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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on August 08, 2007, 11:07:23 PM
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Anyone interested? maybe at the end of august- early September people here who go to Queens College or live in the area can all meet up?
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I go to Queens college and would love to have a meeting. Why does it have to be limited to Queens college though? If we are going to set this up, it should be a organized event with Chaim in attendance.
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Let me know when, I'm there.
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Wherever it is, please make sure it's convenient to the subways and the Long Island Railroad.
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Tzvi, I am gonna get confrontational here. I think some forum members might be reluctant to meet with you when you have told them things like they are going to hell for criticizing the Shas party.
You have never apologized for these completely inappropriate remarks, and I think it is perfectly right to call you on it.
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Lisa, do you think you could try and talk the JTF leadership into arranging a NYC meeting with Chaim in attendance?
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I am not against the idea of a meeting at all (save that I live 3,000 miles from most JTF members), but without some serious reflection and repentance I do not think Tzvi ben Roshel is the best person to organize it.
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That is true Chaimfan, I forgot it was tzvi. Thank you for pointing it out. That incident certainly lowered my opinion of him.
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He said I was going to hell for criticising shas but he didn't say the same about a pimping rabbi who threw Chaim out of Israel the same day he met Arafat.
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I don't hate him but I can't say he should be in any formal or informal leadership position as-is. He has not apologized in any way for saying that anyone who criticizes Shas or Hasidim are going to hell.
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Anyways Chaimfan, Chaim ben pesach took my side in that conflict so their is not much more to say.
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I am not against the idea of a meeting at all.
You're full of crap!
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Wish I was in NYC.
Me too!
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Anyways Chaimfan, Chaim ben pesach took my side in that conflict so their is not much more to say.
Assuming you took the opposite position of Chaimfan's, are you saying you support the Shas party?
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I was thinking the same thing rationalthought. If he is against Chaimfans opinions, that means he supports the traitor shas beasts who threw Chaim out of Israel.
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I was thinking the same thing rationalthought. If he is against Chaimfans opinions, that means he supports the traitor shas beasts who threw Chaim out of Israel.
My mistake. When I first read your previous post, I thought you meant Chaim took your side over Chaimfan's. Now I realize you meant that he took your side over Tzvi's.
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Right.
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I am not against the idea of a meeting at all.
You're full of crap!
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I am not against the idea of a meeting at all.
You're full of crap!
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I believe that he is insincere.
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Scriabin, how can you accuse someone of that when you have no basis. Do you think he is insincere simply because he is more right wing than you? He is more supportive of right wing jewish causes than most of the right wing jews on here which is certainly saying something good about the guy. Why are you spewing hatred against a nice person especially since you are a "Moderator" and should know better. Didn't you hear Chaim Ben Pesach say how much he likes Chaimfan? Aren't you supposed to be following his instruction if you were put into a position of authority? I think you are insincere for spewing hatred.
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I am not against the idea of a meeting at all.
You're full of crap!
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I believe that he is insincere.
I agree with DownwithIslam, you don't really have a basis to claim that, you're just looking for an excuse to bash him.
I don't hold anything against you Scriabin, but when you bash a member for no reason in an unsubstantiated way it should be spoken out against. If you guys really want to get it on, do it in Private Chat. :laugh:
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I don't think hate spewing like that moderator engaged in should be carried out anywhere, even in a private chat. He made a personal attack against someone for no reason and it was an unprovoked attack. Scriabin should be banned!!
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I don't think hate spewing like that moderator engaged in should be carried out anywhere, even in a private chat. He made a personal attack against someone for no reason and it was an unprovoked attack. Scriabin should be banned!!
It aint the first time.
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I know that. We need him banned quickly without waisting any more of our precious time.
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I don't think hate spewing like that moderator engaged in should be carried out anywhere, even in a private chat. He made a personal attack against someone for no reason and it was an unprovoked attack. Scriabin should be banned!!
No! Scriabin should apologized privetly and that's it!!
