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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bourne on October 11, 2007, 01:37:49 PM
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Anyone else see this article?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58089
Ann puts forth the "Christians are perfected Jews" argument.
Is there anyone who can explain how this should not be interpreted as offensive to Jews?
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Well, I don't know if you want this around: http://jtf.org/america/america.jtf.loves.you.ann.coulter.htm
But she's Christian and this is what Christians believe. Christians are not Jews. If you want to take what she said as an insult then you should feel insulted by Christianity. I don't agree with her, but I'm not Christian and she is.
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I certainly do not wish to be insulted by Christianity in general. I have never heard any of my Christian friends advance this argument. Is this a universally accepted interpretation of Christianity? I agree that Christians are not Jews, but wouldn't it be equally as odd if we went around referring to ourselves as "imperfect Christians" or perhaps "super Christians"?
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I don't want to get into it...BUT
A Jew is a Jew
and a Christian is a Christian....one can't be the other and are both compeletely different faiths.
What matters to you and me and Gd is that one is Righteous...plain in simple..it doesn't matter the faith one follows.
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I certainly do not wish to be insulted by Christianity in general. I have never heard any of my Christian friends advance this argument. Is this a universally accepted interpretation of Christianity? I agree that Christians are not Jews, but wouldn't it be equally as odd if we went around referring to ourselves as "imperfect Christians" or perhaps "super Christians"?
In my opinion, most Christians are not looking for trouble and respect other people's choices so they're not going to take into account what the New Testaments says about those who reject Christ as being inferior to Christians. Does that mean they’re ignoring the Bible? Some would argue no, some would argue yes – they’re not doing God’s work.
Some see the Bible as spiritual guidance, a personal decision you have to make on your own. Others believe it’s God’s brain on paper, a one-shoe fits all sort of deal. It really just depends on how you’re raised and what you’re told on a daily basis. I mean, that’s how our brains work. You open the Bible and you find what you’re looking for based on what someone else has told you. That’s language for you. It’s imperfect.
You shouldn’t feel insulted by Christianity in general. It’s the ultra-specific strict interpretation of a few passages that might bother you.
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Ann Coulter has mentioned many times of her Christianity, but I think this statement is something she might have said to tweak such "jews" as Abe Foxman. The same type of Jews that JTF is harshly critical of.
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I think this is a common notion in Christianity, although it might not be explicitly said very often. They think that they are "perfected Jews" because they worship Jesus if I'm not mistaken.
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Yes, you are correct Ze'ev. It isn't often stated, but you have the general idea of one aspect of Christianity. I grew up Catholic, and I never heard it put to me as "perfected."
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Usually the idea of "perfected Jews" or "completed Jews" is used by Christians in reference to Messianic Jews. Messianic Jews, of course, are Jews that believe in Jesus as the messiah, and they come in different levels of law observance. Messianic Judaism didn't really start until the 70's. Christians couldn't convert Jews for centuries, so they tried to make Christianity seem more "Jewish" in order to win Jewish converts to Christianity. The truth of the matter is, a Jew is complete with Torah, and needs nothing extra.
Calling Christians "perfected Jews" is like calling Mormons "perfected Christians".
That's not completly true; the first christains don't even called them self as such; this was intented as slur just like leftist Jews calling you "Cahanists"; In I century they were another jewish sect like esenites who belived in Jesus being Jewish Mesiash their rabbi was James brother of Jesus; than Paul started to embrace gentile converts and by IV century the church was purged by almost all of jewish rites. but they were still groups of this Hebrew Chritians until A--Rabic invasion; Btw no one use the phrase perfected it stupid and vain; All christains think that Jesus fullfiled the laws of Torah; so they can fullfiled but not perfected becouse they still are sinfull. In this time they just don't speak of it outside their congregation especialy to jews; But jews shoud not offended by this view jut as christians shoud not be offended by jewish point of view that gentiles are not allowed to practice ten comandments for ex; w have to learn to agree to disagree on this forum. And remember that pisslam see us as zionist and crusader syiamic twins; for them all our diffences are not existing at all and we're all as one. ::) :::D
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Usually the idea of "perfected Jews" or "completed Jews" is used by Christians in reference to Messianic Jews. Messianic Jews, of course, are Jews that believe in Jesus as the messiah, and they come in different levels of law observance. Messianic Judaism didn't really start until the 70's. Christians couldn't convert Jews for centuries, so they tried to make Christianity seem more "Jewish" in order to win Jewish converts to Christianity. The truth of the matter is, a Jew is complete with Torah, and needs nothing extra.
Calling Christians "perfected Jews" is like calling Mormons "perfected Christians".
That's not completly true; the first christains don't even called them self as such; this was intented as slur just like leftist Jews calling you "Cahanists"; In I century they were another jewish sect like esenites who belived in Jesus being Jewish Mesiash their rabbi was James brother of Jesus; than Paul started to embrace gentile converts and by IV century the church was purged by almost all of jewish rites. but they were still groups of this Hebrew Chritians until A--Rabic invasion; Btw no one use the phrase perfected it stupid and vain; All christains think that Jesus fullfiled the laws of Torah; so they can fullfiled but not perfected becouse they still are sinfull. In this time they just don't speak of it outside their congregation especialy to jews; But jews shoud not offended by this view jut as christians shoud not be offended by jewish point of view that gentiles are not allowed to practice ten comandments for ex; w have to learn to agree to disagree on this forum. And remember that pisslam see us as zionist and crusader syiamic twins; for them all our diffences are not existing at all and we're all as one. ::) :::D
Good post
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Here's an excellent article on the subject.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/ O0
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The concepts "completed Jew" and "perfected Jew" are solid Christian concepts found in the New Testament, defined clearly in Acts of the Apostles and Hebrews.
Found with them is the Christian theological doctrine of "replacement"--whereby the collective universal followers of Jesus (a/k/a "The Church") is "The New Israel" (replacing and discarding"the old Israel" comprised of Torah Jews who keep the Law and can't accept Jesus as the Moshiach).
Furthermore, the entire Torah & Prophets are re-interpreted and canonized by the early Christians so that the Jewish concepts of "Bride of the Sabbath" is now viewed as a concept where Jesus is the Sabbath and the Church is his bride...this is another solid doctrine in Christianity.
What Ann Coulter said (and says) is exactly what she means and believes. She has no use for JTF, no use for Jews, and no use for anyone who does not accept "the world according to Ann Coulter".
Apologists for her on this forum making feeble attempts as her apologist ["...Ann only meant the kind of Jews whom JTF opposes like Foxman..."] are in a delusional state of denial.
Time after time, I have replied to all of the threads and posts on this forum which "worship" Ann Coulter as some type of "Conservative goddess who is undoubtedly 'on our side' and 'certainly agrees with us' by writing my studied opinion of this loud mouthed skank based on my personal correspondance with her.
Over and over I've told all of you here that Ann Coulter is poorly educated, dangerously opinionated, and a narcissist who exists only to make more and more money through sensationalism which is swallowed hook, line, and sinker by pseudo-conservatives with no political conciousness.
Search the JTF Forum for all archived "Ann Coulter" posts and threads by MassuhDGoodName...you all will see that I have not only been consistent with my appraisals of Miss Coulter, but that I have also been right all along...all Ann Coulter knows about Jews is that "they killed Christ" and "they're all going to Hell if they don't accept Christ".
I'm so glad that she finally has revealed just a glimpse of her true character and world view. If you people here still need a blonde whore to worship there's always Bar Rafaeli for you...she's equally as stupid and loud-mouthed as Coulter..but much, much, easier on the eyes.
American Conservativism can only be defined in terms of what one stands for...it is not defined in terms of "here's what we all are against". The problem with our forum "conservatives" is that most here only know what and who they are opposing...yet have no clue whatsoever when asked what it is for which they stand...most gleefully denounce nazism, socialism, liberalism, libertarianism, secularism, yet when asked to succinctly define what those words actually mean they haven't the slightest idea whatsoever.
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I don't want to get into it...BUT
A Jew is a Jew
and a Christian is a Christian....one can't be the other and are both compeletely different faiths.
What matters to you and me and Gd is that one is Righteous...plain in simple..it doesn't matter the faith one follows.
Judaism isnt faith, its Knowledge and a way of life.
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Chaim wanted her to run for president! I don't think he want her now. Can someone ask this on the Ask JTF?
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Time after time, I have replied to all of the threads and posts on this forum which "worship" Ann Coulter as some type of "Conservative goddess who is undoubtedly 'on our side' and 'certainly agrees with us' by writing my studied opinion of this loud mouthed skank based on my personal correspondance with her.
Tell us about your personal correspondence with her. What did she say to you?
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What are you talking about?
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Debbie Schlussel: Nice Try, Media Matters Nazis, But Ann Coulter is No Anti-Semite
By Debbie Schlussel
The Internet and Mainstream Media are abuzz in their latest attack on Ann Coulter. This time, they're claiming she's an anti-Semite.
It all stems from an interview she did with CNBC's horrid talk show host Donny Deutch. Apparently one of the two viewers watching this incredibly boring show was a Media Matters monkey trained to tape Ann's every word and think of ways to twist it.
In describing the connections between Christian and Jewish beliefs, Ann said that Jews believe in the Tanach, but Christians believe in that AND the New Testament. Jews need to be "perfected," she said. Reading the full script (also read Omri Ceren/Mere Rhetoric's and Allah Pundit's excellent comments @ Hot Air), it's abundantly clear what she was talking about. To wit: That we, as Jews, don't accept the full Christian Bible, and therefore, it's the Christian belief that we need to be fully accepting of.
Why should that offend me? I've had brunch with Ann, and we've had many conversations through e-mail, etc. During all of that, she's never once told me she's offended that I believe that I am part of the Chosen People. To you far-left Jews and other uber-liberals who want to rush off and call Ann an anti-Semite, that means that we as Jews believe Christians and Hindus and Bahai Faithers (and definitely, Muslims) are not Chosen. Does that make me a religious bigot? Nope. It just means I actually believe in my religion. Just like Ann does. Nothing more. Nothing less.
This whole thing is a lot of manufactured hype in order to try to play gotcha with Ann. Like I said, I know Ann personally and I like and respect her. She doesn't have an anti-Semitic bone in her body. If anything, she is one of the most philo-Semitic gentiles I know, and her columns--constant attacks on the modern day enemies of the Jewish people and defenses of Israel and America--are strong evidence of that.
Contrast that with the villain here: Media Matters. It's anti-American, anti-Israel, and is funded by George Soros, a Jew who proudly worked for the Nazis rounding up Jews and sending them to their deaths. Hmmm . . . him versus Ann Coulter? That's an easy choice. I'd much rather go with the woman who looks like an Aryan but is a friend to the Jews and their allies than the billionaire atheist Jew whose lived his entire life like a Nazi.
Again, if she is not bothered that I think that as a Jew, I'm one of the Chosen People (and she isn't), I certainly can't be bothered in the least that she thinks that Jews must be perfected to Christianity. I think the fact that far too many of my fellow co-religionists have substituted unabated liberalism for Judaism is what gives so many a platform for questioning us, though I don't believe that is what Ann was doing here.
And for the record, I believe Donny Deutch was lying about his own religious status. When Ann started down this road, and Deutch got so "offended," Ann asked him why he doesn't practice his religion, Judaism. He responded that he is a "religious" Jew. I doubt that, since his show is on the Jewish Sabbath, and keeping the Jewish Sabbath is the most important commandment for a religious Jew to keep. I believe most religious Jews would not characterize Deutch as a "religious" Jew, not that it matters, but since we're nitpicking along with the self-appointed nit-watchers here . . . . I, for one, enjoyed Ann needling him on that, since he needled her.
True religious Jews are not offended by Ann's comments, though they really appreciate her alliance with our causes. It's only the Jewish libs, like Deutch, who are feigning this shock and outrage. That's because she's a threat to their real religion: liberalism.
If anything, perhaps Ann shouldn't have used the word "perfected," if only because it was a perfect word for liberals to twist and use.
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Everybody who's going on a rant about how we should hate Ann Coulter, read the article.
Jewish democrats? Sort of like the ones who support Moveon.org and Media Matters? Ann Coulter is always misquoted, it's become an infamous practice by liberal morons, such as Alan Colmes.
Yes, there's a layout of the conservation that took place during the interview, but you know what the magic of words is? They can be changed and twisted to meet any means.
Ann Coulter is a hero to the American and Jewish people, most people have no hope of becoming as intelligent as this wonderful woman.
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Ann Coulter basically called Jews a lesser people because they are not Christians. As a Christian I do not understand how a Jew on this forum is ok with this. I am bloody livid at her remarks. When one defames Jews such as this, it will bring dire results. hitler basically said the same thing. I am not comparing Ann too hitler. But what she said was wrong. I will go on the record that if any so called "Christian" that would say such a thing is a most vile human being. She disrespected the Jewish Theology and in my opinion as a non Jew, Jewish people should be livid as well . I will never support or listen too what this "woman" says again, she makes me sick too my stomach. Just my opinion.
