the forum.
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which is more important. The death of millions of people including family members or the economy?
Of cause the persons. But I think we have to balance between the interests to some degree.
If we go to far on the side of protection, it can cause more death. This is also something to think about.
In my country i.e. some people say the economy should be in shutdown for two years. I don't see how there will be enough food and medicaments produced to save peoples life.
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I've been stuck at home since Saturday since the panic became much stronger. It's very painful and I'm starting to go stir crazy. However, I'm taking the opportunity to wear tfillin regularly, read Jewish books, spend time with wife and kids, and come on the forum.
You make good use of the time. Hope so they find quickly a vacine.
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How about some good news?
-China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them. (that's propaganda but whatever)
- Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.
- Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.
- A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.
- Apple reopens all 42 china stores,
- Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.
- Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.
- Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.
- Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.
- 3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.
- A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.
- A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.
- Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.
- All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.
- Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.
So it's not all bad news. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vulnerable.
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which is more important. The death of millions of people including family members or the economy?
Obviously you never owned a business and you don't know much about the economy. The world economy cannot sustain an artificial lockdown. An economic depression will cause suicide, murder, theft and collapse of the legal system. Courts are closed in my country. It's a matter of time before people start killing each other in order to find basic goods. Regardless of the virus, stopping the world economy was a massive mistake. If you think I'm wrong, just wait and see what happens.
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Obviously you never owned a business and you don't know much about the economy. The world economy cannot sustain an artificial lockdown. An economic depression will cause suicide, murder, theft and collapse of the legal system. Courts are closed in my country. It's a matter of time before people start killing each other in order to find basic goods. Regardless of the virus, stopping the world economy was a massive mistake. If you think I'm wrong, just wait and see what happens.
It's two weeks to stop the curve. Things will start reopening soon. If it saves 40 million people, as cold as this sounds, it's economically advantageous to lock everything down a few weeks. Beyond that it isn't.
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It's two weeks to stop the curve. Things will start reopening soon. If it saves 40 million people, as cold as this sounds, it's economically advantageous to lock everything down a few weeks. Beyond that it isn't.
That's not the period of time I'm hearing about. I'm hearing people talking about months or even a year of lockdown. I still think any lockdown is a colossal mistake.
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Obviously you never owned a business and you don't know much about the economy.
GREED!
As for the economy,
Here in USA, govt is providing aid to help businesses and hopefully workers too, to bridge through this difficulty.
This will also help the fastest recovery possible when the virus is defeated.
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Obviously you never owned a business and you don't know much about the economy. The world economy cannot sustain an artificial lockdown. An economic depression will cause suicide, murder, theft and collapse of the legal system. Courts are closed in my country. It's a matter of time before people start killing each other in order to find basic goods. Regardless of the virus, stopping the world economy was a massive mistake. If you think I'm wrong, just wait and see what happens.
Mistake: it’s not made up and it’s not artificial.
2. Mistake to shut down banks and certain businesses. Your country unnecessarily causing extra panic.
3. My business is small and I’m my own boss. I try not to be in debt and make sure I don’t live well above my means. I faith in God to whatever He decides to do to me or for me. I know that times like these are difficult and probably to others more than me. At the same time I have been giving to chiruv charities with higher amounts more than usual and with God’s help God willing give more during this crisis. In the end, being that I’m not the Jew God expects me to be, if my days should ever get numbered I have at least this act have charity to ease His judgement in the next world. Money will come and go. We can’t take it with us and the surplus after we die generally turns to dust. God willing these next few weeks and months I can work on reflecting on my past behavior and make changes for the best and for once not worry about money and economies. As long as I have food clothing health roof over my head, thank God. And if He needs to judge or test me, thank God (although I pray everyday not to have these tests).
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GREED!
As for the economy,
Here in USA, govt is providing aid to help businesses and hopefully workers too, to bridge through this difficulty.
This will also help the fastest recovery possible when the virus is defeated.
You can scream greed all you want. It won't help. The governments which are causing the problem are helping to solve it? I would laugh if I were not dead inside.
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Mistake: it’s not made up and it’s not artificial.
2. Mistake to shut down banks and certain businesses. Your country unnecessarily causing extra panic.
3. My business is small and I’m my own boss. I try not to be in debt and make sure I don’t live well above my means. I faith in God to whatever He decides to do to me or for me. I know that times like these are difficult and probably to others more than me. At the same time I have been giving to chiruv charities with higher amounts more than usual and with God’s help God willing give more during this crisis. In the end, being that I’m not the Jew God expects me to be, if my days should ever get numbered I have at least this act have charity to ease His judgement in the next world. Money will come and go. We can’t take it with us and the surplus after we die generally turns to dust. God willing these next few weeks and months I can work on reflecting on my past behavior and make changes for the best and for once not worry about money and economies. As long as I have food clothing health roof over my head, thank God. And if He needs to judge or test me, thank God (although I pray everyday not to have these tests).
Dan, if the times are difficult, we don't need to make them more difficult. Unless this lockdown is stopped, it will destroy the world. I am certain there are worse Jews than you. You should judge yourself favorably.
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Dan, if the times are difficult, we don't need to make them more difficult. Unless this lockdown is stopped, it will destroy the world. I am certain there are worse Jews than you. You should judge yourself favorably.
I was in contact with my mourning brother in law who 3 days later got a fever. Then he got tested and found out he had corona. I feel no symptoms but could very well be a carrier and go to work and do my normal thing and infect 100’s of people.
And for that matter it can be anyone in my position.
Regarding judging myself. Big mistake for some to judge himself favorably and to call himself righteous. Compared to evil people maybe I’m righteous. Compared to religious Jews who follow the mitzvot all their lives, I’m wicked. So no I refuse to judge myself favorably. My advice is to check your ego at the door and always work on yourself.
In your case we know what you need to work on.......
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In your case we know what you need to work on.......
I'm not sure what you mean by that. What exactly do I need to work on? If you're going to punch me below the belt, at least be specific.
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I was in contact with my mourning brother in law who 3 days later got a fever. Then he got tested and found out he had corona. I feel no symptoms but could very well be a carrier and go to work and do my normal thing and infect 100’s of people.
And for that matter it can be anyone in my position.
Regarding judging myself. Big mistake for some to judge himself favorably and to call himself righteous. Compared to evil people maybe I’m righteous. Compared to religious Jews who follow the mitzvot all their lives, I’m wicked. So no I refuse to judge myself favorably. My advice is to check your ego at the door and always work on yourself.
In your case we know what you need to work on.......
This is not the halacha. Pirkei avot says you must always judge yourself 50-50. One more sin and you have no share in the world to come and nothing, one more mitzvah and you have olam haba and eternal life. If you judge yourself as good, then you say I'm good, no need for more mitzvot and bad, I'm already bad so what's the point.
For me in that, put me in yeshiva and around Jews I do great. Alone in the mountains in constant pain, the tinest mizvah I really liked is like pulling teeth here.
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Now that we have real numbers to work with other than the filthy Chinese communist lies, things aren't looking that bad. Most of what promoted the shutdown was fear, thought China had really cremated hundreds of thousands from the sulfur clouds. Maybe they still did, but doesn't prove the disease was anything. It's best if the lockdown continues for the rest of the 15 days so we don't lose a fifth of the old people on Earth, this will bring it down to 1/50, and then we can all get back to work.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/03/italy-99-coronavirus-fatalities-had-medical-daniel-greenfield/
Italy: 99% of Coronavirus Fatalities Had Medical Problems
Wed Mar 18, 2020 Daniel Greenfield
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This isn't really surprising, but we didn't have good numbers coming out of China. It's a safe bet that anything (and I do mean anything) coming out of the Peeps is tainted. That takes us down to South Korea and Italy. Our experts have used Italy as a warning of what happens if we don't take immediate action. Italy was the nightmare scenario. That's what panicked the UK and US governments.
