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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #125 on: November 14, 2008, 12:40:58 AM »
Here is an example of the old ways:

http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3

This is EXACTLY what I'm begging for.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #126 on: November 14, 2008, 12:49:01 AM »
Here is an example of the old ways:
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
This is EXACTLY what I'm begging for.

Its ironic that this old program is a breath of fresh air!

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #127 on: November 14, 2008, 12:51:04 AM »
Man, this program is AWESOME!:

http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #128 on: November 14, 2008, 12:56:43 AM »
At least we're respectable now.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #129 on: November 14, 2008, 02:07:27 AM »
We have a dilemma. We need to appeal to a broader base, in order to build a mass movement. On the other hand, what do movements do when they try to broaden their appeal? They compromise. The original format appealed to people who are most forward-thinking, unconventional, irreverent, iconoclastic, most immune to being brain-washed. This is the most radical element. Every revolutionary movement needs one. These would make up the backbone of the movement, its most dedicated core - but they need to be fired up from time to time by Chaim's speeches. Yet there is a lot of the untapped potential out there - people of this kind who have not yet discovered JTF. Also, the minds of some of the more conventional audience are capable of being gradually radicalized.

I was thinking - perhaps a "pre-Chaim" would do. You get a milder version of Chaim, who could be Chaim himself or another person, and later, when you get acclimated, you get admittance to the "holiest of holies," where you get access to real Chaim. But how to actually implement it, I have no idea.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #130 on: November 14, 2008, 04:58:01 AM »
"We need to bury respectability before respectability buries us."

Have you ever heard rabbi kahane speak?

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #131 on: November 14, 2008, 05:03:20 AM »
Man, this program is AWESOME!:

http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3

That is exactly the same program that DanBenNoah posted earlier on in the thread.  Do you want people that already have it and listened to it, to download it again ?   

Credit goes to DanBenNoah for finding that program. 

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #132 on: November 14, 2008, 05:43:54 AM »
Scriabin you are an articulate and intelligent man, can't you make some audios exactly the way you like it ?

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #133 on: November 14, 2008, 06:27:41 AM »
Scriabin you are an articulate and intelligent man, can't you make some audios exactly the way you like it ?

It's not about intelligence and articulateness, believe me. You need to have talent to do it in the way that could fire people up and lead them. It's a Gift. Rabbi Kahane could do it (I saw his videos  :whew: :love: :teach: ). Chaim can do it. I can't do it. I don't have the talent. My talents lie elsewhere. I don't know about Scriabin though.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #134 on: November 14, 2008, 11:48:21 AM »
Man, this program is AWESOME!:

http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
That is exactly the same program that DanBenNoah posted earlier on in the thread.  Do you want people that already have it and listened to it, to download it again ?   

No.  I want people that DIDN'T listen to do so. 


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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #135 on: November 14, 2008, 11:49:01 AM »
"We need to bury respectability before respectability buries us."
Have you ever heard rabbi kahane speak?

Never live.  Only on the internet.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #136 on: November 14, 2008, 11:50:28 AM »
Credit goes to DanBenNoah for finding that program. 

Absolutely.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #137 on: November 16, 2008, 02:29:18 AM »
And we should endorse Huckabee, too!

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #138 on: November 16, 2008, 02:38:19 AM »
Brand new poll!

Re-post your votes!

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #139 on: November 16, 2008, 05:23:22 AM »
The 9-26-01 program is one of the best ever.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #140 on: November 16, 2008, 05:57:20 AM »
as is the program that was done after the Beslan terrrorist attack. 

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #141 on: November 16, 2008, 06:03:57 AM »
Scriabin, I am starting to really agree with you on this. I hope Chaim goes back to his old ways.
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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #142 on: November 16, 2008, 08:49:41 AM »
The 9-26-01 program is one of the best ever.
Is there any way you can get a link to that program?
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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #143 on: November 16, 2008, 09:04:57 AM »
Scriabin you are an articulate and intelligent man, can't you make some audios exactly the way you like it ?

That's a great idea. I'd love to hear an audio by Scriabin, especially if it was uploaded to youtube. He and I don't always agree on everything of course but I'd still like to hear what he has to say.

You can do it with windows movie maker and just narrate. If I had time I'd be making more videos right now but I'm really pressed right now at the end of the semester.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #144 on: November 16, 2008, 09:34:57 AM »
The 9-26-01 program is one of the best ever.
Is there any way you can get a link to that program?

oh come on

you saw this link surely
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3

now change the date to what you want

http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/09262001a.mp3

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #145 on: November 16, 2008, 11:29:07 AM »
I really think Chaim WANTS to go back to his old ways, but he has had to bite his tongue the last year or so....  for a couple reasons.

So things may very well go back to the old ways.... maybe as soon as Obama gets in power.


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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #146 on: November 16, 2008, 04:17:34 PM »
I voted "no".

The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel. We have a much better chance of saving both with the way the shows are done now and that's all I really care about.

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #147 on: November 16, 2008, 04:45:50 PM »
We have a much better chance of saving both with the way the shows are done now and that's all I really care about.

Do you like the fact that Chaim doesn't speak about America anymore or do you like the fact that he doesn't talk about schwartses anymore?

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #148 on: November 16, 2008, 04:48:06 PM »
The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel.

Do you think that JTF needs to become more 'respectable'?

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Re: Should JTF go back to the old ways?
« Reply #149 on: November 16, 2008, 04:57:25 PM »
The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel.

Do you think that JTF needs to become more 'respectable'?

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