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Thank you for posting that article NewYorker. Ann is a good Christian, unlike the many in America. Ann understands and actually follows her religion. She understands that Christians are supposed to believe that Jews should accept the Christian Bible, just as Jews believe that Christians should follow the Noahide Laws, it's all a matter of religious perspective. What a great person.
Shame on all you JTF members, who actually believed this Media Matters-fueled slander!
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Ann Coulter basically called Jews a lesser people because they are not Christians. As a Christian I do not understand how a Jew on this forum is ok with this. I am bloody livid at her remarks. When one defames Jews such as this, it will bring dire results. hitler basically said the same thing. I am not comparing Ann too hitler. But what she said was wrong. I will go on the record that if any so called "Christian" that would say such a thing is a most vile human being. She disrespected the Jewish Theology and in my opinion as a non Jew, Jewish people should be livid as well . I will never support or listen too what this "woman" says again, she makes me sick too my stomach. Just my opinion.
Ann Coulter is a religious Christian and a honest women. She simply stated the perspective of her faith on Jews, to them, they believe by accepting the New Testament, they are "Perfected Jews". So? Ask a Jew, based on the perspective of their faith, what a Christian is, and I believe the honest answer would be even more likely to offend.
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You know, I really don't care. I am not the biggest AC fan out there (she is a Bush sycophant hiding under a right-wing-lunatic facade) to begin with, and I really don't see where she is in a place to lecture about religion (she doesn't strike me as being of particularly noble character--she did date porn lord Bob Guccione, among others), but, at the same time, I am not sure if holding the opinion that Jews should convert to Christianity for a fact convicts one of anti-Semitism.
I will go read the article now and see what she actually wrote.
Edit... A friend of mine who has studied her extensively claims that Coulter is a Catholic. She supposedly says so in one of her books (which I have not read).
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Ann Coulter basically called Jews a lesser people because they are not Christians. As a Christian I do not understand how a Jew on this forum is ok with this. I am bloody livid at her remarks. When one defames Jews such as this, it will bring dire results. hitler basically said the same thing. I am not comparing Ann too hitler. But what she said was wrong. I will go on the record that if any so called "Christian" that would say such a thing is a most vile human being. She disrespected the Jewish Theology and in my opinion as a non Jew, Jewish people should be livid as well . I will never support or listen too what this "woman" says again, she makes me sick too my stomach. Just my opinion.
Ann Coulter is a religious Christian and a honest women. She simply stated the perspective of her faith on Jews, to them, they believe by accepting the New Testament, they are "Perfected Jews". So? Ask a Jew, based on the perspective of their faith, what a Christian is, and I believe the honest answer would be even more likely to offend.
New Yorker you're a good person. We may disagree about sexual modesty, but you're an admirable individual for standing up for Ann.
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NewYorker I am a Christian, she does not speak for me. This is not about what Jews believe, it is about what she said. She degraded the Jewish people.
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Ann Coulter basically called Jews a lesser people because they are not Christians. As a Christian I do not understand how a Jew on this forum is ok with this. I am bloody livid at her remarks. When one defames Jews such as this, it will bring dire results. hitler basically said the same thing. I am not comparing Ann too hitler. But what she said was wrong. I will go on the record that if any so called "Christian" that would say such a thing is a most vile human being. She disrespected the Jewish Theology and in my opinion as a non Jew, Jewish people should be livid as well . I will never support or listen too what this "woman" says again, she makes me sick too my stomach. Just my opinion.
Ann Coulter is a religious Christian and a honest women. She simply stated the perspective of her faith on Jews, to them, they believe by accepting the New Testament, they are "Perfected Jews". So? Ask a Jew, based on the perspective of their faith, what a Christian is, and I believe the honest answer would be even more likely to offend.
New Yorker you're a good person. We may disagree about sexual modesty, but you're an admirable individual for standing up for Ann.
Thanks, you're a good person too.
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OK, I followed the link and read most of the interview.
Ann Coulter has a big mouth, and like I said earlier has absolutely no place lecturing about religion, but I don't see how she said anything horribly shocking. She gave the perspective of her faith (whether she is genuine in it or not), and knowing her, she couldn't really be expected to answer otherwise. I can't see how any rational person could gather from these comments that she wants a holocaust or anything remotely close.
There are Jews (not Chaim, but some others) who believe that the whole world should convert to Judaism too. There are even some Jewish supremacists (like the people at Revava) who think that Gentiles are subhuman. Do I like these views? No. Am I going to lose sleep over them? No.
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OK, I followed the link and read most of the interview.
Ann Coulter has a big mouth, and like I said earlier has absolutely no place lecturing about religion, but I don't see how she said anything horribly shocking. She gave the perspective of her faith (whether she is genuine in it or not), and knowing her, she couldn't really be expected to answer otherwise. I can't see how any rational person could gather from these comments that she wants a holocaust or anything remotely close.
There are Jews (not Chaim, but some others) who believe that the whole world should convert to Judaism too. There are even some Jewish supremacists (like the people at Revava) who think that Gentiles are subhuman. Do I like these views? No. Am I going to lose sleep over them? No.
C.F. good post, that calmed me down. I got really fired up, and your post brought me back too logic and reason. I still don't like what she said, but there is not much I can do about it. And I still don't like her anymore lol. Be well !
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OK, I followed the link and read most of the interview.
Ann Coulter has a big mouth, and like I said earlier has absolutely no place lecturing about religion, but I don't see how she said anything horribly shocking. She gave the perspective of her faith (whether she is genuine in it or not), and knowing her, she couldn't really be expected to answer otherwise. I can't see how any rational person could gather from these comments that she wants a holocaust or anything remotely close.
There are Jews (not Chaim, but some others) who believe that the whole world should convert to Judaism too. There are even some Jewish supremacists (like the people at Revava) who think that Gentiles are subhuman. Do I like these views? No. Am I going to lose sleep over them? No.
But why condemn Ann for practing her religion correctly?
Read Debbie Schlussel's article. She's a good, right-wing, righteous Jew, who follows her religion, too.
If you're condemning Ann over her comments, you're not only supportive of Media Matters Nazism, but do not understand Christianity.
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NewYorker I am a Christian, she does not speak for me. This is not about what Jews believe, it is about what she said. She degraded the Jewish people.
Well, that pretty much proves you don't understand your own religion.
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I DID NOT condemn Ann! I defended her! I said that even though she was not diplomatic, she didn't say anything wrong and cannot be taken to be an anti-Semite.
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Ok guys, don't fight.
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I DID NOT condemn Ann! I defended her! I said that even though she was not diplomatic, she didn't say anything wrong and cannot be taken to be an anti-Semite.
JTF stands for everything Ann does, so, I don't understand how a JTF member could dislike her.
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Like I said earlier, I am not a big fan of hers, but in this particular instance, I don't believe she said anything bad.
All religions would like for everyone to become that religion, to some extent. Christianity does not have a monopoly on that view.
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Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer
Are you an imperfect Jew ? According too Ann ?
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Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer
Are you an imperfect Jew ? According too Ann ?
I believe to be of a chosen people just as the Torah suggests, but I respect the views of Christianity. Every Jew should respect Christianity, even though we disagree with it.
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Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer
Are you an imperfect Jew ? According too Ann ?
I believe to be of a chosen people just as the Torah suggests, but I respect the views of Christianity. Every Jew should respect Christianity, even though we disagree with it.
Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwC9dYl1O2A (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwC9dYl1O2A)
(http://www.nndb.com/people/325/000094043/meir-kahane-2-sized.jpg) Blessings too you and your family.
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Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer
Are you an imperfect Jew ? According too Ann ?
I believe to be of a chosen people just as the Torah suggests, but I respect the views of Christianity. Every Jew should respect Christianity, even though we disagree with it.
Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwC9dYl1O2A (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwC9dYl1O2A)
(http://www.nndb.com/people/325/000094043/meir-kahane-2-sized.jpg) Blessings too you and your family.
Thank you.
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you can see the video of the interview.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200710100008
funnily enough, she actually told him that there are 2 ways. He can either follow the laws, be a practicing jew. Or, do christianity, which is the fast track!
she also said jews can go to heaven.
I really have no problem with any christians that believe that jews won't go to heaven, it's not relevant to me. But this indicates how little she said that can be taken as offensive.
Interestingly, alot of christians nowadays are of the messianic stream.. We jews are always associate messianic judaism with jews for jesus, a form of christianity fraudulently using jewish symbols in order to disguise itself as judaism and trick ignorant jews.
And that tdoes exist. But i've heard time and time again, from christians that are the greatest friends of israel, that they are "messianic". Most messianics are not jews by halacha, and even have no jewish ancestry. They may have some unusual ideology where they consider themselves as jews in the spirit but not jews in the flesh, but they don't pretend to be jews, and they don't call themselves jews at all, without qualification.
Craig Winn , in the discussion with Chaim, that was on youtube , considered himself Messianic.
Walid Shoebat, also, messianic (as are the names that surround him)
Alot of christians are of this stream, and like Ann Coulter, they are great friends of israel.
This was clearly a particularly nasty, crafty interviewer too, at various states in the interview.
Suddenly these self hating jews realise they're jewish, when they can use it to attack jews, israel, or a friend of jews/israel. And Ann Coulter is one of the greatest friends of Israel.
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OK, I followed the link and read most of the interview.
There are Jews (not Chaim, but some others) who believe that the whole world should convert to Judaism too. There are even some Jewish supremacists (like the people at Revava) who think that Gentiles are subhuman. Do I like these views? No. Am I going to lose sleep over them? No.
Thats BS and you know it.
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I was upset when i initially heard this, but I found that Schlussel's article put it in a better perspective. I like Debbie Schlussel. I wonder what Chaim thinks about her. She seems to always be on the right side of the issue and is a proud Jew.
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There's another New Testament quote which Ann Coulter seems to have overlooked in her zeal. If memory serves me, it is in the First Epistle of James?
"Woman, do not dare to teach a man anything!"
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Coulter's "forced, nervous" laugh heard after every comment she utters, is characteristic of alcohol intoxication mixed with regular Valium intake.
Hard core skank if there ever was one.
Where did Coulter "cross the line"?
By being so uncouth and classless as to voice in the public arena an opinion insinuating that the Jews are spiritually "lacking".
Meanwhile, of course, the good Christian Ann exemplifies the life of a cheap alcoholic harlot, complete with numerous paramours, extramarital sex, offending and insulting most of the human race in public, etc...
She S U K S M O N K E Y M E A T
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I just watched the Ann Coulter video on YouTube. I am usually a big fan of Ann Coulter, but her stance on this issue is pretty offensive. Although it is not as bad as Muslims who want to physically kill Jews, I think it speaks to the fact that true Christians who believe in their religion want Jews to become Christians. So in the end Christians can't be fully trusted. Christians may befriend the Jews and act like they have their best interest at heart, but it is often in the hope of conversion because they see the Jews as "incomplete". It is a much different tactic than the Muslim method of killing everyone they don't agree with, but at the end of the day it still results in fewer Jews. True Muslims want to kill non-Muslims. True Christians want to convert non-Christians. I'm thankful for the Christians who do not want to convert, and the Muslims who do not want to kill--fortunately those people are not going by their religion on those points so as to follow a higher morality which is in line with Judaism. Oh, and it's pretty pathetic that one of the faults that Ann found with Judaism is that Jews "have to obey".
If you strong in your jewishness you don't have to be afraid of christians or any one else aside from G-d, they're many more jews turned secular, atheist, liberal or reformed than converting to christianity; both in US and Israel; and inmy opinion liberals palying religius jews like Donny Deutch who work on sabath are in need of some kind of perfection. ::) They're fever jews becouse of intermariage, low birth rate and turning from religion and for only last cause the christians can partialy be blamed; while liberals are responsible for all three.
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Coulter's "forced, nervous" laugh heard after every comment she utters, is characteristic of alcohol intoxication mixed with regular Valium intake.
Hard core skank if there ever was one.
Where did Coulter "cross the line"?
By being so uncouth and classless as to voice in the public arena an opinion insinuating that the Jews are spiritually "lacking".
Meanwhile, of course, the good Christian Ann exemplifies the life of a cheap alcoholic harlot, complete with numerous paramours, extramarital sex, offending and insulting most of the human race in public, etc...
She S U K S M O N K E Y M E A T
Do you actually believe your own rehortic? You can't come up with one valid reason to not like Ann Coulter. You've stated before that she's out for money. Why would she write such unpopular things then? It would make her more famous she were a liberal-minded nutcase. There is more money to be made in the field of appealing to dumb liberals, who greatly outnumber righteous conservatives.