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I don't think hate spewing like that moderator engaged in should be carried out anywhere, even in a private chat. He made a personal attack against someone for no reason and it was an unprovoked attack. Scriabin should be banned!!
No! Scriabin should apologized privetly and that's it!!
Agreed, it's a bit too extreme to ask for him to be banned, he's a great member of the forum. Hehe looks like now YOU'RE going on the attack DownwithIslam.
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I am not on the attack. I am defending Chaimfan. If you are kiind to the cruel then you will be cruel to the kind. I think you know where I got that from. The point is, if I do not defend the kind then I will be nice to the cruel. If someone tries to incite a conflict, he must be dealt with. I am attacking nobody.
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Anyone interested? maybe at the end of august- early September people here who go to Queens College or live in the area can all meet up?
Yeah, Absolutely!
I work there on Wednesdays... Just give me the time and place !
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Anyone interested? maybe at the end of august- early September people here who go to Queens College or live in the area can all meet up?
Yeah, Absolutely!
I work there on Wednesdays... Just give me the time and place !
Are you a professor? :)
I wish i lived in NY as well.
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I know that. We need him banned quickly without waisting any more of our precious time.
I think somethings wrong with me, but i find all of Scriabins posts extremely funny because they are short and snappy.
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I know that. We need him banned quickly without waisting any more of our precious time.
I think somethings wrong with me, but i find all of Scriabins posts extremely funny because they are short and snappy.
He's a moody, temperamental bugger but he is funny sometimes.
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Anyone interested? maybe at the end of august- early September people here who go to Queens College or live in the area can all meet up?
Yeah, Absolutely!
I work there on Wednesdays... Just give me the time and place !
Are you a professor? :)
I wish i lived in NY as well.
I'm a MD by profession, I also an adviser to prepare International/Domestic Doc's for their Certification and Board examinations prep.
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Dan are you serious? Which med school did you attend? You don't have to give out any more info than that.
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Yes. Actually I have spoken to JDL Forever about it... he is doing Hospital rotation right now I believe.
I'm in Queens-Brooklyn hospitals doing rotations as well + working to pay my bills as a consultant/adviser.
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Anyone interested? maybe at the end of august- early September people here who go to Queens College or live in the area can all meet up?
Yeah, Absolutely!
I work there on Wednesdays... Just give me the time and place !
Are you a professor? :)
I wish i lived in NY as well.
I'm a MD by profession, I also an adviser to prepare International/Domestic Doc's for their Certification and Board examinations prep.
Wow, i didn't understand any of that but it sure sounds, professional. :)
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Tzvi, I am gonna get confrontational here. I think some forum members might be reluctant to meet with you when you have told them things like they are going to hell for criticizing the Shas party.
You have never apologized for these completely inappropriate remarks, and I think it is perfectly right to call you on it.
You are right. I did tell downwithislam that he will go to hell (or something to that tone) for the way he posts things sometimes on ask JTF. the tone and manner of him criticizing religious Jews is a hillul Hashe-m. and Chaim did not agree with him when he referred negetivly to religious Jews living in places like Lakewood. I do not take back what I have posted becuase what I have said is the truth.
- and no I do not agree with the people who banned Chaim , maybe I didnt criticize or comment on that because I dont read every single post and Im not allways around on the forums.
- I never said I would organize it, I actually didnt think one person is needed to organize the event. If someone is offended by what I said, I honestly can tell you that I dont care, if he or she doesnt want to talk to me, then dont. my criticism was actually meant to be positive so the person would change and not spew nonsense which does make a Hillul Hashe-m.
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Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
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On July 8th Ask JTF DownwithIslam wrote:
"Hi Chaim, can a jew who davens three times a day, keeps shabbos and does all the other mainstream mitzvos ever avoid burning in hell if he lives in America and acts in the selfish, unsacrificing manner the chasidim in Boro Park and the Litvaks in Lakewood do.These people just want to live here in comfort and they are not willing to give up one thing to help Jews. Most of them are literally praying for Israels destruction and I was wondering what you think their reward will be? Thank you so much Chaim."