And now we have a breakdown of the fatalities out of Italy.
More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.
The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.
The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5.
That high age may explain the presence of other medical conditions. 63% of people over 60 tend to have high blood pressure. So it's a chicken and the egg question.
Italy does have one of the world's oldest populations.
As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.
Again, not a real surprise, but it confirms what we already know.
According to the GIMBE Foundation, about 100,000 Italians have contracted the virus, daily Il Sole 24 Ore reported. That would bring back the country’s death rate closer to the global average of about 2%.
We'll see what the numbers look like as testing becomes more extensive and the infected population grows.
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Things aren't looking that bad. Most of what promoted the shutdown was fear.
The same fear campaign, just a different year. Can we please worry about the economy now?
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The same fear campaign, just a different year. Can we please worry about the economy now?
This was unique in that there were sulphur clouds the size of football stadiums coming out of the "hospitals" China was making. Everyone who analyzed it estimated they had cremated at least a hundred thousand. Then they said it's ok and racist not to accept them, so the logical assumption was they were trying to destroy us. They also refused to share info on the disease with the CDC, other than fake stats, so we had to assume the worst.
We can worry about the economy at the end of the 15 days. The numbers still justify it, don't want half the baby boomers to go the way of the Italians, then after looks like we're clear. South Korea is an excellent example on how to respond to it.
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We can worry about the economy at the end of the 15 days. The numbers still justify it, don't want half the baby boomers to go the way of the Italians, then after looks like we're clear. South Korea is an excellent example on how to respond to it.
You think this lockdown will actually last 15 days? That's not true. It will last as long as it takes them to reset the global economy, because that was the plan all along.
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You think this lockdown will actually last 15 days? That's not true. It will last as long as it takes them to reset the global economy, because that was the plan all along.
I am not a prophet nor do I know whose plan you are talking about nor how you know the plan. Other people, who I assume know as much as you, say this is just to take away all the rights of people and make America totalitarian. Maybe they're going around Trump's back to do it super sneakily.
I am not in control of the lockdowns of the world. Trump said 15 days to slow the spread. We are still getting new cases but it has been drastically reduced. Again, we can't have something like a highly contagious pneumonia becoming the seasonal flu. I am for the current lockdown. When the 15 is over, we can discuss the economic loss, leading to loss of life, of the lockdown vs. loss of old people life.
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I am not a prophet nor do I know whose plan you are talking about nor how you know the plan. Other people, who I assume know as much as you, say this is just to take away all the rights of people and make America totalitarian. Maybe they're going around Trump's back to do it super sneakily.
I am not in control of the lockdowns of the world. Trump said 15 days to slow the spread. We are still getting new cases but it has been drastically reduced. Again, we can't have something like a highly contagious pneumonia becoming the seasonal flu. I am for the current lockdown. When the 15 is over, we can discuss the economic loss, leading to loss of life, of the lockdown vs. loss of old people life.
I have reliable sources. I don't know who is doing it, but I know what they're doing. I guess if Dan knew what I know he wouldn't imply I'm a heartless bastard.
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I have reliable sources. I don't know who is doing it, but I know what they're doing. I guess if Dan knew what I know he wouldn't imply I'm a heartless bastard.
Yes I can quote over 40 sources saying it. They're all dumb conspiracy theorists.
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Coronavirus Numbers: Nightly Update: March 18, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
Posted at 11:00 pm on March 18, 2020 by Mike Ford
Coronavirus Numbers: Nightly Update: March 18, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
President Donald Trump speaks during a press briefing with the coronavirus task force, in the Brady press briefing room at the White House, Monday, March 16, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Coronavirus Numbers: Nightly Update
March 18, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
This is the second in a series of nightly updates regarding Coronavirus numbers in these United States.
As I indicated in a previous articles, the trend line in American Coronavirus fatalities might be grounds for some cautious optimism. As of 2359 GMT, March 18, 2020 the U.S. Mortality Rate (M/R) calculated by dividing the number of reported U.S. Infections into the number of reported U.S Fatalities was 1.62%. This number has been steadily declining since March 3, when the rate was over 7%.
Red State will continue to publish this Coronavirus Update that shows total reported U.S. Cases and Total U.S. Fatalities from the disease, along with appropriate commentary regarding any observable trends.
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Coronavirus Numbers: Nightly Update: March 18, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
On the left, this first chart shows the data table, starting February 29, the date of the first reported U.S fatality. On the right, are two graphical representations of the data. The top graph shows the steady decline of the Mortality Rate. As you can see from the numbers on the left and chart on the upper right, today showed a slight flattening of the downward trend of the M/R. Having said that, one day or even two, does not make a trend.
The bottom graph shows the total U.S Fatalities. Over time what we hope to see is that line take a more gradual slope and eventually become horizontal. As with the above chart, we had hoped to see some indication of flattening. Early reports today indicated that possibility, but late arriving reports shoved the slope back towards vertical.
Coronavirus Numbers: Nightly Update: March 18, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
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This chart is a “What If” graphic. It represents the M/R for reported infections. It also shows the M/R if we assume for each reported case of Coronavirus, there are 1, 2 or 3 other persons out there with it. For today’s report
M/R = 1.62%
+1 = 0.81%
+2 = 0.54%
+3 = 0.41%
We hope this is of some value. Whether it is or isn’t, please let me know in the comments.
Prayers for all the folks on the front lines of this effort who are putting themselves at risk on our behalf.
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0.0 % mortality rate! Everybody, run!
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Yes I can quote over 40 sources saying it. They're all dumb conspiracy theorists.
Keep telling yourself that. Now go worry about the virus.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. What exactly do I need to work on? If you're going to punch me below the belt, at least be specific.
your ego..that's what you need to work on.. God hates ego.. He loves humility and humble people. Take the time in this crisis..whether made up or real to work on your ego. That's what I meant.
The world is in a crisis (fake to you; real to me). Take the opportunity to focus on yourself.
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your ego..that's what you need to work on.. God hates ego.. I love humility and humble people. Take the time in this crisis..whether made up or real to work on your ego and to bring your ego down. That's what I mean.
Strange. I gave you a compliment, and you respond by telling me to work on my ego. I don't think I am egotistical because I use humor to satirize what I see as foolishness. Chaim does it. Surely JTFers can do it, too. Ego? I left my old religion to worship your God.
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Strange. I gave you a compliment, and you respond by telling me to work on my ego. I don't think I am egotistical because I use humor to satirize what I see as foolishness. Chaim does it. Surely JTFers can do it, too. By the way, if I were egotistical, I wouldn't sacrifice everything in my life to worship your God.
My God?!
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My God?!
Yes, your God. The Jewish God, the God of Israel. He is not called the God of Croats, you know.
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0.0 % mortality rate! Everybody, run!
That's not what it says, and that rate will G-d forbid climb as people either recover or G-d forbid otherwise.
See that chart where there's a huge spike? You don't do anything for the first 15 days, that thing grows like Italy's. You do, it stays at that lower part.
My God?!
Well while technically you can say the only G-d, we call him the G-d of Israel so it's not like he's saying there's another one or something with that.
Strange. I gave you a compliment, and you respond by telling me to work on my ego. I don't think I am egotistical because I use humor to satirize what I see as foolishness. Chaim does it. Surely JTFers can do it, too. By the way, if I were egotistical, I wouldn't sacrifice everything in my life to worship your God.