Fake conservatives and liberals see Ann as a threat, because they know she's right, has her facts straight and knows exactly what she's talking about, and she's not willing to conform to their politically correct, brainwashed ways. Why else do you think she's misquoted so often? Why do you think Media Matters is always slandering her? Media Matter only goes after those who state truthful ideas, and try to sell them as hurtful comments.
Ann Coutler is willing to say unpopular things to expose the truth, just as Chaim does in every JTF video.
You happen to write very intelligently, but what is write is a load of baloney. Ann is a hero, and you're just one of her misguided critics, who she laughs at on a daily basis.
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All religions would like for everyone to become that religion, to some extent. Christianity does not have a monopoly on that view.
That's not true.
Jews don't seek converts or proselytise in any way. They must DISCOURAGE those who wish to convert according to Torah.
Ann is not an anti-semite but her views are typical of some christians' "we're the new Israel", replacement theology baloney.
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When the time comes for us all to meet the maker, we can all vouch for each other. ;) All the righteous Jews, Christians, and Noahides. That way if one of us gets it wrong about the whole "messiah" thing, we have each other's back. O0
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The media often takes Coulter out of context. So I think Coulter is owed a chance to explain herself. I don't think you should jump on the James Carville bandwagon (although he's not Jewish); he was quick to brag about how Jews (liberals) he knows are outraged at Coulter.
I'm not sure if her statement was based on politics or theology.
If it was based on politics, then it makes some sense.
I think something related to politics was being discussed. Coulter was saying how things would be great with a massive support of Republicans--I think she really means conservatives, as she isn't too fond of Republicans who abandon conservative principles.
As you know, probably at least 80% of Jews vote for Democrats. So what I think she could have possibly meant, for Jews to be better people in terms of politics, more would vote for Republican candidates rather than just voting for Democrats, regardless of who the Democrat candidate is. If Jimmy Carter were the Democrat in 2008, there'd still probably be close to 80% of Jews who would vote for him.
Here's an article from a couple years ago that someone wrote:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/833ifcua.asp
*Coulter wrote a book about if Democrats had brains, they'd be Republicans. I think what she really means if liberals had brains, they'd be conservatives. Because there are plenty of Republicans who aren't conservative.
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Ann Coulter has mentioned many times of her Christianity, but I think this statement is something she might have said to tweak such "jews" as Abe Foxman. The same type of Jews that JTF is harshly critical of.
If you read what I just posted, I agree with you.
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MassuhDGoodname,
I just saw your post. Tell more about your correspondences with Coulter, what you discussed and what she said to you.
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What if Christians try to convert Jewish students at public schools? It's perfectly legit according to the Bible. You guys say you want true Christians who practice their faith, but how much can you take of them telling you that you're wrong and you have to convert?
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TELL ME HOW THIS WHORE IS ANY DIFFERENT TO ALAN T...
In effect this "pseudo Republican" was saying is that all jews should convert to Christianity...
and i thought she supported the jews but obviously not because she basically states that Christianity needs to become the new superpower to battle Islam, and Judaism has no place in this world... or at least in her dimented demonic dream world...
HOW DARE SHE PROSLETISE THIS "JEWS FOR JESUS" CRAP
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TELL ME HOW THIS WHORE IS ANY DIFFERENT TO ALAN T...
In effect this "pseudo Republican" was saying is that all jews should convert to Christianity...
and i thought she supported the jews but obviously not because she basically states that Christianity needs to become the new superpower to battle Islam, and Judaism has no place in this world... or at least in her dimented demonic dream world...
HOW DARE SHE PROSLETISE THIS "JEWS FOR JESUS" CRAP
Is that what she was doing? I seen this woman many times on news broadcasts and while I don't listen to every word that comes out of her mouth she is good on most issues. If you parse every word that comes out of a persons mouth sooner or later you will hear something you feel is objectionable. The difference between her and Allen-T is Allen-T was here representing JTF she is not. If that is indeed what she said I disagree with her on that point but lets face it not everyone in the world thinks the same way. She is entitled to her point of view for what ever that will get her.
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I'm so glad that she finally has revealed just a glimpse of her true character and world view. If you people here still need a blonde whore to worship there's always Bar Rafaeli for you...she's equally as stupid and loud-mouthed as Coulter..but much, much, easier on the eyes.
Post a pic Massah! :)
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Kananga,
Your wish is my command!
Feast your eyes upon Jewish Beauty!
http://supermodels.nl/barrefaeli/pictures/1 (http://supermodels.nl/barrefaeli/pictures/1)
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:o :D :o whooah!!
Now even though I can't sing like Sammy, you think I might have a chance with her?
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:o :D :o whooah!!
Now even though I can't sing like Sammy, you think I might have a chance with her?
I knew this was going to happen ;D
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Aww what's wrong CeeJay?? Wouldn't you like to see a picture of me with a white wimminz?
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Well, I love Christians...I believe in Christians and Jews joining forces since they are ACTUALLY religions of peace!
However, I greatly dislike the "replacement theory" I'm sorry but Christians are NOT perfected Jews, they are religious Gentiles (and good people)! The covenant that G-d made with the Jewish nation is everlasting. But I dont want to get further into that out of respect for people's beliefs.
All I have to say it that I find it extremely RUDE when a Christian tells me that. And I have seen it!
I have been told the same thing by a Catholic guy at school, he said that so many bad things have happened to Jews in the past and that should be "obvious that the covenant is over" and "Jews are being punished" >:( GRRR! Yea I told HIM what I thought about that! >:(
So basically, it's not nice! If Christians believe that, ok but don't go publically saying that!
As for her saying that "America would be better off if everyone was Christian" well, I'm a little divided over that. I am divided because I believe in the presence of Jews in America as a very positive thing. Jews have been here since before the revolutionary war, being productive citizens! But I would agree with Chaim when he says that Jews have to live in Israel and thus to me---> in the future when Moshiach comes, America should be composed only by Christians while all Jews return to Israel. Overall, I'm divided when it comes to these issues.
Debbie Schlussel is sort of friends with Coulter and Coulter has never criticized her for being Jewish.
Unfortunately, too many Jews defend anti-American groups like the ACLU--that's how it seems.
As usual, the National Jewish Democrat Council is going to criticize Christianity or have another "War on Christmas" rather than waking up about how Islam is taking over.
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Aww what's wrong CeeJay?? Wouldn't you like to see a picture of me with and a white wimminz?
FruitofThyLoins would be having a fit right now. ;D
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Aww what's wrong CeeJay?? Wouldn't you like to see a picture of me with a white wimminz?
Ah Kaga thats a old story in these parts very little shock value in it at all. You see I live in the zebra couple capital of the world. Its just plain disgusting to see. White wimminz and black guy's. Its seems you black guys get the better end of the deal on this one because the last thing I'd want is for you to see is me in a picture with a black wimminz. Something about them they just don't seem to do a thing for me ;) But if you can entice a white woman to pose for a picture or whatever else I am happy for ya you being a loyal forum member and all. I'm a progressive old honkie if I say so myself. I sort of have seen it all so to speak not much gets my goat. When you get your picture you send it right over ::)
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Anyone else see this article?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58089
Ann puts forth the "Christians are perfected Jews" argument.
Is there anyone who can explain how this should not be interpreted as offensive to Jews?
This is exactly what the most Christians believe. They think that the ceremonial law of Judaism is abrogated, because the meaning of this law was in their oppinion to advise all humanity to the coming savior, who is in their believe Jesus. For them is only the moral law (ten commandments) valid.
I read a lot of theological literature. And this is exactly what Johannis Calvin teaches.
Jews believe, that Jesus is only a Jew. He is in their oppinion no prophet, no messias and no son of god.
Christians believe that he is the messias and the son of god.
In my oppinion this two religions are different. Either you are a christian or you are a jew. We shouldn't mix this religions. :)
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How is everyone ok with this? She falls in the exact same category as Pat Buchanan and the like.
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Any one who is faulting Ann Coulter on this is ignorant to the Christian faith.
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What Ann Coulter said was bad, but I wouldn't exactly put her in the same category as Pat Buchanan. Although they may both wish all Jews were Christians, Pat Buchanan also desires that Israel be physically destroyed by terrorists which Ann does not. So the running excrement list includes (but is not limited to) the following, starting with the worst and gradually getting better: Muslims, liberals, Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter.
What said Pat Buchanan exactly? And who is he?
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What Ann Coulter said was bad, but I wouldn't exactly put her in the same category as Pat Buchanan. Although they may both wish all Jews were Christians, Pat Buchanan also desires that Israel be physically destroyed by terrorists which Ann does not. So the running excrement list includes (but is not limited to) the following, starting with the worst and gradually getting better: Muslims, liberals, Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter.
Why don't you read up on Christianity before you take a vicious swipe at Ann Coulter? What she stated was a true Christian belief! Christians believe that Jews should observe the Holy bible, just as Jews believe Gentiles should observe the Seven Noahide Laws! Ann Coulter is a good Christian, person and one who is truly doing holy work. Ann Coulter should be the president of this country! This is one of the most intelligent women this world has to offer. G-d bless Ann Coulter!
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Thats BS and you know it.
I take pretty much all you type with a grain of salt, dude.
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That's not true.
Jews don't seek converts or proselytise in any way. They must DISCOURAGE those who wish to convert according to Torah.
Most do not, you are right, but there is some rabbinical opinion that holds that all non-Jews are idolaters. Do I agree? No. Am I bothered? Not at all.
There is even a small core of militant ultra-Orthodox that are Jewish supremacists, like Revava. They [censored] me off, particularly because they are all phonies in the end, but still, don't outrage me unless they directly attack JTF.
Ann is not an anti-semite but her views are typical of some christians' "we're the new Israel", replacement theology baloney.
Yeah, that is a bunch of crap. I would hold that we are both chosen people. However, I don't think believing everyone should become Christians is necessarily the same as replacement theology. Replacement theology specifically states that there is no value to Judaism whatsoever and that the concept of Israel is obsolete. I do not think Coulter holds to that.
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Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer: "...Ann Coulter is a good Christian, person and one who is truly doing holy work. Ann Coulter should be the president of this country! This is one of the most intelligent women this world has to offer. G-d bless Ann Coulter!"
It obviously doesn't take too much to make some folks deleriously happy.
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It is true that she stated an authentic Christian belief. The belief is that all Jews should become Christians. Unfortunately, just because Christians believe it doesn't make it true or right, just like the fact that Muslims believe Jews are the children of pigs and apes doesn't make it true or right. The Christian belief that Ann Coulter stated just happens to be one of Christians' incorrect beliefs, and one which is on the offensive side. But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc.
Look what you're comparing the belief to! Come on, be sensible! All good Jews should respect the Christian beliefs! The Christians are our allies and play a GREAT role in the future of the Jewish people. G-d has told us so in the Torah!
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Pat Buchanan (Fag Buchanus) is an infamous television political commentator (famous from Crossfire and the McLaughlin Group) who got his start as Nixon's speechwriter. He is a Nazi, of German and Irish descent, who admires Hitler, believes that Nazi war crimimals should not be prosecuted, and basically bashes Israel every chance he gets.
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Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer: "...Ann Coulter is a good Christian, person and one who is truly doing holy work. Ann Coulter should be the president of this country! This is one of the most intelligent women this world has to offer. G-d bless Ann Coulter!"
It obviously doesn't take too much to make some folks deleriously happy.
You don't have one good reason for not liking Ann Coulter. Tons of JTF members have asked you why you think this way, and you can't come up with one valid reason. You say she's out for the money-why? She writes and speaks nothing but the truth, and shares every single view of the JTF movement. She has been combating communists, maskerading as "liberals" for years, and understands that Muslims are evil Nazis who want to destroy us all. Also, she practices her religion the right way!
If that's not a good person, I don't know what is.
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
I hope G-d punishes you.
You are spreading communist nonsense. You are speaking of the Christian faith as if it were Islam! This country was founded upon Christian principles! If you hate Christianity, any part of it, you hate this country!
You are a lousy self-hating Jew. The Torah tells us that the Gentiles are our allies! For you to speak of them this way is disgusting. You are disgusting.
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Pat Buchanan (Fag Buchanus) is an infamous television political commentator (famous from Crossfire and the McLaughlin Group) who got his start as Nixon's speechwriter. He is a Nazi, of German and Irish descent, who admires Hitler, believes that Nazi war crimimals should not be prosecuted, and basically bashes Israel every chance he gets.
Thank you. He seems to be an insane idiot. Israel is the most important state in the battle against the murdermuslimes and the only state jews own. I think there is really no reason for bashing Israel, even if they are killing a few murdermuslimes in selfdefense. From an islamic view, you give a murdermuslime a great gift, because this mentally ill people think, they will go directly to the virgins.
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Re: "...You [MassuhDGoodName] don't have one good reason for not liking Ann Coulter..."
True.
I have a many good reasons to dislike that two-faced ignorant skank whore.
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Re: "...You [MassuhDGoodName] don't have one good reason for not liking Ann Coulter..."
True.