My comment to him on Private Message
yes, but you wont. What is it your duty to defame whole communities of Jews of whom you have no clue about, do you know how hard it is to make tishuva when insulting a whole community? You should concider your ways and think a lot more before you write something like this expecially in a public forum and show where many Jews and Gentiles will hear and be influenced by your stupidity.
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Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
How about your loyalty to JTF?
Scirabin shouldn't be banned.
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Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
You've threatened to leave 10 times in as many weeks. It's wearing thin.
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Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
You've threatened to leave 10 times in as many weeks. It's wearing thin.
Yeah, well, I don't really care what you think.Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
How about your loyalty to JTF?
Scirabin shouldn't be banned.
Loyalty to JTF? I agree with what JTF stands for, but to be honest I don't really see how talking about it on this forum is helping the cause at all.
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Yeah, ok. Lets change the subject......so what time at Queens college?
:)
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Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
You've threatened to leave 10 times in as many weeks. It's wearing thin.
Yeah, well, I don't really care what you think.Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
How about your loyalty to JTF?
Scirabin shouldn't be banned.
Loyalty to JTF? I agree with what JTF stands for, but to be honest I don't really see how talking about it on this forum is helping the cause at all.
Actually it doesnt help the cause at all..... Action helps it.
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DownwithIslam's latest on Ask JTF.
"Hi Chaim, I don't know why living in Tel Aviv is so bad and I think that is where I will live when I move to Israel. That is where I fit in most and would be most comfortable. I know their are tons of leftists there but what can I do. I don't want to live next door to some yeshiva guy who thinks that anyone who doesn't practice his brand of judaism isn't jewish. I have been to Tel Aviv many times and while some of it is disgusting, everyone is jewish so their is no risk of intermarriage or anything. I was wondering what your thoughts on this issue are and I can't wait for you to take power and the muslims start disappearing."
DownwithIslam I hope you change your attitudes towards religious Jews, religious Jews arent like that. Honestly my advice to you is for you to spiritually and mentally (not saying it offensivly) to rehabilitate yourself. Understand Judaism, what it is, be more open minded about Religious Jews and dropp the hate you have for Religious Jews and then move to Israel. If not then you will be no different then all the scumm we are trying to fight in Israel except that you hate arabs. (which they also do, but dont like admitting publically).
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Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
You've threatened to leave 10 times in as many weeks. It's wearing thin.
Yeah, well, I don't really care what you think.Just for reference, if Scriabin is banned I will leave.
How about your loyalty to JTF?
Scirabin shouldn't be banned.
Loyalty to JTF? I agree with what JTF stands for, but to be honest I don't really see how talking about it on this forum is helping the cause at all.
Actually it doesnt help the cause at all..... Action helps it.
Well, it is action! ACTION through words! Action through understanding and learning! Action through building unity, logic and arguements to fend off the enemy. Supporting the You Tube visit and Chaim.
From what I see its a lot better then going out and taking action -by which some people would interpret as violence and go too far-without firstly understanding.
Action will soon come, when JTF gets EVEN more popular.
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Tzvi stop acting like an informing serpent. You are exactly what I was referring to in those questions to Chaim. You always manage to stick up for and defend those shas beasts yet I never heard you defend Chaim ben pesach when your cohort called him a degenerate awhile back. I should add that in the question which I asked Chaim about those chasidim, I was asking Chaim not making a statement. You went ahead and said outright that I would burn in hell. I simply asked whether or not Chaim believes those chasidim would burn. Again, be as quick to defend good as you are to attack shas questioners.
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Tzvi, I am not threatening the lives of jews. The pimp in rabbinic garb is. He wants to give away Israel which is a lot worse than my sins. Plus, can you argue that chasidim and lakewood guys are evil? Also would you consider an answer like "G-d help you if you need a favor from the white shirt guys" an example of chaim taking your side over mine? Stop dreaming.