I don't think that's why he's calling you egotistical bud. I said the same thing as you, sort of. If I wasn't egotistical, I wouldn't give up my house and money and friends and everything to go to yeshiva for 6 months and break my back sitting. Discovered with enough Torah that I was still super egotistical, and know for sure I still have pockets of it to hunt down. If you didn't have any ego, there wouldn't be a need for you to suffer here unless Hashem is just keeping you around to benefit the world, which is a point of having tzadikim around.
The danger in working on it is that you give up and just move to a "pathetic" (meaning the opposite of inflated, not as the word is used in English) ego, where you say I'm so crap G-d forbid, which is generally a harder to remove form of ego. It's kind of impossible for anyone to legitimately chastise you for ego since we all have it and it would be hypocrisy, but it's fine to tell you that it goes without saying we all need to work on our egos.
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It's kind of impossible for anyone to legitimately chastise you for ego since we all have it and it would be hypocrisy, but it's fine to tell you that it goes without saying we all need to work on our egos.
That's all well and good, but he wasn't talking about all of us, was he? He was talking specifically about my ego. Again, strange. It must be the Croatophobia kicking in.
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That's all well and good, but he wasn't talking about all of us, was he? He was talking specifically about my ego. Again, strange. It must be the Croatophobia kicking in.
Nah dude. Like I try to do it with beating around the bush, but you're hitting a few levels of righteousness. When that happens "the sin of the righteous is pride", and that brings you back down to lower than 0. Good news is you can get right back. A Rabbi was talking to a student who was putting everyone down for lack of piety in a yeshiva and he said, "oh, you learned all this Torah and all you can do with it is insult your fellow Jew? You didn't become a tzadik, you became a rasha. We thank Hashem about 4 times daily for making us Jews, because he could have made us in a completely idolatrous place G-d forbid and it would be extremely difficult to find our way to Hashem, as you surely can attest to.
It's really complicated to say anything when it comes to ego, because it twists into everything. Sometimes you say something completely right and beautiful to boot, but the way it comes off is like "I'm better than them", and I don't really know how to unravel the beautiful things in you from the egotistical ones and explain, so I don't really say anything.
It's like, I'd probably happy to have a beer with you, but someone who isn't really righteous, it would be more likely that you push him away than bring him to Hashem, but then again some people respond to that better, so it's really too nuanced.
Saying you have ego for us is like a social worker trying to diagnose you as a psychologist, we might notice signs but everyone needs a professional there. I call my Rabbi when I find something in me that I think is ego so he can help me work it out, that's the only course of action I know to recommend.
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Nah dude. Like I try to do it with beating around the bush, but you're hitting a few levels of righteousness. When that happens "the sin of the righteous is pride", and that brings you back down to lower than 0. Good news is you can get right back. A Rabbi was talking to a student who was putting everyone down for lack of piety in a yeshiva and he said, "oh, you learned all this Torah and all you can do with it is insult your fellow Jew? You didn't become a tzadik, you became a rasha. We thank Hashem about 4 times daily for making us Jews, because he could have made us in a completely idolatrous place G-d forbid and it would be extremely difficult to find our way to Hashem, as you surely can attest to.
It's really complicated to say anything when it comes to ego, because it twists into everything. Sometimes you say something completely right and beautiful to boot, but the way it comes off is like "I'm better than them", and I don't really know how to unravel the beautiful things in you from the egotistical ones and explain, so I don't really say anything.
It's like, I'd probably happy to have a beer with you, but someone who isn't really righteous, it would be more likely that you push him away than bring him to Hashem, but then again some people respond to that better, so it's really too nuanced.
Saying you have ego for us is like a social worker trying to diagnose you as a psychologist, we might notice signs but everyone needs a professional there. I call my Rabbi when I find something in me that I think is ego so he can help me work it out, that's the only course of action I know to recommend.
What I do and how I do it is in accordance with what my Rabbi teaches. Only Hashem knows my exact "level." The Rebbe said that "the real difference between Jacob and Esau was Jacob’s concern to develop goodness further, versus Esau’s goal of transforming bad into good. Esau was the kind of man who struggles with evil in all its forms and—ideally—conquers it. He had this transformative quality from before birth: while still in womb he struggled to emerge when his mother passed an idolatrous temple, because he wanted to change it from bad to good." https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/99748/jewish/Esau-the-Transformer.htm
I do see myself as a physical and/or spiritual Edomite. Perhaps that's why when I see evil I don't run away. I fight it and want to destroy it.
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Yes, your God. The Jewish God, the God of Israel. He is not called the God of Croats, you know.
Is He not your god also? Or do you believe we have a few gods..One of the Jews and one of the Croats and one of the American and one of the Indians etc?
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What I do and how I do it is in accordance with what my Rabbi teaches. Only Hashem knows my exact "level." The Rebbe said that "the real difference between Jacob and Esau was Jacob’s concern to develop goodness further, versus Esau’s goal of transforming bad into good. Esau was the kind of man who struggles with evil in all its forms and—ideally—conquers it. He had this transformative quality from before birth: while still in womb he struggled to emerge when his mother passed an idolatrous temple, because he wanted to change it from bad to good." https://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/99748/jewish/Esau-the-Transformer.htm
I do see myself as a physical and/or spiritual Edomite. Perhaps that's why when I see evil I don't run away. I fight it and want to destroy it.
It's not the information you're putting out or what you're doing, it's how you present and do it. For passover, Jews have to search the whole house with a candle for specks of leavening. This is compared to searching your soul with the light of Torah for ego. It's easy when you have a loaf on the table or some big obvious egotistical thing, take it get rid of it no sweat. When it's specks, you've really got to work. I see you admitting faults and opening up about things that cause you pain, and yeah, it's a big deal to sacrifice your world for Hashem, so you're not really that egostical. There are crumbs, and you need to find them with a candle, it's very tedious work. But like a Jew who leaves chametz on Pesach has no share in the world to come, The Jewish Idea teaches us that the purpose of Torah and the mitzvot is to remove our ego, and Rabbi Mizrachi brought the source in a lecture that only people that remove their bad traits (midot) will have eternal life.
Is He not your god also? Or do you believe we have a few gods..One of the Jews and one of the Croats and one of the American and one of the Indians etc?
He's clearly not saying that. Just stressing the quality that he had to lech lecha to something his countrymen wouldn't understand and probably not give him respect for.
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Is He not your god also? Or do you believe we have a few gods..One of the Jews and one of the Croats and one of the American and one of the Indians etc?
He wasn't my God when I was a child. You will never understand the sacrifices I had to make in order to make your God mine.
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It's how you present and do it.
Your argument reminds me of Litvaks who criticize Chabad for believing the Rebbe was holy. It's not that the Rebbe wasn't holy. It's how they do it.
You guys are fun and all, but I need to eat. It's not like we can do much else since you locked the whole world down.
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Your argument reminds me of Litvaks who criticize Chabad for believing the Rebbe was holy. It's not that the Rebbe wasn't holy. It's how they do it.
You guys are fun and all, but I need to eat. It's not like we can do much else since you locked the whole world down.
It's more about thinking he's not dead and just practicing a bit of social distancing in his tomb before he stretches and goes all Moshiach. I don't really see the connection. It's about presenting things in a humble manner. It's not impossible to do, just takes effort and time.
15 days is almost through. As a prepper, from my childhood I always knew you must have two months of all essentials stored, and a suitcase packed with everything you need to leave the country. I watch those who run for toilet paper and those that scream at them for buying an extra roll and laugh.
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That's all well and good, but he wasn't talking about all of us, was he? He was talking specifically about my ego. Again, strange. It must be the Croatophobia kicking in.
we all need to work on our egos..including me.
don't care which country you came from. Your attitude on this corona thing needs to be corrected.
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we all need to work on our egos..including me.
don't care which country you came from. Your attitude on this corona thing needs to be corrected.