I have a many good reasons to dislike that two-faced ignorant skank whore.
List them. Everybody is telling you to, yet you don't. I'd be very interested to know what they are. Actually, I'm not all that interested, because they would all be nonsense, anyway. She's done nothing but good for America, and somehow you can't comprehend that.
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
Yes some points are right. But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you.
But some Christians even believe the same of catholic christs. We have a user with the name reg07 on our website. He thinks only his group is right and all others, including me as a christian and you as a jew will go to hell and worship satan. This is no Joke.
I don't believe that Jews go to hell. I think only god knows who goes to hell. I have to do the right thing during my lifetime and then i will be juged. I don't know if i pass the test, but i hope.
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
Massuh is right on the money (as usual).
All that BS about 'perfected' or 'completed' Jews is a hare's breath away from 'anti-christ' or 'evil' Jews!
Anybody who even THINKS Jews should convert to ANY faith other than Orthodox, Torah Judaism is an enemy of Jewery.
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
Yes some points are right. But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you.
But some Christians even believe the same of catholic christs. We have a user with the name reg07 on our website. He thinks only his group is right and all others, including me as a christian and you as a jew will go to hell and worship satan. This is no Joke.
I don't believe that Jews go to hell. I think only G-d knows who goes to hell. I have to do the right thing during my lifetime and then i will be juged. I don't know if i pass the test, but i hope.
Good points? He basically stated he thinks Christianity is evil! He's a self-hating Jew communist! Jews should love the Gentiles, because they will play a big role in the future of the Jewish people.
Like I stated before, anybody who hates Christianity, any part of it, hates this country! This country was founded on Christian principles! He belongs in Russia and China, where he can enjoy the company of his fellow anti-Americans.
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
Massuh is right on the money (as usual).
All that BS about 'perfected' or 'completed' Jews is a hare's breath away from 'anti-christ' or 'evil' Jews!
Anybody who even THINKS Jews should convert to ANY faith other than Orthodox, Torah Judaism is an enemy of Jewery.
But we Jews believe that the Christians are wrong for worshipping Christ and following the Ten Commandments. We believe they should follow the Seven Noahide Laws, but we don't believe they're going to hell for it.
And the Christians don't believe we're going to hell for not observing the Christian Bible. Massuh doesn't know what he's talking about. That is false information and something that a communist would say to create trouble! That is what he's doing!
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I am not really an Ann Coulter fan. She kisses up to Bush far too much when push comes to shove, and the fact that she seems somewhat open to a Fagestinian state is very troubling. In general, I lean towards her being a corporate shill who says and does shocking things for ratings.
I definitely think she has a big mouth, and I most certainly would not say what she said.
However, my opinion won't change. While disagreeable, inherently I do not see anti-Semitism in what she stated. If the Dalai Lama said that he felt America should be a Buddhist nation like Tibet, I'd say to myself "Oh, that's charming" and forget about it. I would not presume that what he "really" means is that Buddhists should kill all Christians.
Granted--Christians do not have a lengthy history of persecution from (people claiming to be) Buddhists, but at the same time I don't see that every single Gentile American is a blood libel waiting to happen.
At a minimum, we should wait and see what she says next.
Chaimfan
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
Yes some points are right. But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you.
But some Christians even believe the same of catholic christs. We have a user with the name reg07 on our website. He thinks only his group is right and all others, including me as a christian and you as a jew will go to hell and worship satan. This is no Joke.
I don't believe that Jews go to hell. I think only G-d knows who goes to hell. I have to do the right thing during my lifetime and then i will be juged. I don't know if i pass the test, but i hope.
Good points? He basically stated he thinks Christianity is evil! He's a self-hating Jew communist! Jews should love the Gentiles, because they will play a big role in the future of the Jewish people.
Like I stated before, anybody who hates Christianity, any part of it, hates this country! This country was founded on Christian principles! He belongs in Russia and China, where he can enjoy the company of his fellow anti-Americans.
Please read my text again. Now i sound like a muslime, but you have misunderstand it. The USA are a great country. Freedom in economy, Freedom in believe, Freedom in personal issues. I will never yell at the USA. I admire this land.
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It is true that she stated an authentic Christian belief. The belief is that all Jews should become Christians. Unfortunately, just because Christians believe it doesn't make it true or right, just like the fact that Muslims believe Jews are the children of pigs and apes doesn't make it true or right. The Christian belief that Ann Coulter stated just happens to be one of Christians' incorrect beliefs, and one which is on the offensive side. But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc.
Look what you're comparing the belief to! Come on, be sensible! All good Jews should respect the Christian beliefs! The Christians are our allies and play a GREAT role in the future of the Jewish people. G-d has told us so in the Torah!
What? Good Jews should not respect the Christian beliefs that insult Judaism. If you believe Judaism is not complete that is an insult to Judaism. I will respect the Christian beliefs of peace on Earth and goodwill toward men and loving others. Many Christians are allies, true, but some are conditional allies.
You are the one who's insulted! Don't speak for all Jews! All good Jews respect every aspect of Christianity! We don't observe the Christian bible, because it is Jewish law.
It is insane for a Jew to be insulted by the Christian belief that Jews should observe the Christian Bible, just as it is insane for a Christian to be insulted by the Jewish belief that Christians should follow the Seven Noahide Laws!
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And the Christians don't believe we're going to hell for not observing the Christian Bible. Massuh doesn't know what he's talking about. That is false information and something that a communist would say to create trouble! That is what he's doing!
Oh yes they do!
Have a listen to those cursed missionaries next time they're pestering Jews somewhere.
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
Yes some points are right. But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you.
But some Christians even believe the same of catholic christs. We have a user with the name reg07 on our website. He thinks only his group is right and all others, including me as a christian and you as a jew will go to hell and worship satan. This is no Joke.
I don't believe that Jews go to hell. I think only G-d knows who goes to hell. I have to do the right thing during my lifetime and then i will be juged. I don't know if i pass the test, but i hope.
Good points? He basically stated he thinks Christianity is evil! He's a self-hating Jew communist! Jews should love the Gentiles, because they will play a big role in the future of the Jewish people.
Like I stated before, anybody who hates Christianity, any part of it, hates this country! This country was founded on Christian principles! He belongs in Russia and China, where he can enjoy the company of his fellow anti-Americans.
Please read my text again. Now i sound like a muslime, but you have misunderstand it. The USA are a great country. Freedom in economy, Freedom in believe, Freedom in personal issues. I will never yell at the USA. I admire this land.
Agreeing with anything he said is insane. Massauh shouldn't be a part of this movement. He's a disgrace as a Jew and a person. He writes very intelligently, but he's obviously not that intelligent, overall.
And why hasn't he listed his reasons for not liking Ann Coulter? Only liberals hate Ann Coulter for exposing their communist evils!
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And the Christians don't believe we're going to hell for not observing the Christian Bible. Massuh doesn't know what he's talking about. That is false information and something that a communist would say to create trouble! That is what he's doing!
Oh yes they do!
Have a listen to those cursed missionaries next time they're pestering Jews somewhere.
I'm talking about real Christians. There are a lot of evil Christians, just as their are evil Jews. The Christian Bible doesn't say anything about this. If a "Christian" isn't following everything the Christian Bible says, he is not a good Christian. And if a Christian says Jews are going to hell for not observing the Christian bible, he's not following his religion correctly.
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
That is true in some cases, but I don't think Ann's brand of Christianity calls for physical violence against Jews or the destruction of Israel, or even their forced conversion. Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, and Ron Paul all would like to see Israel destroyed and Ann wouldn't. There are different levels of being against the Jews, some are more serious than others. But those like Ann Coulter cannot completely be trusted because in the end they don't have Jews' best interest at heart, and even if they wouldn't advocate forced conversion or violence, they might try to convert Jews through missionary tactics.
If you think Ann Coulter is like that, you're either a communist or don't know very much about her.
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And the Christians don't believe we're going to hell for not observing the Christian Bible. Massuh doesn't know what he's talking about. That is false information and something that a communist would say to create trouble! That is what he's doing!
Oh yes they do!
Have a listen to those cursed missionaries next time they're pestering Jews somewhere.
I'm talking about real Christians. There are a lot of evil Christians, just as their are evil Jews. The Christian Bible doesn't say anything about this. If a "Christian" isn't following everything the Christian Bible says, he is not a good Christian. And if a Christian says Jews are going to hell for not observing the Christian bible, he's not following his religion correctly.
Bull!
The carpenter himself said nobody comes to G_D except through him! Their 'bible' (cough) is very clear......believe in their 'massiah' (cough) or you're going to hell.
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And the Christians don't believe we're going to hell for not observing the Christian Bible. Massuh doesn't know what he's talking about. That is false information and something that a communist would say to create trouble! That is what he's doing!
Oh yes they do!
Have a listen to those cursed missionaries next time they're pestering Jews somewhere.
I'm talking about real Christians. There are a lot of evil Christians, just as their are evil Jews. The Christian Bible doesn't say anything about this. If a "Christian" isn't following everything the Christian Bible says, he is not a good Christian. And if a Christian says Jews are going to hell for not observing the Christian bible, he's not following his religion correctly.
Bull!
The carpenter himself said nobody comes to G_D except through him! Their 'bible' (cough) is very clear......believe in their 'massiah' (cough) or you're going to hell.
Yes this is right, but in the believe of Johannis Calvin G-d chooses the christian, like he chooses Abraham. But how can a christian know, that he is choosen? This is a problem.
I think the right thing is simply to tell Coulter, when she comes to you:
I am a Jew. I think Jesus is a Jew and nothing more. Leave me alone and don't talk of this issue again, because i will never change my oppinion.
When some mormons or G-d's Witnesses come to me, i say this similar from my christian believe to them clearly and then i close my door.
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Re: "...Massuh doesn't know what he's talking about. That is false information and something that a communist would say to create trouble! That is what he's doing!.."
Sure!
That's it!
Guess I have to be banned now, right?
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What Ann Coulter is not a big deal, that's what most Christians think and it's part of their religion. At least she's being honest. I got no problem with Christians believing what they want to believe as long as they don't try and convert me or hate Jews and they respect my beliefs just as I respect their's. We got a lot of righteous Christians on this forum.
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I am a Jew. I think Jesus is a Jew and nothing more. Leave me alone and don't talk of this issue again, because i will never change my oppinion.
When some mormons or G-d's Witnesses come to me, i say this to them clearly and then i close my door.
I say a damn sight more than that to missionaries. :D
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Re: "...Good points? He basically stated he thinks Christianity is evil! He's a self-hating Jew communist!..."
LISTEN UP YOU STUPID [censored]...
DON'T YOU EVER CALL ME A SELF-HATING JEW OR A COMMUNIST, AND DON'T YOU EVER "CAST ASPERSIONS" AGAINST ME, PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH WHICH I NEVER WROTE, OR BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ME AGAIN.
YOU JERKS OWE ME A BIG-TIME APOLOGY.
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It is true that she stated an authentic Christian belief. The belief is that all Jews should become Christians. Unfortunately, just because Christians believe it doesn't make it true or right, just like the fact that Muslims believe Jews are the children of pigs and apes doesn't make it true or right. The Christian belief that Ann Coulter stated just happens to be one of Christians' incorrect beliefs, and one which is on the offensive side. But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc.
Look what you're comparing the belief to! Come on, be sensible! All good Jews should respect the Christian beliefs! The Christians are our allies and play a GREAT role in the future of the Jewish people. G-d has told us so in the Torah!
Where?
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Ann Coulter remarks were anything but anti-Semitic...they were a simple statement on Christian doctrine. For those of you who missed this lesson in Sunday school...Christians believe G-d made them the new "chosen people" after the Jews failed to keep his commandments.
It's also why they call our testament "old" and their testament "new".
Anyone who truly believes in their religion, believe they are the chosen people, so Christians are no different, and neither are Buddhists or Hindus.
I think the main point people are missing is who is behind this scandal....the Soros funded Media Matters, also responsible for firing Don Imus. Should we take the cheap ploys of a self-hating Jew, who help confiscate the property of his fellow Jews who were being sent to the gas chambers to save his pathetic behind...http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust
It doesn't surprise me that the liberal Jews are the ones crying victim over this. Aren't these the same Jews who support the "Oslo Accords" Clinton's, who supported the Orwellian peace process that puts Israel on the chopping block, and who know nothing about Judaism even if it smacked them in the face!
These Jews have hurt the Jewish cause more perniciously than Ann Coulter ever could...
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Re: "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."
AND THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE, HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO A WORD HE SAID, HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE BY HIM, SAYS WORLDS AGAINST YOU!
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Re: "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."
They stood by and whistled while the holocaust was occurring! Why?....
Precisely because of the christian beliefs that coulter was spouting...."the Jews are cursed, they won't accept yeshu....blah blah blah".
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I think that MassuhDGoodName has been insulted unjustly. He's a very smart guy and I agree with most of what he wrote.