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I agree with downwithislam, there is a lot wrong with the white shirters and many of the Chassidim today. Many think that they are saving the world by sitting in Yeshiva all day and are usually either stealing money from the government via welfare, wic, medicade, or making their parents wear their tuchas out trying to support them. They suck up all the charity money and are causing a silent Holocost in America since we need free Yeshivas to take in the hundreds of thousands of not religious Jews on the verge of intermarrying. They couldn't care less about killing the souls of their fellow Jews that are intermarrying and they pretend to not know about this and look the other way. Blood is on their hands. And they look down on Israel and righteous Jews who actually do any action like the Kahanists.
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Jdl4ever, your last post was your best one ever. You couldn't be more spot on. These white shirt guys and chasidim think that jews that are different than them are not jewish. They are the ones who make one chilul hashem after another when they are caught with prostitutes while dressed in their chasidic garb. They couldn't care less if another jew is in trouble. I am not anto religious at all. I am just anti the majority of chasidiim and litvaks in America. I love relgious settlers and Chaim ben pesach who is a religious jew. I just can't stand the types who feel that having a beard is more important than helping other jews. Shas are a prime example of a group of religious jews who care about nothing other than themselves. They support all the evil beasts as long as money is stuffed into ovadia yosefs fat pockets.
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Tzvi stop acting like an informing serpent. You are exactly what I was referring to in those questions to Chaim. You always manage to stick up for and defend those shas beasts yet I never heard you defend Chaim ben pesach when your cohort called him a degenerate awhile back. I should add that in the question which I asked Chaim about those chasidim, I was asking Chaim not making a statement. You went ahead and said outright that I would burn in hell. I simply asked whether or not Chaim believes those chasidim would burn. Again, be as quick to defend good as you are to attack shas questioners.
1- how many times did I defend Shas?
2- whos my cohort who called chaim a degenerate?.
I dont defend Shas or whateva, but the problem I have with you is your general attitude towards religious Jews. And no the Majority arent bad people its only your evil perception and inner jealousy towards them. This is the same hate that the anti-semites spew and the source of both them and you is that deep down you are jealous. Let me ask you something are you at least trying to be religious? if no my advice to you is please dont go to the land of Israel and pollute it. Jews dont need reshaim coming to the Holy Land filled with complete Sinat Hiam for fellow Jews.
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I agree with downwithislam, there is a lot wrong with the white shirters and many of the Chassidim today. Many think that they are saving the world by sitting in Yeshiva all day and are usually either stealing money from the government via welfare, wic, medicade, or making their parents wear their tuchas out trying to support them. They suck up all the charity money and are causing a silent Holocost in America since we need free Yeshivas to take in the hundreds of thousands of not religious Jews on the verge of intermarrying. They couldn't care less about killing the souls of their fellow Jews that are intermarrying and they pretend to not know about this and look the other way. Blood is on their hands. And they look down on Israel and righteous Jews who actually do any action like the Kahanists.
woow I didnt expect that from you. Whats the difference between this and Meretz?
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Tzvi Ben Roshel:
Shas isn't real jewish party in my opinion, to understand me, read this :
FOLLOW THE MONEY...................FOLLOW THE MONEY..........$$$$$$$....NOW FOLLOW THE POWER....FOLLOW THE POWER......PERES, OLMERT, RABIN, BEILIN .
That's right, they listening to LEFTIST because that equel power, influince and money, that's how it works in Israel, and Shas understand that, and they following the magick circul of leftists rules to get prizes of the leftists .
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the discussion isnt about Shas, its about the general attitude of Sinat Hinam that is being displayed by some here towards religious Jews.
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the discussion isnt about Shas, its about the general attitude of Sinat Hinam that is being displayed by some here towards religious Jews.
A.I want a definition for Sin'at Chinam
B.I don't hate Charedi Jews that Shas saying the claim for the representative of Charedi Jews, I like Charedi jews because they are very religious, but I don't like Shas because they are leftists, they supported Oslo agreement !