You know Dan, I suffer severe depression. This lockdown is the last thing my mental health needs right now. I also don't need you judging my attitude and character. If you can't understand that I sincerely disagree with your position on the coronavirus, can you please just leave me alone?
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The virus is called the Democratic party! LOL
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The virus is called the Democratic party! LOL
A lockdown to get rid of them would save lives and money lol.
You know Dan, I suffer severe depression. This lockdown is the last thing my mental health needs right now. I also don't need you judging my attitude and character. If you can't understand that I sincerely disagree with your position on the coronavirus, can you please just leave me alone?
I know someone else with depression and they keep calling everyone in my family just to have someone to talk to. I've had it before, lockdown or little blade of grass, everything is depressing, like a mask over your eyes. Weed helped it. Sex with women is more effective.
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Sex with women is more effective.
Yes. Yes it is. And I don't have that.
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Yes. Yes it is. And I don't have that.
Kinda like the chicken and the egg though. If you want a girl because you're depressed, it comes off as needy and people who want emotional dependents can get dogs. Got a find a way to love the skin you're in and then you'll be more attractive.
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You know Dan, I suffer severe depression. This lockdown is the last thing my mental health needs right now. I also don't need you judging my attitude and character. If you can't understand that I sincerely disagree with your position on the coronavirus, can you please just leave me alone?
Why do you suffer from severe depression?
I understand what you're saying in that regard. You are in a situation where you need to work for your mental healthy. To a lesser degree to you, I'm very antsy to be home and not making money and on my normal routine. However when life gives you corona, you make corona juice (beer) out of it. No matter how you may feel about this ridiculous situation, make it an opportunity to work on yourself, your shortcomings, your family if they are around, your relationship with God (the only God).
This corona situation is bigger than all of us.. fake or real..so still make the most of it.
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More good news. Safe existing drug treatment and prevention. Looks like this thing is going to die soon. B"H. Guess we don't need a new vaccine.
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/19/president-trump-announces-huge-news-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine-showing-encouraging-early-results/
President Trump Announces HUGE News: Anti-Malaria Drug Will Be Available to Fight Wuhan Virus ‘Almost Immediately’
Posted at 12:21 pm on March 19, 2020 by Elizabeth Vaughn
President Trump Announces HUGE News: Anti-Malaria Drug Will Be Available to Fight Wuhan Virus ‘Almost Immediately’
President Donald Trump speaks in the Brady press briefing room of the White House in Washington, Monday, March, 9, 2020, about the coronavirus outbreak. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
For the past couple of days, the name of a well-known anti-viral drug used to fight malaria, hydroxychloroquine, has been popping up in the news.
In a new study, hydroxychloroquine, a drug which has been around since the end of World War II, has shown encouraging early results in both preventing and fighting off the coronavirus.
Late this morning, President Trump’s National Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany tweeted, “President @realDonaldTrump announces HUGE news!! Hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria, has shown encouraging early results against the #coronavirus. By eliminating red tape, President Trump will be able to make this drug available almost immediately.”
At the White House coronavirus task force briefing on Thursday, President Trump announced to reporters that the drug has now been approved and will be available almost immediately.
He also mentioned two other drugs, Gilead’s Remdesivir and Regeneron’s Kevzar, that may prove to be effective against the coronavirus.
FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephan Hahn, said “we are looking at everything that’s coming across our desks as possible treatment options for coronavirus…And again we want to do that in the setting of a clinical trial. A large, pragmatic clinical trial to actually gather that information and answer the question that needs to be asked and answered.”
Hahn indicated that hydroxychlorine would at first be employed on the basis of “compassionate use.” According to the Daily Beast, this “means doctors can ask to use the experimental drug on patients and the FDA can then gather data on its safety and efficacy.”
Hydroxychlorine was also used to fight SARS.
According to the Clinical Trials Arena, Xinhua (China’s state media agency) reported that more than ten hospitals in Beijing, Guangdong province, and Hunan province are currently conducting clinical trials.
Gregory Rigano, an advisor to the Stanford University School of Medicine and co-author of a new study on the effectiveness of anti-viral drug chloroquine in fighting the coronavirus, told Fox:
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are generic drugs traditionally prescribed in tablet form…They’re on the World Health Organization’s (WHO) list of the most essential medicines and they’re generally accepted as safe. Hydroxychloroquine has an even better safety profile than chloroquine.
What we see in both the South Korean and Chinese guidelines (we don’t have clinical trials from there yet), they both say to use Chloroquine as a treatment.
What I’m here to report and I’m kind of front-running him and I have to apologize, but we are in a state of emergency. (Recording malfunctions.) [An MD and a Ph.D] will be publishing in the next few days, that in a 30 patient controlled clinical study (that means a patient arm that is taking hydroxychloroquine and a patient arm that is taking nothing, a placebo)…Within a matter of six days, the patients taking hydroxychloroquine tested negative for COVID-19. Within that same time, the patients in the control (who took the placebo) tested positive.
This is a well controlled study and what we need to proceed here is a global, well-controlled study to demonstrate its effectiveness so medical doctors are comfortable prescribing this drug worldwide.
…we have strong reason to believe that a preventative dose of hydroxychloroquine is going to prevent the virus from attaching to the body and just get rid of it completely.
This news is encouraging, to say the least.
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He wasn't my God when I was a child. You will never understand the sacrifices I had to make in order to make your God mine.
You made a tremendous sacrifice to convert to a completely different religion or ideology than what you grew up with. There is no doubt you huge reward will wait for you in the next world.
I apologize if I offended you in previous posts. Just one thing I want to say...don't chase after honor. Let honor chase after you.
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You made a tremendous sacrifice to convert to a completely different religion or ideology than what you grew up with. There is no doubt you huge reward will wait for you in the next world.
I apologize if I offended you in previous posts. Just one thing I want to say...don't chase after honor. Let honor chase after you.
Who is honored? He who honors others.
That's pirkei avos, right?
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You know Dan, I suffer severe depression. This lockdown is the last thing my mental health needs right now. I also don't need you judging my attitude and character. If you can't understand that I sincerely disagree with your position on the coronavirus, can you please just leave me alone?
Just to put things in perspective, I've been in social isolation in the mountains for about 8 months where I hear no sound ever because no one is here and haven't talked to anyone for more than a cumulative total of about 6 hours in this period of time. I have a tendency towards depression, so if I stop fighting for one second I'm done. I learned that people that complain can handle three times more, because they still have energy to complain with. I am in constant pain and can't sit down or stand long enough to do amidah. Logically, the numbers indicate my life is over, but I can't say depressed things like I used to, could be the end of me G-d forbid, I have to make one new hope after the other and have ten different dreams stored so if one gets crushed I can hope for the others. There are ways to ward off and prevent depression reinfection.
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Why do you suffer from severe depression?
I understand what you're saying in that regard. You are in a situation where you need to work for your mental healthy. To a lesser degree to you, I'm very antsy to be home and not making money and on my normal routine. However when life gives you corona, you make corona juice (beer) out of it. No matter how you may feel about this ridiculous situation, make it an opportunity to work on yourself, your shortcomings, your family if they are around, your relationship with God (the only God).
This corona situation is bigger than all of us.. fake or real..so still make the most of it.
You made a tremendous sacrifice to convert to a completely different religion or ideology than what you grew up with. There is no doubt you huge reward will wait for you in the next world.
I apologize if I offended you in previous posts. Just one thing I want to say...don't chase after honor. Let honor chase after you.
The reasons are too personal to share online. I'm not well, and I haven't been for a long time. But I'm doing my best with Hashem's help. There are Rabbis who say that every second you follow the commandments is priceless to Hashem. Don't worry about it and thanks for the advice.