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Re: "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."
AND THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE, HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO A WORD HE SAID, HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE BY HIM, SAYS WORLDS AGAINST YOU!
It is right. I read only a few short scriptures of him, like letter to the world and i heard a long interview with him with Larry King. All what he said was intelligent and his arguments were logical. But i can't say, that i know a lot of his texts or speeches. I don't wan't to offend you. All i wanted to say, was that the USA are a free, good land. In Europe, specially in Germany it was through the most times the hell on earth for the Jews. The USA are a Christian country and they develop in a differnt way to the christian countries in Europe.
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I like you Newman. You know what the deal is, when it comes to the Jews. Coulter can drop dead for all I care.
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I think MassuhDGoodName and newman are the only voices of reason here.
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Re: "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."
AND THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE, HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO A WORD HE SAID, HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE BY HIM, SAYS WORLDS AGAINST YOU!
It is right. I read only a few short scriptures of him, like letter to the world and i heard a long interview with him with Larry King. All what he said was intelligent and his arguments were logical. But i can't say, that i know a lot of his texts or speeches. I don't wan't to offend you. All i wanted to say, was that the USA are a free, good land. In Europe, specially in Germany it was through the most times the hell on earth for the Jews. The USA are a Christian country and they develop in a differnt way to the christian countries in Europe.
Actually expecially in Germany their were Jews who felt it was the new Jerusalem. Obviously at times of economic success their were less persecution, but once a problem set in you know who was and is allways blamed. What Rav Kahane ZTL HYD said and wrote was the same in regards to America. In America now their is relative economic success and many people are bissy with telivision (sports, etc.), internet and consumerism and the Jew doesnt really bother them. They have hatred but as long as they have their doller menue hamburgers their happy. Of course everyone has free choice, but if you want to look at reality you should know that at least 90% of a chance of their being severe anti-semitism even here if and once the economy crashes, etc.
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Re: "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."
AND THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE, HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO A WORD HE SAID, HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE BY HIM, SAYS WORLDS AGAINST YOU!
It is right. I read only a few short scriptures of him, like letter to the world and i heard a long interview with him with Larry King. All what he said was intelligent and his arguments were logical. But i can't say, that i know a lot of his texts or speeches. I don't wan't to offend you. All i wanted to say, was that the USA are a free, good land. In Europe, specially in Germany it was through the most times the hell on earth for the Jews. The USA are a Christian country and they develop in a differnt way to the christian countries in Europe.
Actually expecially in Germany their were Jews who felt it was the new Jerusalem. Obviously at times of economic success their were less persecution, but once a problem set in you know who was and is allways blamed. What Rav Kahane ZTL HYD said and wrote was the same in regards to America. In America now their is relative economic success and many people are bissy with telivision (sports, etc.), internet and consumerism and the Jew doesnt really bother them. They have hatred but as long as they have their doller menue hamburgers their happy. Of course everyone has free choice, but if you want to look at reality you should know that at least 90% of a chance of their being severe anti-semitism even here if and once the economy crashes, etc.
Yes i remember, that Rabbi Kahane said that in similar words, in the interview with Larry King. There could be a danger, but the Americans i know personally, are differnt to the most Germans in one important point. They don't have this envy to economicial success. In Germany the most people yelling at the "rich". I think the half of all Germans likes the social welfare state. But the right way is to care for your family with own hard work. Perhaps this envy is one important cause for antisemitism.
When the american consciousness will change, from freedom to a socialistic attitude, there is shurly danger for the freedom and for the Jews. In this sight Rabbi Kahane is right.
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Ann Coulter remarks were anything but anti-Semitic...they were a simple statement on Christian doctrine. For those of you who missed this lesson in Sunday school...Christians believe G-d made them the new "chosen people" after the Jews failed to keep his commandments.
It's also why they call our testament "old" and their testament "new".
Anyone who truly believes in their religion, believe they are the chosen people, so Christians are no different, and neither are Buddhists or Hindus.
I think the main point people are missing is who is behind this scandal....the Soros funded Media Matters, also responsible for firing Don Imus. Should we take the cheap ploys of a self-hating Jew, who help confiscate the property of his fellow Jews who were being sent to the gas chambers to save his pathetic behind...http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust
It doesn't surprise me that the liberal Jews are the ones crying victim over this. Aren't these the same Jews who support the "Oslo Accords" Clinton's, who supported the Orwellian peace process that puts Israel on the chopping block, and who know nothing about Judaism even if it smacked them in the face!
These Jews have hurt the Jewish cause more perniciously than Ann Coulter ever could...
AMEN
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I think that MassuhDGoodName has been insulted unjustly. He's a very smart guy and I agree with most of what he wrote.
Insulted? This man is a communist. He has outright called Christianity evil. He's talking about the beliefs that the US was founded on!
Any Jew who doesn't respect Christianity is a self-hating Jew. The Torah encourages us to embrace the Gentiles because they play a big role in our future. Massuh doesn't feel the same way. He feels he's above G-d, and can follow his own twisted version of Judaism, where he can hate the Christians and still consider himself a good Jew.
One of the biggest fundamentals of the Communist Manifesto is to tear down Christianity and the Constitution. Since the Christian faith is linked to that beautiful document, any hate torward Christianity or any of its beliefs is against the Constitution. Anyone who is against the Constitution is a communist. Any person who is against the Christian religion is a communist. Massauh is a communist, because he fits the bill of one perfectly.
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Re: "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."
They stood by and whistled while the holocaust was occurring! Why?....
Precisely because of the christian beliefs that coulter was spouting...."the Jews are cursed, they won't accept yeshu....blah blah blah".
You do realize that many Christians and priests died in the Holocaust, don't you? And the majority of US troops were Christians! Your unfounded hate for Christianity is disgusting.
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I think that MassuhDGoodName has been insulted unjustly. He's a very smart guy and I agree with most of what he wrote.
Insulted? This man is a communist. He has outright called Christianity evil. He's talking about the beliefs that the US was founded on!
Any Jew who doesn't respect Christianity is a self-hating Jew. The Torah encourages us to embrace the Gentiles because they play a big role in our future. Massuh doesn't feel the same way. He feels he's above G-d, and can follow his own twisted version of Judaism, where he can hate the Christians and still consider himself a good Jew.
One of the biggest fundamentals of the Communist Manifesto is to tear down Christianity and the Constitution. Since the Christian faith is linked to that beautiful document, any hate torward Christianity or any of its beliefs is against the Constitution. Anyone who is against the Constitution is a communist. Any person who is against the Christian religion is a communist. Massauh is a communist, because he fits the bill of one perfectly.
Not true. The Rambam and most Rabbis hold that Xtianity is Avodah Zara.
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I think that MassuhDGoodName has been insulted unjustly. He's a very smart guy and I agree with most of what he wrote.
Insulted? This man is a communist. He has outright called Christianity evil. He's talking about the beliefs that the US was founded on!
Any Jew who doesn't respect Christianity is a self-hating Jew. The Torah encourages us to embrace the Gentiles because they play a big role in our future. Massuh doesn't feel the same way. He feels he's above G-d, and can follow his own twisted version of Judaism, where he can hate the Christians and still consider himself a good Jew.
One of the biggest fundamentals of the Communist Manifesto is to tear down Christianity and the Constitution. Since the Christian faith is linked to that beautiful document, any hate torward Christianity or any of its beliefs is against the Constitution. Anyone who is against the Constitution is a communist. Any person who is against the Christian religion is a communist. Massauh is a communist, because he fits the bill of one perfectly.
Not true. The Rambam and most Rabbis hold that Xtianity is Avodah Zara.
Which rabbis?
The only flaws Jews see in Christianity is the Christian's worship of Christ and their following of the Ten Commandments. We believe their imperfections can be cured by solely worshipping G-d and following the Seven Noahide Laws.
Now, see that's coming from a Jew from a Jewish perspective. So, how is what I just said any better than what Ann Coulter said. Stop feeding into the Nazi concepts of Media Matters, this is exactly what they want you to think!
Ann Coulter is following her religion to the way, the way G-d told her to in the Christian Bible. How anybody can fault on that is beyond me. Oh, wait, communists would.
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Re: "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."
They stood by and whistled while the holocaust was occurring! Why?....
Precisely because of the christian beliefs that coulter was spouting...."the Jews are cursed, they won't accept yeshu....blah blah blah".
You do realize that many Christians and priests died in the Holocaust, don't you? And the majority of US troops were Christians! Your unfounded hate for Christianity is disgusting.
Those soldiers were fighting for their own countries' freedom, not to save Jews. The undeniable FACT is that allied governments did NOTHING while they knew full well about the death camps. The Vatican did a deal with the nazis and remained silent.
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What said Pat Buchanan exactly? And who is he?
Pat Buchanan was against the Iraq War and he was looking for people to blame it on. So he wrote a book accusing it of being Israel's War and accusing the US of fighting Israel's War. So on the issue of the Iraq War, Buchanan fueled propaganda for the far-left (such as moveon.org) and StørmFrønt type groups and encouraged them to blame the war on Israel.
On domestic issues, Buchanan is conservative.
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Pat Buchanan (Fag Buchanus) is an infamous television political commentator (famous from Crossfire and the McLaughlin Group) who got his start as Nixon's speechwriter. He is a Nazi, of German and Irish descent, who admires Hitler, believes that Nazi war crimimals should not be prosecuted, and basically bashes Israel every chance he gets.
When Nixon was president, he continued the Vietnam War. Do you know if that pissed off Buchanan?
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Re: "...But the USA are one of the most Christian countries and they never tried to make a holocaust. This is in my oppinion a point against you..."
AND THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE, HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO A WORD HE SAID, HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE BY HIM, SAYS WORLDS AGAINST YOU!
Then why don't you help educate him?
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It's time to lock this thread... :-X
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Yes i remember, that Rabbi Kahane said that in similar words, in the interview with Larry King. There could be a danger, but the Americans i know personally, are differnt to the most Germans in one important point. They don't have this envy to economicial success. In Germany the most people yelling at the "rich". I think the half of all Germans likes the social welfare state. But the right way is to care for your family with own hard work. Perhaps this envy is one important cause for antisemitism.
When the american consciousness will change, from freedom to a socialistic attitude, there is shurly danger for the freedom and for the Jews. In this sight Rabbi Kahane is right.
"In Germany the most people yelling at the "rich".
Do you ever listen to politicians speak. Many Democrats try to provoke envy of economic success and they accuse Republicans of only being concerned about rich people.
Hillary Clinton is the favorite to become president and her goal is to create a socialistic attitude.
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My two cents: I think what Ann Coulter said was only her belief that most Christian sects advocate openly and/or silently. Of course she disagrees with Jews and Judaism that is what makes her Christian. Sadly, her ignorance is astounding in many areas aside from the basic Dem vs. Replicans imo.
We all know that Christian support for the Jew and Israel is a minority. Her statements were simply those akin to those Christian, Protestant, Lutherine, Catholic and even secular leaders over the centuries bringing the pogroms and inquisitions in Europe..... Never say what happened in Europe cannot happen here. Germany was the most "educated" and "enlightened" nation in Europe in the 1920-40's. This is even happening in Israel... so why people profess that it cannot happen in Canada, Australia or America is beyond me. MassuhD is right on this. Rabbi Kahane wrote extensively on this subject: "Never Again", "Uncomfortable Questions for Comfortable Jews", "Why Be Jewish?" to name a few of his books that mention or deal with the possibilities to which he justifies that only a Jewish Israel is the remedy to the plight of the Jews: "Dear World"....
I agree with Ann Coulter on political issues but she has out done herself. She is not only an ignoramus when it comes to her knowledge on Christian history and that of Judaism....sadly like the majority of self professing "Christians" and "Jews". Anyone who keeps an open mind and knows factually correct Christian History would conclude that with what 34000 sects of Christianity operating globally today, with far fewer during the first 1500 years of Christian History was nothing but conflict between Catholics vs. Pagan, State vs. Catholic, Catholic vs. Christian Sects., Christian Sects vs. Christian Sects. Christian vs. Catholic vs. Secular......and all vs. the Jew... as per Ann Coulter... I see nothing much has changed....imo
I remember listening to Savage engague Jerry Falwell and cut him short due to Falwell taking a similar public position as Ms. Coulter...with specific referance to a passage in John, I believe.
MassuhD is spot on in this case....imo and he is no self hating Jew nor a communist....
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There are Jews who believe all Christians should convert to being at least Noahides. No, this is not the leadership position of JTF, but I am willing to bet that several JTF members feel this way, privately.
If I knew for a fact that some of you do believe and want that, will I stop liking them? No!
I don't care what anyone's opinion of what my faith should be is so long as I am treated with respect.
This should be the end of this thread.
Chaimfan
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When Nixon was president, he continued the Vietnam War. Do you know if that pissed off Buchanan?