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Roshel, stop it while you are ahead. You are a rasha. Why did you make an unprovoked attack like that on me. At least I would go to the army. If Israel only had guys like you in there, their would be two soldiers in the army. You are not loyal to anything. You see that your opinion is not one held by many here.
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Tzvi, I'm a smart guy, 100% religious from birth as was my father and forefathers, and I know what's going on like downwithislam and dexter know the truth. If you step out of your Yeshiva and the little nothings they brainwash people with, covering up reality and outright lying with the excuse to "not cause Sinas Chinum" and to "support Torah and learning" to make you one of them (besides telling you to reject the traditions of your parents and uprooting the Torah with lies) you will see what's going on. All I write is from personal experience, what my father saw and my grandparents saw, and even a lot of my relatives are black hatters and they are not the role models you make them out to be, in fact most are doing what I just wrote. R' Kahane thought the same way. Don't believe me? Sit down with your grandparents or with some elders of your community and they will tell you the truth that was passed down to them from previous generations, unadulterated with the nonsense that these idiots throw at us in the past 60 years.
One of my black hat relatives just told my grandmother that she was serving them Treif and refused to eat anything she made for not filtering the water and not using a separate microwave for meat and dairy. She is Chassidish and a Holocost survivor. These are the nasty fanatics and liars that wear white shirts and black hats who know nothing of True Torah knowledge. I got enough stories to write for an hour about. These cult like fanatics tell you that us Kahanist are "crazy", "violent", "racist", "fanatics", "not trusting in Hashem by not just learning Torah and sitting on your tuchass", to disobey your parents and grandparents, their ancient Minhagim and instead follow what they say you should do (learn all day, steal money, not work, filter your water, support Shas, that Tanach isn't important, treat Misnagdim like scum etc.) They are uprooting the Torah and will all be whipped 39 lashes in a public square when the Kahanists come to power. (Note: I'm not referring to all black hatters or Chassidim, just the evil ones)
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the discussion isnt about Shas, its about the general attitude of Sinat Hinam that is being displayed by some here towards religious Jews.
A.I want a definition for Sin'at Chinam
B.I don't hate Charedi Jews that Shas saying the claim for the representative of Charedi Jews, I like Charedi jews because they are very religious, but I don't like Shas because they are leftists, they supported Oslo agreement !
a- Baseless Hatred (towards Jews)- it is what destroyed the second Temple and what still holds us in galut till this day.
b-Thats good, and no I dont defend Shas. I would never vote for them (I also would probably never vote becuase I hate the system).
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Tzvi, it seems you are unsure what you stand for and you are vacillating back and forth. At least I am consistent and I am not bashing religious jews. If I was a hater of religious jews, would I be supporting a religious jew named chaim ben pesach? I think not.
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Roshel, stop it while you are ahead. You are a rasha. Why did you make an unprovoked attack like that on me. At least I would go to the army. If Israel only had guys like you in there, their would be two soldiers in the army. You are not loyal to anything. You see that your opinion is not one held by many here.
You attacked whole communites of Jews and Im the one who is the rasha?- what makes me a rasha according to you? The only reason I posted it was becuase after I pm you, you still continue in your general negative attitude and negative stereoype of many religious Jews which is simply wronge and evil.
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the discussion isnt about Shas, its about the general attitude of Sinat Hinam that is being displayed by some here towards religious Jews.
A.I want a definition for Sin'at Chinam
B.I don't hate Charedi Jews that Shas saying the claim for the representative of Charedi Jews, I like Charedi jews because they are very religious, but I don't like Shas because they are leftists, they supported Oslo agreement !
a- Baseless Hatred (towards Jews)- it is what destroyed the second Temple and what still holds us in galut till this day.
b-Thats good, and no I dont defend Shas. I would never vote for them (I also would probably never vote becuase I hate the system).