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The reasons are too personal to share online. I'm not well, and I haven't been for a long time. But I'm doing my best with Hashem's help. There are Rabbis who say that every second you follow the commandments is priceless to Hashem. Don't worry about it and thanks for the advice.
So say I hire you as a delivery driver. You come back the first day, all the packages are out, but you get 5 parking tickets and I lose money. I'm mad, I say OK you did your job, but be smart tomorrow. Next day you make sure not to move the car one inch, you sit right there and come back and the end of the day and say, "I got no tickets!" B"H I say, and the packages? You say you didn't deliver any, and so I fire you.
The point is that it's more important to worry about making more mitvot than worry you'll make a sin. Make every effort to follow Hashem's "traffic law", but your priority is to do good. Go out, prepare a great warm meal, package it, and leave it at the door of a young guy who has trouble making ends meet, ring the bell and run away. You'll feel great about that for a while, keep doing kind things for people and make sure they don't know, you can't possibly stay depressed unless there's a chemical imbalance there.
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Kinda like the chicken and the egg though. If you want a girl because you're depressed, it comes off as needy and people who want emotional dependents can get dogs. Got a find a way to love the skin you're in and then you'll be more attractive.
Yes, you need a wife to cure depression, but you can't find her because you're depressed. Again, I would laugh if I were not dead inside.
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Just to put things in perspective, I've been in social isolation in the mountains for about 8 months where I hear no sound ever because no one is here and haven't talked to anyone for more than a cumulative total of about 6 hours in this period of time. I have a tendency towards depression, so if I stop fighting for one second I'm done. I learned that people that complain can handle three times more, because they still have energy to complain with. I am in constant pain and can't sit down or stand long enough to do amidah. Logically, the numbers indicate my life is over, but I can't say depressed things like I used to, could be the end of me G-d forbid, I have to make one new hope after the other and have ten different dreams stored so if one gets crushed I can hope for the others. There are ways to ward off and prevent depression reinfection.
The worst feeling is knowing that you can't escape your thoughts no matter where you go.
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Yes, you need a wife to cure depression, but you can't find her because you're depressed. Again, I would laugh if I were not dead inside.
You don't. You can control everything in your mind. It's very difficult to do that with any ego in you, because it's like telling your ego that those emotions weren't really real and didn't really matter, and it can't tolerate shrinking. That of course is the egotistical response, everything matters but the reality is you have vastly more control over your mind than most can imagine. You can simply chose different thoughts. That's like telling a fat guy "eat less", you have to develop tricks and tactics.
At least look at how self-assured happy people communicate and copy that in the most authentic way that is still true to your character, and fake it till you make it.
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The worst feeling is knowing that you can't escape your thoughts no matter where you go.
Gaining control of my regret is a work in progress, but I see now I do not want to escape. I ride this beast too.
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So say I hire you as a delivery driver. You come back the first day, all the packages are out, but you get 5 parking tickets and I lose money. I'm mad, I say OK you did your job, but be smart tomorrow. Next day you make sure not to move the car one inch, you sit right there and come back and the end of the day and say, "I got no tickets!" B"H I say, and the packages? You say you didn't deliver any, and so I fire you.
The point is that it's more important to worry about making more mitvot than worry you'll make a sin. Make every effort to follow Hashem's "traffic law", but your priority is to do good. Go out, prepare a great warm meal, package it, and leave it at the door of a young guy who has trouble making ends meet, ring the bell and run away. You'll feel great about that for a while, keep doing kind things for people and make sure they don't know, you can't possibly stay depressed unless there's a chemical imbalance there.
One of the things that helps me is going to the pizza parlor. It's a ritual of mine. I make sure to enjoy the food and I give a big tip. I also absolutely love sparrows. I feed at least three sparrows regularly. Tomorrow is World Sparrow Day and that gives me sincere joy.
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One of the things that helps me is going to the pizza parlor. It's a ritual of mine. I make sure to enjoy the food and I give a big tip. I also absolutely love sparrows. I feed at least three sparrows regularly. Tomorrow is World Sparrow Day and that gives me sincere joy.
I have to walk up and down a mountain to buy anything. At least if G-d forbid I was tortured for information, I would last a very long time now. I have to make an effort not to be depressed at how happy the birds and the fat groundhog under my shed make me. In the city any house I get in a month there are 10 people there constantly and in and out 24/7, it has taken all of my psychological skills to maintain my peace of mind with this level of isolation, especially since just before I was in yeshiva and constantly surrounded by even more people than in my house.
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You can simply chose different thoughts.
At least look at how self-assured happy people communicate and copy that in the most authentic way that is still true to your character, and fake it till you make it.
My Jewish teacher told me to think of my mind as my home. When I shut the door, nothing can enter. Similarly and ideally, when I shut my mind, no bad thoughts can enter it. But of course, they do.
I have zero self-confidence and I don't want it. I have confidence in Hashem alone that He will eventually give me a full recovery.
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Gaining control of my regret is a work in progress, but I see now I do not want to escape. I ride this beast too.
I know you do, bro. I know you do.
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I have to walk up and down a mountain to buy anything. At least if G-d forbid I was tortured for information, I would last a very long time now. I have to make an effort not to be depressed at how happy the birds and the fat groundhog under my shed make me. In the city any house I get in a month there are 10 people there constantly and in and out 24/7, it has taken all of my psychological skills to maintain my peace of mind with this level of isolation, especially since just before I was in yeshiva and constantly surrounded by even more people than in my house.
May I ask how you came to be in the mountains? Somehow I doubt it was voluntary.
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My Jewish teacher told me to think of my mind as my home. When I shut the door, nothing can enter. Similarly and ideally, when I shut my mind, no bad thoughts can enter it. But of course, they do.
I have zero self-confidence and I don't want it. I have confidence in Hashem alone that He will eventually give me a full recovery.
Well Hashem made you and knew what you would face before the world was created and made a you that could face it, so confidence in Hashem includes being confident that he made you strong enough, adding that Hashem wants you to talk to him and ask him for what you want.
May I ask how you came to be in the mountains? Somehow I doubt it was voluntary.
Gave up my house and everything to go to yeshiva. It's a sane direct family member who isn't an idolater, and wasn't using the house. Didn't have any cash when I got back from yeshiva and took three months walking with a broom stick and mop stick to the damn welfare office to get disability, and even then they asked me to give them a dozen forms, like proof i was currently attending school when I told them I wasn't, so got a free lawyer from the Jewish community to call them, and all of a sudden they didn't need all those forms. Restocking the finances. Not really going anywhere since the doctors usually give me a paper for one or two months since they really don't have any idea, so I have to keep going back and getting a new form, and takes them 2 months to put me back on disability each time.
Anyone who tells you socialist systems give you your needs is a liar or retard. If you are a paperwork expert and know all the government regulations, you get it right away, and if you really need help and can't spend a literal month filling out and finding obscure forms, you get a spit in the face and a dozen agents talking to you like you're a thief and an animal. I have seen more than a dozen people in the welfare office saying they want to blow up the building when they've been at it for months, and some welfare queen comes in with 5 kids and tells the agent what forms to get and corrects the endless mistakes they make to make it take long, and walks out with cash. The system is designed to create dependents and ensure only highly educated and hardworking people can get it, not help anyone. I eat a lot of soup.
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Gave up my house and everything to go to yeshiva. It's a sane direct family member who isn't an idolater, and wasn't using the house. Didn't have any cash when I got back from yeshiva and took three months walking with a broom stick and mop stick to the damn welfare office to get disability, and even then they asked me to give them a dozen forms, like proof i was currently attending school when I told them I wasn't, so got a free lawyer from the Jewish community to call them, and all of a sudden they didn't need all those forms. Restocking the finances. Not really going anywhere since the doctors usually give me a paper for one or two months since they really don't have any idea, so I have to keep going back and getting a new form, and takes them 2 months to put me back on disability each time.