I do not think he gave a crap one way or the other. His only concern is punishing the Jews, not actual issues pertaining to the welfare and survival of America.
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I do not think he gave a crap one way or the other. His only concern is punishing the Jews, not actual issues pertaining to the welfare and survival of America.
Wasn't Buchanan was one of the first politicians or political pundits who recognized the problem of illegal aliens more than a decade ago?
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OK, I followed the link and read most of the interview.
Ann Coulter has a big mouth, and like I said earlier has absolutely no place lecturing about religion, but I don't see how she said anything horribly shocking. She gave the perspective of her faith (whether she is genuine in it or not), and knowing her, she couldn't really be expected to answer otherwise. I can't see how any rational person could gather from these comments that she wants a holocaust or anything remotely close.
There are Jews (not Chaim, but some others) who believe that the whole world should convert to Judaism too. There are even some Jewish supremacists (like the people at Revava) who think that Gentiles are subhuman. Do I like these views? No. Am I going to lose sleep over them? No.
That is not true, C.F.
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There are Jews (not Chaim, but some others) who believe that the whole world should convert to Judaism too.
Not Orthodox ones. Some of the Conservatives proselytize.
There are even some Jewish supremacists (like the people at Revava) who think that Gentiles are subhuman.
That is also not a Jewish view.
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there is some rabbinical opinion that holds that all non-Jews are idolaters. Do I agree? No. Am I bothered? Not at all.
CF you`re just writing more untruths. No jews think that gentiles are subhuman, (you thought jews on revava? or elsewhere? Show us then) You wrote that earlier, anad I stupidly let it pass. But somebody else said BS. Show your evidence.
Jews don`t anywhere. Not secular jews. Not religious jews. Of any kind.
The closest thing, is the belief that Jews have a greater potential for holyness. By virtue of having a different soul, that is holier. Many with that belief also hold that jews have a greater potential for not just good, but bad too.
The only places I hve seen with this tripe, is from anti-semitic nazi sites or a muslim sites like the answering-christianity site, that copy/pasted from them. The nazi sites quoted from israel shahak , a self hating anti-semite who had to admit that he made up a story about a religious jew refusing to save the life of a non-jew on shabbat.
And no. Non-jews aren`t viewed as idolators either. By anybody.
(there is an obscure passage in the talmud quoted by kahane, that jews living outside israel are -like- idolators. But I don`t see how you could have confused that)
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I don't think any Jew thinks the world should convert to Judaism.
Also, that s#it on nazi sites like 'Gentiles are subhuman' or Gentile girls are donkeys or whatever...that is ridiculous.
There is no possible way that any sane, righteous Jew thinks this way, nor is it hidden in some 'secret Jew Talmud'.
Hahaha I see that on all the arab muslim nazi comments and it gets annoying their lies and misinterpretations.
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I didn't read the whole thread only a little bit of the first post.
Anyways, she was being asked about how would the world be perfect in her eyes. She was saying she wished everyon was Christian and Conservative. Is there anything wrong with that? No. Everyone is claims to say their okay with other people having different views, but in a perfect world to you, everyone would think like you and you would love that you wouldn't be like "this sucks no one disagrees with me."
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I don't think any Jew thinks the world should convert to Judaism.
Also, that s#it on nazi sites like 'Gentiles are subhuman' or Gentile girls are donkeys or whatever...that is ridiculous.
There is no possible way that any sane, righteous Jew thinks this way, nor is it hidden in some 'secret Jew Talmud'.
Hahaha I see that on all the arab muslim nazi comments and it gets annoying their lies and misinterpretations.
I have never heard, that Jews want to convert gentiles to Jews too. I think, the way that Jews handle this conversion issue, is very smart. Only the person can become a Jew, who really feels like a Jew and learns all important theological issues about his new religion. When you look on the christian evangelization, i don't think that this aggressive "promotion" is the right way. Partly they have no standarts for convertites. What i have seen on the internet was insane. There is a "christian" group, which prints posters, where Jesus washes Osama bin Laden the feet. I think christian groups should handle this issue like the Jews. Then there will be less home made problems for them and our Christian Jewish cooperation. The most important thing is, the christians has to accept a "no". Some stories i have heard about "social institutions", who want to "trap" Jews, who have less knowledge about their religion, with social benefits to become christians are abhorrent. No Jew would do this. We christians should handle it like the Jews.
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I don't think any Jew thinks the world should convert to Judaism.
Also, that s#it on nazi sites like 'Gentiles are subhuman' or Gentile girls are donkeys or whatever...that is ridiculous.
There is no possible way that any sane, righteous Jew thinks this way, nor is it hidden in some 'secret Jew Talmud'.
Hahaha I see that on all the arab muslim nazi comments and it gets annoying their lies and misinterpretations.
I have never heard, that Jews want to convert gentiles to Jews too. I think, the way that Jews handle this conversion issue, is very smart. Only the person can become a Jew, who really feels like a Jew and learns all important theological issues about his new religion. When you look on the christian evangelization, i don't think that this aggressive "promotion" is the right way. Partly they have no standarts for convertites. What i have seen on the internet was insane. There is a "christian" group, which prints posters, where Jesus washes Osama bin Laden the feet. I think christian groups should handle this issue like the Jews. Then there will be less home made problems for them and our Christian Jewish cooperation. The most important thing is, the christians has to accept a "no". Some stories i have heard about "social institutions", who want to "trap" Jews, who have less knowledge about their religion, with social benefits to become christians are abhorrent. No Jew would do this. We christians should handle it like the Jews.
I think the best example for my thesis is Barak Hussein Obama! :D
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There are Jews who believe all Christians should convert to being at least Noahides. No, this is not the leadership position of JTF, but I am willing to bet that several JTF members feel this way, privately.
If I knew for a fact that some of you do believe and want that, will I stop liking them? No!
I don't care what anyone's opinion of what my faith should be is so long as I am treated with respect.
This should be the end of this thread.
Chaimfan
It isn't the Jews that believe that all Christians should convert to become Noahides but the Bible. Most Jews know, unless they are ignorant anti-Jew Leftist scum, know that the 7 Laws of Noah were applicable to the Gentile while the 10 Law (613) Commandments apply solely to the Jew and not the Gentile. Judaism is a non-prostylizing faith. I have never heard of Jews doing this unless they are Jews for Jesus (Christians) deliberately working towards the conversion....
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There are Jews who believe all Christians should convert to being at least Noahides. No, this is not the leadership position of JTF, but I am willing to bet that several JTF members feel this way, privately.
If I knew for a fact that some of you do believe and want that, will I stop liking them? No!
I don't care what anyone's opinion of what my faith should be is so long as I am treated with respect.
This should be the end of this thread.
Chaimfan
It isn't the Jews that believe that all Christians should convert to become Noahides but the Bible. Most Jews know, unless they are ignorant anti-Jew Leftist scum, know that the 7 Laws of Noah were applicable to the Gentile while the 10 Law (613) Commandments apply solely to the Jew and not the Gentile. Judaism is a non-prostylizing faith. I have never heard of Jews doing this unless they are Jews for Jesus (Christians) deliberately working towards the conversion....
Judaism is about quality not quantity, it doesn't matter the number of Jews but are they good Jews.
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I think that MassuhDGoodName has been insulted unjustly. He's a very smart guy and I agree with most of what he wrote.
Insulted? This man is a communist. He has outright called Christianity evil. He's talking about the beliefs that the US was founded on!
Any Jew who doesn't respect Christianity is a self-hating Jew. The Torah encourages us to embrace the Gentiles because they play a big role in our future. Massuh doesn't feel the same way. He feels he's above G-d, and can follow his own twisted version of Judaism, where he can hate the Christians and still consider himself a good Jew.
One of the biggest fundamentals of the Communist Manifesto is to tear down Christianity and the Constitution. Since the Christian faith is linked to that beautiful document, any hate torward Christianity or any of its beliefs is against the Constitution. Anyone who is against the Constitution is a communist. Any person who is against the Christian religion is a communist. Massauh is a communist, because he fits the bill of one perfectly.
Not true. The Rambam and most Rabbis hold that Xtianity is Avodah Zara.
Which rabbis?
The only flaws Jews see in Christianity is the Christian's worship of Christ and their following of the Ten Commandments. We believe their imperfections can be cured by solely worshipping G-d and following the Seven Noahide Laws.
Now, see that's coming from a Jew from a Jewish perspective. So, how is what I just said any better than what Ann Coulter said. Stop feeding into the Nazi concepts of Media Matters, this is exactly what they want you to think!
Ann Coulter is following her religion to the way, the way G-d told her to in the Christian Bible. How anybody can fault on that is beyond me. Oh, wait, communists would.
It's true that Ann Coulter has a right to her religious beliefs in this country even if they are incorrect, but it is unsettling to me that as a Jew you would think of the belief that Gentiles should obey the Noahide Laws as no better than Ann Coulter's statements. This is similar to those who stick up for the Muslims because "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" and think that we are no better than the terrorists. If you put a moral equivalence between Ann Coulter's "perfected Jews" beliefs and the Jewish belief on Noahide Laws, then that means you don't really stand for the Jewish belief.
It's no different! We believe that the Christians are imperfect, too, that's why we believe they should change some of their principles. The Christians share the same mindset. Closely analyze Coulter's statement.
And when I say "Christians", I mean the good ones, not the ones who say you're going to hell for following the wrong religion. Good Christians are not like that.
If you are saying the Christian religion is flawed than you are saying this country is flawed. Only a communist would say such a thing.
This is what Media Matter wants you to think. They are a communist organization, and they're mission is running smoothly! People must realize Ann Coulter is innocent, and her critics are the evil ones!
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You can’t blame Ann Coulter for what the Bible says...It's not fair to single her out.
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It's true that good Christians don't believe that Jews will go to hell for not believing in Jesus, but unfortunately those aren't true Christians. True Christianity based on the New Testament has always believed that the only path to salvation is Jesus, which ties in with why Ann Coulter wants all Jews to become Christians. It's kind of the same way with Muslims. Good Muslims don't kill people or support killing people, but those are not true Muslims since true Muslims do kill people. A good Christian/Muslim is not always the same thing as a true Christian/Muslim.
Also, Christianity is not perfect, and America isn't perfect either. They both can have some flaws and it is not communist to say so. Usually critics of Ann Coulter are evil people, but not in this case. In this case criticism against her is well founded.
The criticism was fueled by the Nazis of Media Matters. True Christians aren't like Muslims, and how dare you say such a thing. This country was intended to be perfect. The original Constitution was perfect.
As Jew, I believe Christianity is imperfect. Ann Coulter as a Christian is entitled by G-d's word to feel the same way about Judaism.
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I don't want to get into it...BUT
A Jew is a Jew
and a Christian is a Christian....one can't be the other and are both compeletely different faiths.
What matters to you and me and Gd is that one is Righteous...plain in simple..it doesn't matter the faith one follows.
Christianity and Judaism are not only completely different faiths. The first is a religion and the second a Chosen Nation. It cannot be compared.
A Jew is still a Jew even if he doesn't believe. A Christian is defined by his belief.
For example, you can say that a doctor and a lawyer are different jobs, because even though they are different, both are at least jobs. But you can't even say that Maths and Communism are different sciences. Because Maths is a science, but Communism an ideology.
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DanBenNoah: "...But it is not as bad as Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, Ron Paul, etc..."
Oh, no?
Doesn't it make perfect sense, that if you view an entire group of people in your very midst, those who live on your block, go to school with you, work with you etc... as imperfected, incomplete, without the knowledge of G-d, unsaved (damned to eternal Hell for rejecting G-d's own Son"...then it's only a hop, skip, and jump from that world view to this one...
"The reason Jews are murdered and terrorized, and have been thrown out of most countries throughout history, is because they deserve whatever they get, because they murdered G-d who came here as a man to save the entire world, and still they refuse to accept the perfect truth of Our Precious Lord!"..."Either you're for G-d, or against Him!"..."It's obvious that Jews all hate G-d and worship Satan...just like it says in the Bible!" "They will never be fully human or complete, and it's all their own fault!"
That is true in some cases, but I don't think Ann's brand of Christianity calls for physical violence against Jews or the destruction of Israel, or even their forced conversion. Pat Buchanan, liberals, Muslims, and Ron Paul all would like to see Israel destroyed and Ann wouldn't. There are different levels of being against the Jews, some are more serious than others. But those like Ann Coulter cannot completely be trusted because in the end they don't have Jews' best interest at heart, and even if they wouldn't advocate forced conversion or violence, they might try to convert Jews through missionary tactics.
In fact she's has best interest of jews in her her heart; in her opinion; ortodox jews belive that their way is better and christians belive that their way is better; only way tobe sure is to wait for Mesiash to come; this whole thread is silly realy why care becouse some (wo)man tells you that you going going to hell? As long as she don't try to kill you like muslim do it' only her opinion; My self was called a devil by my priest becouse I read Scriptures and dared to dicouse them with him; Now I Think; G-d bless bless him becouse I left the RCC thanks to his curses.