A. OK, now, please show us our Sin'at Chinam .
B.You don't ? hmmm, that's intresting .
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the little nothings they brainwash people with, covering up reality and outright lying with the excuse to "not cause Sinas Chinum" and to "support Torah and learning" to make you one of them (besides telling you to reject the traditions of your parents and uprooting the Torah with lies) you will see what's going on.
the chasidim in Boro Park and the Litvaks in Lakewood do.These people just want to live here in comfort and they are not willing to give up one thing to help Jews.
don't want to live next door to some yeshiva guy who thinks that anyone who doesn't practice his brand of judaism isn't jewish.
sitting in Yeshiva all day and are usually either stealing money from the government via welfare, wic, medicade, or making their parents wear their tuchas out trying to support them. They suck up all the charity money and are causing a silent Holocost in America since we need free Yeshivas to take in the hundreds of thousands of not religious Jews on the verge of intermarrying. They couldn't care less about killing the souls of their fellow Jews that are intermarrying and they pretend to not know about this and look the other way. Blood is on their hands. And they look down on Israel and righteous Jews who actually do any action like the Kahanists.
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I attacked them because most chasidim and litvaks are scum. You are acting like a member of that community. I never saw you rate one jtf video. Start helping us instead of sucking up to our enemies.
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JDL4EVER will show you REAL TORAH, like the Rav tought, and not this nonsense that they teach you.
Baseless Hatred (towards Jews) is what destroyed the second temple but you forget that flattery also fanned the flames burning temple as Chazal tell us that when King Agrippa read the Torah at the festival of Succot and got to the verse "you may not place a foreigner over you"(Devarim 17: 15), he broke down and cried since he was a Ger. The Sages and all of Israel shouted "You are our brother! You are our brother!" and he stopped crying. The Rabbis write in Tosephta Sotah 7:16 that since they flattered Agrippa they deserved the destruction of the Temple. Agrippa was a righteous King as Chazal tell us that he stood when reading the Torah for respect of the Torah, more than was required. However, this should not have stopped us from following the Torah which forbids a foreigner from becoming King. Similarly, baseless hatred towards Jews if forbidden but that should not stop us from calling a spade a spade, calling out evil Jews and good meaning Jews that make huge mistakes, grossly violating the Torah. Such flattery will only destroy us again.
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Jdl4ever, tzvi ben roshel is an example of evil brainwashing. He was given little bits of info in yeshiva but he has not thought it through and does not understand it like you do jdl4ever. It is a shame he is always sticking up for these beasts and he wont even rate or comment on one jtf youtube video. He is a waste of time.
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JDL4EVER will show you REAL TORAH, like the Rav tought, and not this nonsense that they teach you.
Baseless Hatred (towards Jews) is what destroyed the second temple but you forget that flattery also fanned the flames burning temple as Chazal tell us that when King Agrippa read the Torah at the festival of Succot and got to the verse "you may not place a foreigner over you"(Devarim 17: 15), he broke down and cried since he was a Ger. The Sages and all of Israel shouted "You are our brother! You are our brother!" and he stopped crying. The Rabbis write in Tosephta Sotah 7:16 that since they flattered Agrippa they deserved the destruction of the Temple. Agrippa was a righteous King as Chazal tell us that he stood when reading the Torah for respect of the Torah, more than was required. However, this should not have stopped us from following the Torah which forbids a foreigner from becoming King. Similarly, baseless hatred towards Jews if forbidden but that should not stop us from calling a spade a spade, calling out evil Jews and good meaning Jews that make huge mistakes, grossly violating the Torah. Such flattery will only destroy us again.
Wow, you know a lot, way the go jdl4ever, Yishar Koach .