Anyone who tells you socialist systems give you your needs is a liar or retard. If you are a paperwork expert and know all the government regulations, you get it right away, and if you really need help and can't spend a literal month filling out and finding obscure forms, you get a spit in the face and a dozen agents talking to you like you're a thief and an animal. I have seen more than a dozen people in the welfare office saying they want to blow up the building when they've been at it for months, and some welfare queen comes in with 5 kids and tells the agent what forms to get and corrects the endless mistakes they make to make it take long, and walks out with cash. The system is designed to create dependents and ensure only highly educated and hardworking people can get it, not help anyone. I eat a lot of soup.
I'm sorry to hear about your hardships. I am the secretary of an international society. When we ask the state for donations, we get so much paperwork we just say no thanks. Although my position is relatively powerful, I don't earn much. Still, if you need financial help, let me know and I will give what I can. The only paperwork you'll need is a Western Union form.
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I'm sorry to hear about your hardships. I am the secretary of an international society. When we ask the state for donations, we get so much paperwork we just say no thanks. Although my position is relatively powerful, I don't earn much. Still, if you need financial help, let me know and I will give what I can. The only paperwork you'll need is a Western Union form.
I am thankful for your offer, but I am not a charity case. Disability is a legitimate thing, I can not work. I have enough to eat and go to the chiropractor usually. There are also Jewish food banks and stuff people deliver to me from, so I'll survive. It'll be about a month with my MRI results, and then they'll probably put me another six months before I have to starve writing paperwork again. I have survived worse and didn't ask anyone to help me. This house I have free rent, so I'll make it. Anyways, unless you have millions you want to invest in advancing your nation's industry, money to have a bit of meat for a month and then it's the same thing again. I just need a ride right now to the robotics company I work for so I can see the confidential videos of the new arm to manufacture aircraft and write the articles. Fingers still work.
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And like not easy to get a ride. First no one wants to come to this rock, second I have to lie down in the back seat, sometimes there's no room sometimes the person is paranoid they could get a ticket. I really miss working so much.
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I am thankful for your offer, but I am not a charity case. Disability is a legitimate thing, I can not work. I have enough to eat and go to the chiropractor usually. There are also Jewish food banks and stuff people deliver to me from, so I'll survive. It'll be about a month with my MRI results, and then they'll probably put me another six months before I have to starve writing paperwork again. I have survived worse and didn't ask anyone to help me. This house I have free rent, so I'll make it. Anyways, unless you have millions you want to invest in advancing your nation's industry, money to have a bit of meat for a month and then it's the same thing again. I just need a ride right now to the robotics company I work for so I can see the confidential videos of the new arm to manufacture aircraft and write the articles. Fingers still work.
I myself don't have millions, but the society I work for connects buyers, sellers, investors and project owners. If you're making a business offer, I have to decline. I avoid mixing my private Jewish contacts with business. I did so twice and it didn't end well.
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And like not easy to get a ride. First no one wants to come to this rock, second I have to lie down in the back seat, sometimes there's no room sometimes the person is paranoid they could get a ticket. I really miss working so much.
I can't imagine how hard it is to be physically disabled. Although my mental health is not good, my body is healthy and I work a lot. I was just about to finalize a huge business before the world ended.
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Who is honored? He who honors others.
That's pirkei avos, right?
Heard it in shiur Torah from a rabbi. Won’t forget it.
You don’t chase kavod. It’s supposed to chase you. I think it’s regarding the tragedy of the spies.
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I can't imagine how hard it is to be physically disabled. Although my mental health is not good, my body is healthy and I work a lot. I was just about to finalize a huge business before the world ended.
I'm not actually disabled disabled. It's like there's a gremlin at the very base of my spine drilling his way out, and an army of goblins in my upper legs shooting bullets out. I didn't pay attention to it in yeshiva, pain isn't relevant to me, but apparently it makes it worse. I have a 99% deteriorated part of my lower spine with arthritic spikes all over. Doctor said I shouldn't sit down any more or G-d forbid what could take place. The chrio brought it down from 90% pain to 20%.
Just for paperwork for the government, I went to a the most prestigious pile of crap clinic here and saw some retard doctors. They say (G-d forbid) I will be in pain forever and there's nothing they can do because they know nothing and have small brains, so they offered me lots of injections of pain medication. Apparently weak people go crazy with pain. I said thank you and got the paperwork.
The chiropractor is a legitimate doctor instead of a waste of talent medical one, and he says he can fix me in three months, and then I have to do fun exercises every day for 6 months and then I just have to live actively and I'll be fine.
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I'm not actually disabled disabled. It's like there's a gremlin at the very base of my spine drilling his way out, and an army of goblins in my upper legs shooting bullets out. I didn't pay attention to it in yeshiva, pain isn't relevant to me, but apparently it makes it worse. I have a 99% deteriorated part of my lower spine with arthritic spikes all over. Doctor said I shouldn't sit down any more or G-d forbid what could take place. The chrio brought it down from 90% pain to 20%.
Just for paperwork for the government, I went to a the most prestigious pile of crap clinic here and saw some retard doctors. They say (G-d forbid) I will be in pain forever and there's nothing they can do because they know nothing and have small brains, so they offered me lots of injections of pain medication. Apparently weak people go crazy with pain. I said thank you and got the paperwork.
The chiropractor is a legitimate doctor instead of a waste of talent medical one, and he says he can fix me in three months, and then I have to do fun exercises every day for 6 months and then I just have to live actively and I'll be fine.
Wish you the best friend. I will pray for your fully recovery.
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Wish you the best friend. I will pray for your fully recovery.
B"H chiro cancelled every appointment except for around 5 people, me included, so I can keep getting treated while the commie virus is going around.
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Maybe the democrats came out with the virus to help crash the stock market to ruin all the gains during Trump's time in office.
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Maybe the democrats came out with the virus to help crash the stock market to ruin all the gains during Trump's time in office.
They're certainly cheering it.
My aunt and my cousins have caught corona in France. My aunt as acute bronchitis. Luckily we make them tough in my family, so they're all alright.
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Is Russia Covering Up Chinese Virus Cases?
Mon Mar 23, 2020 Daniel Greenfield
Is a totalitarian dictatorship covering stuff up? Probably.
If there's any lesson to take away from the Chinese Virus, it's that dictatorships can't be trusted to tell the truth about internal conditions. And one of the major bugs of globalization was the insistence that we had to integrate totalitarian regimes into the network with the Chinese Virus as the end result. And of course it goes beyond China. The so-called "international community" to which the expert class, the media, and the weight of globalist opinion pays tribute to is little better than a collection of dictatorships. With results like these.
Doctors in Russia say the government is covering up coronavirus cases in the country and forcing medical staff to treat infectious patients without protective equipment.
Anastasia Vasilyeva, the head of Russia's Alliance of Doctors trade union, voiced the accusation in a video published on Thursday.
She called on Russian doctors to go public with information about the "true" state of the coronavirus outbreak in the country.
"While the whole world is facing an outbreak of a new coronavirus, Russia is facing an outbreak of a community-acquired pneumonia," Vasilyeva said. "And as usual, we're facing the lie of the authorities."
She said Russian authorities were referring to coronavirus cases as ordinary pneumonia, implying that they're distinct from the coronavirus pandemic.
That's actually a thorny question. Different countries classify deaths in which the Chinese Virus is a factor, differently.