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As long as she don't try to kill you
I think if ann coulter came to kill me, if she wasn`t armed, it`d be the most exciting thing that ever happened to me.
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Now that's funny ;D
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Jews 4 Jesus,,will it ever stop?...no such thing as a Jewish xtain.As soon as you put a intermediatary in there,well it becomes contrary to Jewish beliefs.
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Orthodox Ravs say that Chtistians don't even need to convert to Noahidism, since they already are Bnei Noah. A Rav from Satmar (surely you won't like him for being anti-zionist) told me that Christianity is permitted under the Noahide Laws.
And regarding Jews4jesus, if their mother is Jewish they are still Jews. A Jew can even be an atheist or a pagan but he'll never lose his Jewishness. If he lives Judaism or not .....it's another question.
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In fact she's has best interest of jews in her her heart; in her opinion; ortodox jews belive that their way is better and christians belive that their way is better; only way tobe sure is to wait for Mesiash to come; this whole thread is silly realy why care becouse some (wo)man tells you that you going going to hell? As long as she don't try to kill you like muslim do it' only her opinion; My self was called a devil by my priest becouse I read Scriptures and dared to dicouse them with him; Now I Think; G-d bless bless him becouse I left the RCC thanks to his curses.
Ann doesn't have the best interest of the Jews at heart. She will only support Jews to the extent that it doesn't clash with her personal belief system. She's definitely an ally in the short term, but she wouldn't be an ally in the long term like a Noahide would. We don't have to be afraid of Ann Coulter's theology, just like we are not afraid of the messianic beliefs of many Christians who support Israel who believe that at some point all Jews will be converted to Christianity, but that does not mean we give her a pass on those beliefs when she's blatantly stating them. We will probably see in time that as Israel gets stronger and more Orthodox in practice, they will lose the support of more and more Christians. When they see that the Temple is built and Jesus doesn't come, they will turn on the Jewish people. When the true Messiah is revealed, many Christians will probably think he is the anti-Christ.
I agree but only IF. And i will tell this again that she did a more for Israel than anybody on this forum so far; And if you think that Donny Deutch atacked her becouse he defended his judaism; you're deluded; we all know what liberal jews write about Rabbi Kahane for ex.
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Orthodox Ravs say that Chtistians don't even need to convert to Noahidism, since they already are Bnei Noah. A Rav from Satmar (surely you won't like him for being anti-zionist) told me that Christianity is permitted under the Noahide Laws.
And regarding Jews4jesus, if their mother is Jewish they are still Jews. A Jew can even be an atheist or a pagan but he'll never lose his Jewishness. If he lives Judaism or not .....it's another question.
Xtainity is,idol worship and the precise application of noahide law will be determined by a reformed sanhedrin.As it stands blood drinking is allowed also,doesnt make it right!
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If i had a name like Barak Hussein Obama wheather i was a Jew or Chritian i would change it
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If i had a name like Barak Hussein Obama wheather i was a Jew or Chritian i would change it
Yes this is right. I would not feel good, as a christian, with a murdermuslime-name. ::)
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I wonder why he does'nt change it :o
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I think this is a common notion in Christianity, although it might not be explicitly said very often. They think that they are "perfected Jews" because they worship Jesus if I'm not mistaken.
I have never heard the term "perfected Jew" in my life until Coulter said it..
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I think this is a common notion in Christianity, although it might not be explicitly said very often. They think that they are "perfected Jews" because they worship Jesus if I'm not mistaken.
I have never heard the term "perfected Jew" in my life until Coulter said it..
They usually say 'completed Jew'.
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I agree but only IF. And i will tell this again that she did a more for Israel than anybody on this forum so far; And if you think that Donny Deutch atacked her becouse he defended his judaism; you're deluded; we all know what liberal jews write about Rabbi Kahane for ex.
What did Coulter do for Israel?
I think Donny Deutch is a millionaire. Has he ever donated to a cause that helped Israel?
I've heard people who didn't like Kahane make up or repeat lies about him and bash him.
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Coulter is alot more pro Israel then donny
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Jews 4 Jesus,,will it ever stop?...no such thing as a Jewish xtain.As soon as you put a intermediatary in there,well it becomes contrary to Jewish beliefs.
When did Ann say anything about Jews for Jesus? She's stating a Christian belief, held by all Christians who follow their religion correctly.
Looks like Media Matters has suceeded in fooling people into believing this slander to be just. This is what Media Matters wants.
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I read the transcript of the interview with Donny Deutsche and saw her interview with Bill O'Reilly and I'll say that I'm not impressed at all. Her attitude was brash, insensitive, unapologetic. She basically doesn't care at all what Jews think about her comments. She can state them, that's fine, but to do so with such a hostile, frank and unapologetic attitude is just shameful. She never ONCE apologized to Jews and said, look, I'm sorry that this offends you, but these are my beliefs and the intention is not to offend you, I am just towing the line of Catholicism (or whatever branch of Christianity she follows) She didn't even apologize, I would expect a decent human being to at least do that. She had the chance to apologize for offending anyone for the second time on Bill O'Reilly, and maintained her harsh, unapologetic attitude.
To be honest, it came off as anti-Semitism. One comment really stuck out for me: when she was with O'Reilly, she said something like "I never knew that Donny Deutsch would turn out to be an Al Sharpton of the Jews!" She said it in such a harsh and condescending tone. It just made her seem like she did not care whatsoever about the feelings of Jewish people, and she doesn't think that Deutsh or other Jews have a right to be offended, or that the fact that they are offended should be acknowledged. She just seemed like she didn't care AT ALL about the feelings of people that resulted from what she said.
She wants all Jews to be Christian, and wants the entire United States to be Christian? Sorry, I cannot support that. There are people of good faith in the U.S., like buddhists, hindus, Jews, Sikhs, and others.
Ann Coulter clearly does not care at all about Jewish people, if she had one ounce of respect, care, or empathy for Jews, she would have at least tempered her tone, or made a disclaimer to Jews that she doesn't mean to offend people but if she does, she apologizes. That's what a good person would have done in the situation. After seeing her statements and her interview, to me, Coulter is a vile, ugly, and heartless person.
I would never have bought one of her crappy books to begin with, but I certainly won't be buying one or supporting her in any way now.
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Looks like Media Matters has fooled everybody.
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I have never heard the term "perfected Jew" in my life until Coulter said it..
They usually say 'completed Jew'.
I've never heard that term either...
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Everybody is playing right into Media Matter's hands. This is exactly what they wanted. We need to support Ann at a time like this!
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I read the transcript of the interview with Donny Deutsche and saw her interview with Bill O'Reilly and I'll say that I'm not impressed at all. Her attitude was brash, insensitive, unapologetic. She basically doesn't care at all what Jews think about her comments. She can state them, that's fine, but to do so with such a hostile, frank and unapologetic attitude is just shameful. She never ONCE apologized to Jews and said, look, I'm sorry that this offends you, but these are my beliefs and the intention is not to offend you, I am just towing the line of Catholicism (or whatever branch of Christianity she follows) She didn't even apologize, I would expect a decent human being to at least do that. She had the chance to apologize for offending anyone for the second time on Bill O'Reilly, and maintained her harsh, unapologetic attitude.
To be honest, it came off as anti-Semitism. One comment really stuck out for me: when she was with O'Reilly, she said something like "I never knew that Donny Deutsch would turn out to be an Al Sharpton of the Jews!" She said it in such a harsh and condescending tone. It just made her seem like she did not care whatsoever about the feelings of Jewish people, and she doesn't think that Deutsh or other Jews have a right to be offended, or that the fact that they are offended should be acknowledged. She just seemed like she didn't care AT ALL about the feelings of people that resulted from what she said.
She wants all Jews to be Christian, and wants the entire United States to be Christian? Sorry, I cannot support that. There are people of good faith in the U.S., like buddhists, hindus, Jews, Sikhs, and others.
Ann Coulter clearly does not care at all about Jewish people, if she had one ounce of respect, care, or empathy for Jews, she would have at least tempered her tone, or made a disclaimer to Jews that she doesn't mean to offend people but if she does, she apologizes. That's what a good person would have done in the situation. After seeing her statements and her interview, to me, Coulter is a vile, ugly, and heartless person.
I would never have bought one of her crappy books to begin with, but I certainly won't be buying one or supporting her in any way now.
Sorry, but if she believes what she said and stands by it, she should not apologize. This is what every so-called conservative does today. It's SOP for someone to say something that "offends" a group of people and when that group becomes vocal for the person to come out with the standard "I apologize if my comments offended anyone...". Should Chaim tone down his rhetoric when he speaks so passionately about things he believes in? Should he apologize for offending certain groups of people?
The truth is that I neither love nor hate Ann Coulter. As a Christian, I do not agree with her view but, then again, I was not taught that it is my duty in life to go around converting anyone, regardless of whether they want it or not.
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I read the transcript of the interview with Donny Deutsche and saw her interview with Bill O'Reilly and I'll say that I'm not impressed at all. Her attitude was brash, insensitive, unapologetic. She basically doesn't care at all what Jews think about her comments. She can state them, that's fine, but to do so with such a hostile, frank and unapologetic attitude is just shameful. She never ONCE apologized to Jews and said, look, I'm sorry that this offends you, but these are my beliefs and the intention is not to offend you, I am just towing the line of Catholicism (or whatever branch of Christianity she follows) She didn't even apologize, I would expect a decent human being to at least do that. She had the chance to apologize for offending anyone for the second time on Bill O'Reilly, and maintained her harsh, unapologetic attitude.
To be honest, it came off as anti-Semitism. One comment really stuck out for me: when she was with O'Reilly, she said something like "I never knew that Donny Deutsch would turn out to be an Al Sharpton of the Jews!" She said it in such a harsh and condescending tone. It just made her seem like she did not care whatsoever about the feelings of Jewish people, and she doesn't think that Deutsh or other Jews have a right to be offended, or that the fact that they are offended should be acknowledged. She just seemed like she didn't care AT ALL about the feelings of people that resulted from what she said.
She wants all Jews to be Christian, and wants the entire United States to be Christian? Sorry, I cannot support that. There are people of good faith in the U.S., like buddhists, hindus, Jews, Sikhs, and others.
Ann Coulter clearly does not care at all about Jewish people, if she had one ounce of respect, care, or empathy for Jews, she would have at least tempered her tone, or made a disclaimer to Jews that she doesn't mean to offend people but if she does, she apologizes. That's what a good person would have done in the situation. After seeing her statements and her interview, to me, Coulter is a vile, ugly, and heartless person.
I would never have bought one of her crappy books to begin with, but I certainly won't be buying one or supporting her in any way now.
Sorry, but if she believes what she said and stands by it, she should not apologize. This is what every so-called conservative does today. It's SOP for someone to say something that "offends" a group of people and when that group becomes vocal for the person to come out with the standard "I apologize if my comments offended anyone...". Should Chaim tone down his rhetoric when he speaks so passionately about things he believes in? Should he apologize for offending certain groups of people?
The truth is that I neither love nor hate Ann Coulter. As a Christian, I do not agree with her view but, then again, I was not taught that it is my duty in life to go around converting anyone, regardless of whether they want it or not.
Ann Coulter said nothing about converting anyone. It is a Christian belief that Jews should observe the Christian Bible. Christians are not asking for Jews to convert, they just want them to add to their religion. As a Jew, I refuse to observe it, but Coulter has every right to believe what she does. Every good Christian should believe it.
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I caan't belive we dicuse it for 11 pages; it's theological dilema which can be solved only by coming of Messaih; If Jesus was one all Jews will become Meshianic by G-d grace; if he was not all christians will become noahides or will convert to judaism. Arguing over Ann Culter belives is insane in our situation. :D Does Annapolis conferention rings a bell ??? We have to get Chaim to Israel before insane israeli left will give up Yesha to Palestinians.
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I read the transcript of the interview with Donny Deutsche and saw her interview with Bill O'Reilly and I'll say that I'm not impressed at all. Her attitude was brash, insensitive, unapologetic. She basically doesn't care at all what Jews think about her comments. She can state them, that's fine, but to do so with such a hostile, frank and unapologetic attitude is just shameful. She never ONCE apologized to Jews and said, look, I'm sorry that this offends you, but these are my beliefs and the intention is not to offend you, I am just towing the line of Catholicism (or whatever branch of Christianity she follows) She didn't even apologize, I would expect a decent human being to at least do that. She had the chance to apologize for offending anyone for the second time on Bill O'Reilly, and maintained her harsh, unapologetic attitude.
To be honest, it came off as anti-Semitism. One comment really stuck out for me: when she was with O'Reilly, she said something like "I never knew that Donny Deutsch would turn out to be an Al Sharpton of the Jews!" She said it in such a harsh and condescending tone. It just made her seem like she did not care whatsoever about the feelings of Jewish people, and she doesn't think that Deutsh or other Jews have a right to be offended, or that the fact that they are offended should be acknowledged. She just seemed like she didn't care AT ALL about the feelings of people that resulted from what she said.