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If you step out of your Yeshiva and the little nothings they brainwash people with, covering up reality and outright lying with the excuse to "not cause Sinas Chinum" and to "support Torah and learning" to make you one of them (besides telling you to reject the traditions of your parents and uprooting the Torah with lies)
- I dont go to Yeshiva, but I do learn daily. When I did go to Yeshiva in High School , I went to a Baal Tishuva Yeshiva. my general problem with what you are saying is- why would you right away assume the negative? No one ever told me to reject my parents traditions, in fact the complete opposite is true, Any time I listin to a lecture online or in a Shul and Im told to strenthen my Jewish Bukharian background. I try going by the Bukharian Rabbis that I heard Halachot from, but theirs allmost no difference from the general Sefardic tradition and I do listin to many Halahot from www.dailyhalacha.com and to the best of my ability try following them.
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I do not think Scriabin should be banned, but I wonder why he was made a mod. He has a long history of fits and tantrums when he does not get his way in some manner (remember when he quit the forum because he was "jealous" of the Jews?). He doesn't seem stable much of the time.
I am going to venture the guess that you are bipolar, Scriabin, and have not been treated.
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I attacked them because most chasidim and litvaks are scum. You are acting like a member of that community. I never saw you rate one jtf video. Start helping us instead of sucking up to our enemies.
I am extazy17 on youtube.
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Jdl4ever, tzvi ben roshel is an example of evil brainwashing. He was given little bits of info in yeshiva but he has not thought it through and does not understand it like you do jdl4ever. It is a shame he is always sticking up for these beasts and he wont even rate or comment on one jtf youtube video. He is a waste of time.
Don't be so mean to the guy, it's not his fault. It took me a couple of years after Yeshiva to find our all of the truth myself and to lose all the brainwashing.
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If you do rate JTF videos then I take that specific accusation back and I am man enough to admit I was wrong on that issue. What I am correct on is your foolish misunderstanding of judaism and your twisted priorities when it comes to furthering jewish causes. You are on a kahanist forum and nobody agrees with your insane thinking. I think jdl4ever is far more knowledgeable on these issues than you so leave it be.
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Tzvi Ben Roshel, you are lucky to have gone to a Sephardic Yeshiva. Do me a favor and never step into an Ashkenazic one like I did since the stuff I wrote takes place in many Ashkenazi ones. The Sephardim are straighter and have less of this problem although it still exists. The Ashkenazi Litvish one I went to.... don't ask. I am ashkenazi but that doesn't stop me from saying the Truth. We got some serious problems.
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Jdl4ever, tzvi ben roshel is an example of evil brainwashing. He was given little bits of info in yeshiva but he has not thought it through and does not understand it like you do jdl4ever. It is a shame he is always sticking up for these beasts and he wont even rate or comment on one jtf youtube video. He is a waste of time.
Don't be so mean to the guy, it's not his fault. It took me a couple of years after Yeshiva to find our all of the truth myself and to lose all the brainwashing.
actually I did think like downwithislam and you,(a long time ago) and did hate on Askenazi Jews, saying why dont they fight. Why do they wear black hats and white shirts, thinking that they are money suckers. But then I realized its my irreligiousity and probably inner jealousy (that Im not fully religious) that is probably the source of this. I realised that its evil to judge them negetily like that even thought their might be very few bad apples, religious Jews arent bad people, but the ones who harber hatred towards them are.
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Okay...
DownwithIslam, I completely side with you here, but please calm down a bit. I don't want to see you get in trouble. I don't know that I agree that EVERY single Hasidic Jew is evil, but I believe that evil Jews should be treated exactly how they deserve.
Tzvi,
I confronted you and had every right to. You and your friend Dominater, on the other hand, had no right whatsoever to threaten members with hell for criticizing Shas leaders/rabbis. Even Thunderbolt (who is a VERY left-wing member) complained about this to Chaim and Chaim completely took his side. I guarantee you that calling Chaim (who IS a devout, religious Torah-abiding Jew) a "degenerate" IS a hilul Hashem, but the notion that the Bible forbids attacking evil Jews (or evil Christians or any evil person) is idolatrous nonsense.