But as to what's actually going on in Russia, much as in China or Iran, or any other member of the international tyrannical community, who knows? We can't trust the authorities. And that means that there's no reason to expose ourselves to any risk based on their claims.
If you believe Russia's numbers, then Poland has a growing Chinese Virus problem (not to mention so many other countries), but they don't. Meanwhile Russia is the one with a sizable Chinese population.
Forget trust, but verify. Here's a motto for a post-global world. Don't trust.
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They're certainly cheering it.
My aunt and my cousins have caught corona in France. My aunt as acute bronchitis. Luckily we make them tough in my family, so they're all alright.
I do hope that they will be OK.
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I do hope that they will be OK.
Honestly, they wouldn't even have known, gave tiny little symptoms, and just checked to be sure and sure enough all three tested positive, all three were over the virus by the time they were tested, and the inconvenience is France ordered them to stay inside their house for 20 days and even for food not to leave.
Thank you for your kind wishes all the same.
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This is crazy!
https://www.dw.com/en/german-man-licks-ticket-machine-to-spread-coronavirus/a-52887069 (https://www.dw.com/en/german-man-licks-ticket-machine-to-spread-coronavirus/a-52887069)
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Bus after bus of dead Italians rolling down the roads in Italy to be cremated. It's truly harrowing.
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Wuhan Virus Numbers: Nightly Update March 24, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
Posted at 11:30 pm on March 24, 2020 by Mike Ford
Wuhan Virus Numbers: Nightly Update March 24, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
President Donald Trump speaks about the coronavirus in the James Brady Briefing Room, Monday, March 23, 2020, in Washington, as Attorney General William Barr and Dr. Deborah Birx, White House coronavirus response coordinator, listen. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
This is the 8th in a series of nightly updates regarding Wuhan Virus numbers in these United States.
The trend line in American Wuhan Virus fatalities compared to total infections, has shown a small uptick. As of 2359 GMT, March 24, 2020 the U.S. Mortality Rate (M/R) (calculated by dividing the number of reported U.S. Infections into the number of reported U.S Fatalities) was 1.30%. This number had been steadily declining since March 3, when the rate was over 7%. It is still below 2%.
Red State will continue to publish this Wuhan Virus Update showing total reported U.S. Cases and Total U.S. Fatalities from the disease, along with appropriate commentary regarding any observable trends until it’s determined to be no longer useful to our readers.
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Wuhan Virus Numbers: Nightly Update March 24, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
On the left, this first chart shows the data table, starting February 29, the date of the first reported U.S fatality and continuing until today. On the right, are two graphical representations of the data. The top graph shows the decline of the Mortality Rate. As you can see from the numbers on the left and chart on the upper right, today shows a slight uptick (2/100%) of the M/R from previous reports. My assessment is that the M/R will ultimately continue its downward path until test materials and equipment are fully fielded and the supply chain is well established and fully supportive of demand from the field. At that point the calculated M/R will reflect what it actually has been all along. At today’s Presidential “Virtual Town Hall” today in the White House Rose Garden, Dr Birx made an important point, “In the last 8 days, we’ve done more tests than South Korea did in 8 weeks.” Bottom line, increased testing is giving us greater visibility of actual infections while driving the estimated Mortality Rate lower.
The bottom graph shows the total U.S Fatalities. Today’s numbers are somewhat concerning. Instead of edging to the right, it is continuing on an arithmetic, not exponential track upwards. Whether this is indeed a harbinger of worse to come, merely a spike or just the Fatality count lagging behind the count of newly discovered cases. As I noted when there was “good news,” one or even two days, does not make a trend.
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Wuhan Virus Numbers: Nightly Update March 24, 2020-As Of 2359GMT
This chart is a “What If” graphic. It represents the M/R for reported infections. It also shows the M/R if we assume for each reported case of Wuhan Virus, there are 1, 2 or 3 other persons out there with it. For today’s report:
M/R = 1.30%
+1 = 0.65%
+2 = 0.43%
+3 = 0.32%
If you believe that there is a good chance that for each known person infected, there are 3 others out there who haven’t been reported, then the United States Wuhan Virus is now approaching the same CDC claimed M/R for our seasonal Flu. All of this could change in a nanosecond, but for now, once again, I am still cautiously optimistic.
We hope this is of some value. Whether it is or isn’t, please let me know in the comments.
Prayers for all the folks on the front lines of this effort who are putting themselves at risk on our behalf.
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Our resident happy man over here claims there is a new virus for every country or every person or every one of his brain cells. Viruses do mutate naturally as explained in this article, but luckily, virtually no significant mutation has taken place, and therefore a vaccine would prevent all the current cases and one vaccine should cover people for many years, instead of needing a yearly flu vaccine like old people get. So that theory is debunked, not that it actually needed to be any more than reptilian aliens that are somehow Zionist controlling the black people to exterminate the white race (there's also really no need to entertain such people) and my suspicion that this is a bioweapon is reduced to very slight chance. So to people saying this is just like the flu, that would be super bad if it was, it's not, it's its own thing.
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/25/scientists-report-good-news-covid-19-is-not-mutating-quickly-means-vaccine-could-provide-lasting-immunity/
Scientists Report Good News: COVID-19 Is Not Mutating Quickly, Means Vaccine Could Provide Lasting Immunity
Posted at 6:00 am on March 25, 2020 by Elizabeth Vaughn
Scientists Report Good News: COVID-19 Is Not Mutating Quickly, Means Vaccine Could Provide Lasting Immunity
In this April 12, 2018 photo lab technician extracts DNA for whole genome sequencing at the Colorado Department of Public Health
The Washington Post has reported some good news on the Chinese virus front. Scientists at Johns Hopkins University had feared that COVID-19’s genetic code would mutate rapidly meaning that it would be difficult to create a vaccine that would provide long-lasting immunity.
Joel Achenbach, who covers science at The Washington Post, writes that its genetic code “is not mutating significantly as it circulates through the human population” and “that relative stability suggests the virus is less likely to become more or less dangerous as it spreads.” He explains:
All viruses evolve over time, accumulating mutations as they replicate imperfectly inside a host’s cells in tremendous numbers and then spread through a population, with some of those mutations persisting through natural selection. The new coronavirus has proofreading machinery, however, and that reduces the “error rate” and the pace of mutation. It looks pretty much the same everywhere it has appeared, the scientists say, and there is no evidence that some strains are deadlier than others.
SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease covid-19, is similar to coronaviruses that circulate naturally in bats. It jumped into the human species last year in Wuhan, China, probably through an intermediate species — possibly a pangolin, an endangered anteater whose scales are trafficked for traditional medicine.
Achenbach spoke to Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory molecular geneticist Peter Thielen who said his team has studied 1,000 samples of the virus. They found “there are only about four to 10 genetic differences between the strains that have infected people in the United States and the original virus that spread in Wuhan.”
Thielen explained, “That’s a relatively small number of mutations for having passed through a large number of people. At this point, the mutation rate of the virus would suggest that the vaccine developed for SARS-CoV-2 would be a single vaccine, rather than a new vaccine every year like the flu vaccine.”
Achenbach spoke to two other virologists, Stanley Perlman of the University of Iowa and Benjamin Neuman of Texas A&M University at Texarkana, who confirmed Thielen’s opinion that “the virus appears relatively stable.”
“The virus has not mutated to any significant extent,” Perlman said.
Neuman told Achenbach:
Just one ‘pretty bad’ strain for everybody so far. If it’s still around in a year, by that point we might have some diversity.
Flu does have one trick up its sleeve that coronaviruses do not have — the flu virus genome is broken up into several segments, each of which codes for a gene. When two flu viruses are in the same cell, they can swap some segments, potentially creating a new combination instantly — this is how the H1N1 ‘swine’ flu originated.