She wants all Jews to be Christian, and wants the entire United States to be Christian? Sorry, I cannot support that. There are people of good faith in the U.S., like buddhists, hindus, Jews, Sikhs, and others.
Ann Coulter clearly does not care at all about Jewish people, if she had one ounce of respect, care, or empathy for Jews, she would have at least tempered her tone, or made a disclaimer to Jews that she doesn't mean to offend people but if she does, she apologizes. That's what a good person would have done in the situation. After seeing her statements and her interview, to me, Coulter is a vile, ugly, and heartless person.
I would never have bought one of her crappy books to begin with, but I certainly won't be buying one or supporting her in any way now.
Sorry, but if she believes what she said and stands by it, she should not apologize. This is what every so-called conservative does today. It's SOP for someone to say something that "offends" a group of people and when that group becomes vocal for the person to come out with the standard "I apologize if my comments offended anyone...". Should Chaim tone down his rhetoric when he speaks so passionately about things he believes in? Should he apologize for offending certain groups of people?
The truth is that I neither love nor hate Ann Coulter. As a Christian, I do not agree with her view but, then again, I was not taught that it is my duty in life to go around converting anyone, regardless of whether they want it or not.
Ann Coulter said nothing about converting anyone. It is a Christian belief that Jews should observe the Christian Bible. Christians are not asking for Jews to convert, they just want them to add to their religion. As a Jew, I refuse to observe it, but Coulter has every right to believe what she does. Every good Christian should believe it.
It is a Christian belief that everyone should observe the Christian Bible. What I was referring to was that it is not my belief that I should go about telling people of other faiths that they need to "convert" to my religion by observing the Christian Bible in order to be "perfected" if they are Jewish, "saved" if they are anything else or wind up in hell.
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I read the transcript of the interview with Donny Deutsche and saw her interview with Bill O'Reilly and I'll say that I'm not impressed at all. Her attitude was brash, insensitive, unapologetic. She basically doesn't care at all what Jews think about her comments. She can state them, that's fine, but to do so with such a hostile, frank and unapologetic attitude is just shameful. She never ONCE apologized to Jews and said, look, I'm sorry that this offends you, but these are my beliefs and the intention is not to offend you, I am just towing the line of Catholicism (or whatever branch of Christianity she follows) She didn't even apologize, I would expect a decent human being to at least do that. She had the chance to apologize for offending anyone for the second time on Bill O'Reilly, and maintained her harsh, unapologetic attitude.
To be honest, it came off as anti-Semitism. One comment really stuck out for me: when she was with O'Reilly, she said something like "I never knew that Donny Deutsch would turn out to be an Al Sharpton of the Jews!" She said it in such a harsh and condescending tone. It just made her seem like she did not care whatsoever about the feelings of Jewish people, and she doesn't think that Deutsh or other Jews have a right to be offended, or that the fact that they are offended should be acknowledged. She just seemed like she didn't care AT ALL about the feelings of people that resulted from what she said.
She wants all Jews to be Christian, and wants the entire United States to be Christian? Sorry, I cannot support that. There are people of good faith in the U.S., like buddhists, hindus, Jews, Sikhs, and others.
Ann Coulter clearly does not care at all about Jewish people, if she had one ounce of respect, care, or empathy for Jews, she would have at least tempered her tone, or made a disclaimer to Jews that she doesn't mean to offend people but if she does, she apologizes. That's what a good person would have done in the situation. After seeing her statements and her interview, to me, Coulter is a vile, ugly, and heartless person.
I would never have bought one of her crappy books to begin with, but I certainly won't be buying one or supporting her in any way now.
Sorry, but if she believes what she said and stands by it, she should not apologize. This is what every so-called conservative does today. It's SOP for someone to say something that "offends" a group of people and when that group becomes vocal for the person to come out with the standard "I apologize if my comments offended anyone...". Should Chaim tone down his rhetoric when he speaks so passionately about things he believes in? Should he apologize for offending certain groups of people?
The truth is that I neither love nor hate Ann Coulter. As a Christian, I do not agree with her view but, then again, I was not taught that it is my duty in life to go around converting anyone, regardless of whether they want it or not.
Ann Coulter said nothing about converting anyone. It is a Christian belief that Jews should observe the Christian Bible. Christians are not asking for Jews to convert, they just want them to add to their religion. As a Jew, I refuse to observe it, but Coulter has every right to believe what she does. Every good Christian should believe it.
It is a Christian belief that everyone should observe the Christian Bible. What I was referring to was that it is not my belief that I should go about telling people of other faiths that they need to "convert" to my religion by observing the Christian Bible in order to be "perfected" if they are Jewish, "saved" if they are anything else or wind up in hell.
She's not saying that Jews must become Christians. She's saying that she wants Jews to take on a Christian belief, not the Christian faith as a whole.
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I caan't belive we dicuse it for 11 pages; it's theological dilema which can be solved only by coming of Messaih; If Jesus was one all Jews will become Meshianic by G-d grace; if he was not all christians will become noahides or will convert to judaism. Arguing over Ann Culter belives is insane in our situation. :D Does Annapolis conferention rings a bell ??? We have to get Chaim to Israel before insane israeli left will give up Yesha to PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis.
You're right, but good Jews should not hate Christians for having this belief torward Jews. Christians could say the same thing about us, since we feel that they shouldn't worship Christ or the Ten Commandments.
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Ann is the perfect Jew ....LOL
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Whether you like her Christian beliefs or not, Ann Coulter is a true conservative, and that is exactly what this movement and the US need.
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She's not saying that Jews must become Christians. She's saying that she wants Jews to take on a Christian belief, not the Christian faith as a whole.
If Jews take on christian beliefs (ie: anti-Torah beliefs) it would destroy Torah Judaism and (ultimately) Jewish identity.
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Jews should be Jewish and Christians can be whatever they wish since the Bible/Torah is not applicable to them and therefore the Gentile is free to choose the Noahide Laws, Jesus, Mohammed, Shabbati Tzvi, Marx or Martin Luther King Jr.... ;)
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If she was a "liberal lady" or a black leader the "liberal" journalists (even the Jewish) would let her say anything. She was just quoting the new testimony and all the Christians believe in Jesus.
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She's not saying that Jews must become Christians. She's saying that she wants Jews to take on a Christian belief, not the Christian faith as a whole.
If Jews take on christian beliefs (ie: anti-Torah beliefs) it would destroy Torah Judaism and (ultimately) Jewish identity.
I'm not saying I'd agree with it. Being a good Jew means being Torah-true.
What we wish of Christians would be going against the commands of the Christian Bible.
It's just a difference in ideals. Jews shouldn't be offended by it. If you are, you're being silly and disrespectful.
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If she was a "liberal lady" or a black leader the "liberal" journalists (even the Jewish) would let her say anything. She was just quoting the new testimony and all the Christians believe in Jesus.
Of course, liberal/communists are allowed to say anything they want without fear of much condemnation. Look at Pete Stark and George Soros. They've caught some falk, but they really deserve to be driven out of the country.
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If she was a "liberal lady" or a black leader the "liberal" journalists (even the Jewish) would let her say anything. She was just quoting the new testimony and all the Christians believe in Jesus.
Of course, liberal/communists are allowed to say anything they want without fear of much condemnation. Look at Pete Stark and George Soros. They've caught some falk, but they really deserve to be driven out of the country.
Alexander Yanai said that we should take care only of the hippocrates!
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She's not saying that Jews must become Christians. She's saying that she wants Jews to take on a Christian belief, not the Christian faith as a whole.
Sorry but I do not understand this comment at all. If a Jew takes on a "more Christian belief" that is akin to accepting the Christian faith and becomming a Christian...imo.
Everything Ann Coulter said is perfectly logical with Christianity if one studies its history. The Jesuits, Joho's Witness are a few specific examples of sub groups of Christianity that specifically targetted Jews for conversion. Further, what Ms. Coulter did say about "Perfecting" is, in my opinion, bigotry, akin to the pogrom advocates of Eastern Europe and the same ignorance and closed mindedness used since 322AD specifically, or 50 years later by John Chrysostom.....
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I never liked her.
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She is smart.Remember in Pirates of the Caribbean when the officer says "Your the worst pirate Ive ever heard of" and Jack Sparrow says yes ,but you have heard of me?The same with her she is just getting her bit of fame by saying stupid things.Savvy.LOL,
wayne jude! ;)
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I agree, this thread is pretty long.
In my humble opinion....
Anyone who claims "perfection" is using the word with arrogance, emptiness and absolutely incorrectly. And I would be weary of anyone offering people to be "perfected"!
The reason is that, it is my belief that reaching perfection is a life long challenge/goal that can be achieved by living according to the will of G-d and following His Torah, which is life.....
But her usage is nothing to get as upset about as the host did(excuse the grammar).
The reason why the majourity of those offended were leftists/liberals was because
a)they are socialists - but if they admitted that it`d be political suicide, so they call themselves liberals. They believe religion should be eliminated. The jewish ones are a bit weak and want to hang onto a culture. They are more offended by Orthodox Judaism than anything. Orthodox jews know that, so most defend Ann.
b)they see in the word "perfected" an allusion to the holocaust when jews were viewed as tainted , vermin, e.t.c. and nazis viewed themselves as the master race , most perfect. Left wing jews cannot define themselves by judaism, so they define themselves by the holocaust, even "who is a jew" they define as Hitler defined. They don`t just take the lesson out of the holocaust, like Kahane did "never again", and to do something. But they take it as their identity. So they are most offended by that word.
There was a story I heard recently, a guy at a non Orthodox synagogue (Conservative actually, but in synagogue terms, that means not orthodox, so liberal). He asked his "rabbi" why they were so permissive on the Gay marriage issue, since the Torah is against it. The "Rabbi" responded
"if you want to follow the torah of bigotry, then maybe this synagogue is not for you"
If you think about it.. The Secular elite ruling israel, are like the reform movement with guns - an army, and a police force.
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there are different christians. Here in britain we never hear of them. But in America they seem to be bible based , call themselves protestant . Ann is in that group. They are a different category to the old european style ones.
In Britain it was only 20 years ago that I know kids would ask jewish kids if they have horns. I don`t know how common the accussation of killing jesus is. I would put them in a similar category to the catholic that said the holocaust was punishment and jews needed to be perfected.
But Ann Coulter is just coming from a different place. She is pro israel, of the evangelical bible based kind, very kind. No hate towards jews. I really like her, and alot of christians in america are like that. They call into tovia singer`s show all the time (I don`t listen to tovia singer much, but anyhow), all his listeners are christian! He used to be on some christian radio station called WMCA or something. I saw a pic of rabbi binyamin kahane on one of those stations, perhaps WMCA.
I wouldn`t lump her with those european style catholic christians. I see them as distinct, and the latter as dying.
I am well aware of centuries of christian anti-semitism. Personally, I am far more haunted by dreams of being a jew living centuries ago, during crusades, thrown into a fire with a christian satanically yelling from a bible that I am SATAN. But thank G-d, those days are gone. Arab/Muslims don`t scare me, they are just wild and angry, I can sort of understand that. And medieval christians, are gone, and even their european catholic echoes, are dying out.
Fortunately I was never in a gentile school. But I think even nowadays in britain, jews would face anti-semitism like "you killed jesus" e.t.c. but I don`t think this is so common in america.
If Ann Coulter is the example of OFFENCE to jews then it shows how amazing relations are between jews and christians in america. I`d let it pass. You said yourself, people are not perfect. Let her be, she is great the way she is.
And I`m sure her whole demeanor and attutide was different to the catholic guy you referred to. It`s a different religion, and the line is thick.
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The language she used was a little tough. Jews shouldn't go around telling Christians they're imperfect for not following the Seven Noahide Laws, because we should have respect for the Christians, our allies. Just as Christians shouldn't go around telling Jews they're imperfect, because they don't observe the Christian Bible.
All that aside, Ann Coulter stated a Christian belief that Jews haven't chosen the correct ideas for their faith. We feel the same way about Christians.
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coming from her, i`d let it pass. Because of her nice attitude, her pro israel stance, and her stance against arab/muslims, and she was clearly being candid, as if she was in her own home.. and she was talking very theoretically, a dream world.
I wouldn`t want to encourage people to say what she said though.. Those kind of statements could pander to those who would actively try to convert jews.
We had a politician, michael howard, who even though he did not win - i`m glad he did not win - (he is like all [leftist] jewish politicians). When talking on illegal immigration, he used to avoid using certain words, even though it said the same thing, because he didn`t want to pander to racists - he was often accused of pandering to them. But he dealt and talked on the issue, because if he doesn`t, then they e.g. BNP(british nationalist party, nazis in suits), will, and the BNP would win votes.