According to the BBC, there are currently more than 20 vaccines against COVID-19 in development, noting that one in particular has just begun clinical trials in humans, skipping the typical animal research phase.
Last week, it was reported that Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute (KPWHRI) in Seattle was starting a phase 1 clinical trial. A press release on the National Institute of Health’s (NIH) website said:
The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the NIH, is funding the trial. KPWHRI is part of NIAID’s Infectious Diseases Clinical Research Consortium. The open-label trial will enroll 45 healthy adult volunteers ages 18 to 55 years over approximately 6 weeks. The first participant received the investigational vaccine today.
The study is evaluating different doses of the experimental vaccine for safety and its ability to induce an immune response in participants. This is the first of multiple steps in the clinical trial process for evaluating the potential benefit of the vaccine.
The vaccine is called mRNA-1273 and was developed by NIAID scientists and their collaborators at the biotechnology company Moderna, Inc., based in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Elizabeth Vaughn
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My cousin lost her sense of smell from china virus. Apparently that happens. Also really bad headache in the back of her head, which may possibly be from stress. G-d willing she makes a complete recovery.
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More good news. Projected death totals have been significantly reduced.
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/03/26/the-imperial-college-study-thats-formed-the-basis-of-so-much-panic-just-got-revised-down-significantly/
The Imperial College Study That’s Formed the Basis of So Much Panic Just Got Revised Down Significantly
Posted at 1:15 pm on March 26, 2020 by Bonchie
The Imperial College Study That's Formed the Basis of So Much Panic Just Got Revised Down Significantly
Men in protective gear arrive to disinfect a construction site on 42nd St., Friday, March 20, 2020, in New York. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is ordering all workers in non-essential businesses to stay home and banning gatherings statewide. “Only essential businesses can have workers commuting to the job or on the job,” Cuomo said of an executive order he will sign Friday. Nonessential gatherings of individuals of any size or for any reason are canceled or postponed. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)
This is big news, as the Imperial College Study has formed the basis for nearly all the panic in the Western world over the Wuhan virus.
Today, the leading researcher on that study has revised his numbers to show dramatic drops in his estimates of deaths and the number of ICU beds needed to tackle the crisis. This comes after he had previously shown up to 2 million dead in the United States and 500,000 dead in the United Kingdom.
Now, I’m gonna try to be fair here, because there are two ways to look at this.
One, you can say the situation simply changed. His original range was based on countries essentially doing nothing to combat the Wuhan virus. No quarantines for the sick, no increase in hospital capacity, and no restrictions on public gatherings. When taken that way, perhaps you can’t blame Ferguson for being so wrong?
Yet, I also think we can’t ignore the responsibility he and his team held in releasing such a doomsday number in the first place. When his report was first put out, countries were already taking dramatic measures to stop the spread and gather the resources to treat the sick. What was the point of throwing crazy death totals out in the open when they were never really possible outside of some alternate reality where no one does anything? This is especially true when you consider that Ferguson had no idea what the actual infection or death rates were at the time of his first study.
And we know exactly what happened in response to those claims. The mainstream media went absolutely nuts with the high end of the range released, to this day still bandying about the “millions will die” claim without a thought as to whether the original data put into the model wasn’t viable. While Ferguson may have simply been making worst case scenario predictions, there are serious questions on whether it was responsible to release that into the wild without doing the necessary legwork to correct the misconceptions of what the study meant. Further, he was saying just last week that an 18 month quarantine would be necessary. Mitigation efforts have not changed dramatically in the last week. National lock downs started, in some cases, months ago.
Meanwhile, measures taken based on that flawed study have now put 3.3 million Americans out of work.
It’s time to have a serious discussion about whether the cure is worse than the disease right now. Unemployment numbers like this are going to spike deaths by suicide and drug abuse. They will also lead to deaths via lack of care, housing, and necessities. These are real lives being affected. It’s not enough to just say “stay home or grandma will die.”
The solution is likely somewhere in the middle between what we are doing now and doing nothing. It’s possible to social distance and slow the spread without shutting the entire economy down. Places like New York may need to stay locked down, but other localities may be able to get back to normal much faster. The President is on the right track, despite objections from some, in wanting to get Americans back to work. Let’s come up with a real plan to do that and do it soon. Sitting paralyzed is not going to help more people than it hurts in the long term.
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The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved By Leftist Political Correctness
Fri Mar 27, 2020 Daniel Greenfield
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The New York Times, which in the middle of a diseased city, decided to run this hateful little screed, "The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals — Trump's response to the pandemic has been haunted by the science denialism of his ultraconservative religious allies."
Please, tell me. Which Trumpist evangelical ally runs New York City? What about San Francisco, Washington State?
We already know the "science denialism" that led to outbreaks in ultra-blue urban areas. It had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politically correct opposition to travel bans or avoiding people from hot zones.
On January 26, New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, “It’s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.” She also said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.” She added that those “who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings
Health Commissioner Barbot tweeted, “As we gear up to celebrate the Lunar New Year in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of coronavirus.”
Health Commissioner Barbot declared on Twitter, “Today our city is celebrating the Lunar New Year parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about coronavirus.”
Councilman Mark D. Levine stated on Twitter, “In powerful show of defiance of coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual Lunar New Year parade. Chants of ‘Be Strong Wuhan!’ If you are staying away, you are missing out.
Mayor de Blasio conducted a taped interview with NBC News that ran during MSNBC’s Morning Joe. He said, “We have an extraordinary public health apparatus here in New York City . . . and what became clear to me was it was really about telling the people of our city, this is something we can handle, but you got to follow some basic rules. . . . This should not stop you from going about your life. It should not stop you from going to Chinatown and going out to eat. I am going to do that today myself.”
Later that day, New York City Council speaker Corey Johnson said, “It is important to support the Chinese community in New York City. Unfortunately many businesses and restaurants in Chinatown, Flushing, and Sunset Park are suffering because some customers are afraid of the coronavirus. But those fears are not based on facts and science. The risk of infection to New Yorkers is low. There is no need to avoid public spaces. I urge everyone to dine and shop as usual.”
New York City now has the worst coronavirus outbreak in the country.
It wasn't the science denialism of "evangelicals" that did this, but the science denialism of lefties who feared anything that might seem discriminatory.
The Left paved the way to this hell and it's frantically smearing and lying to get out.
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Yes everyone rejected the technocracy cults because screw your nerdy little "g-d" but if you have the technerd cult but you put the doctor on the cover instead of the lab tech now it's much more palatable.
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Really not a fan of superhero movies. I just liked how they portrayed medical workers as superheroes.
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Really not a fan of superhero movies. I just liked how they portrayed medical workers as superheroes.
The right wing is all drooling warm foam of joy at the mouth that the left is saying a job is important now. Maybe they will say renovation workers and welderss are heroes now *foam*. They always fight for bad things and now it looks good, yay and many group hugs. Doctors are indeed important and extremely desirable to society. The left didn't all of a sudden mount a big campaign to encourage more people to be doctors, or to say you should all trust your doctors, because indeed if someone like Rand Paul or any of the hundreds of other doctors talk that aren't for corona lockdown, they change their tone and those are animals. They're essentially bringing them into the many-faith religion of the left and anointing the priesthood, so now besides anything an "environmentalist" says is right (so long as he agrees with global warming), anything a psychologist says is right (so long as he agrees with homosexuality and sexual mutilation) and all the rest, you have anything a doctor says is right, so long as he says corona lockdown, and then whatever becomes the new amoral virtue of the week. Soon 99% of doctors will agree that the science is settles and the 57% that don't agree and still have jobs will be silenced.