If you really believe that Shas leaders are infallible and can never be scrutinized in any way, then you are deifying them and committing the bestial sin of idol-worship, and I have nothing left to add.
The Bible COMMANDS us to expose and shame wicked leaders who operate under the cover of religion. You and Dominater love to throw around what Torah does and does not forbid but yet we have yet to be shown any Bible or Talmudic verse saying that no Jew shall ever be held to task for his or her sins. The Shas party has literally sold large chunks of Israel. Its leaders live in the lap of the greatest luxury imaginable but hundreds of thousands of their Sephardic followers are hungry and unemployed (Arabs, who Shas philosophers consider to be righteous people, took their jobs). I would not be surprised if Shas is on the payroll of the Saudi sheiks or Ahmadinejad considering the stuff they constantly come up with and brainwash their followers with.
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Tzvi if you are jealous, don't go around claiming other people are. Please now. In any event, this topic is not worth discussing further and will not advance the cause any further. My point is made already and I appreciate all the support I have received on this issue from all the wonderful members of this forum. Thank you.
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Tzvi, Dont listen to DownwithIslam, he is just an anti religous man, who hates the rabbis, calls Hacham Ovadia Yosef a pimp, and all such names, he is a person who hates religous men. He said "most chassidim, and Litvaks are scum". And Tzvi, Daily halacha is Harav ELi Mansour? I hear him speak in brooklyn for seudah shlishi on shabbat. He has a daf yomi site, and i think a mishna berura website, PM me for them.
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Tzvi Ben Roshel, you are lucky to have gone to a Sephardic Yeshiva. Do me a favor and never step into an Ashkenazic one like I did since the stuff I wrote takes place in many Ashkenazi ones. The Sephardim are straighter and have less of this problem although it still exists. The Ashkenazi Litvish one I went to.... don't ask.
actually It wasnt Sefardic. allmost all of the teachers were Askenazi, but since many Jews were Bukharian (some Israeli and persians too), in Halachot classes we asked to learn the Sefardi ways of doing things. It wasnt a strict Yeshiva, most of the people their (including myself) went to public school prior to that.
Even though I learned a lot over the years in that school, the majority of things I learned independetly either alone or with different friends. If anyone knows me, I am a Kahanists(meaning I do agree with the teachings of the Rav), but what I dont agree with is just bashing and belittling whole Jewish (expecially Religious) communities.
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Dominater and Tzvi, I have yet to see scriptural proof that it is a sin to attack religious leaders even if they are Erev Rav.
Show me some verses and we will talk. Otherwise DWI and myself will be ignoring everything you have to say from here on out, in any thread.
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Chaimfan, I will absolutely ignore these two from here on out unless they say something outright disingenuous. It's so funny how dominator has chimed in in defense of his cohort and in attack of kahanist jewry and righteous gentiles. Lets not forget that dominator referred to gentiles as "goyim" a little while back.
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Okay...
DownwithIslam, I completely side with you here, but please calm down a bit. I don't want to see you get in trouble. I don't know that I agree that EVERY single Hasidic Jew is evil, but I believe that evil Jews should be treated exactly how they deserve.
Tzvi,
I confronted you and had every right to. You and your friend Dominater, on the other hand, had no right whatsoever to threaten members with hell for criticizing Shas leaders/rabbis. Even Thunderbolt (who is a VERY left-wing member) complained about this to Chaim and Chaim completely took his side. I guarantee you that calling Chaim (who IS a devout, religious Torah-abiding Jew) a "degenerate" IS a hilul Hashem, but the notion that the Bible forbids attacking evil Jews (or evil Christians or any evil person) is idolatrous nonsense.
If you really believe that Shas leaders are infallible and can never be scrutinized in any way, then you are deifying them and committing the bestial sin of idol-worship, and I have nothing left to add.
The Bible COMMANDS us to expose and shame wicked leaders who operate under the cover of religion. You and Dominater love to throw around what Torah does and does not forbid but yet we have yet to be shown any Bible or Talmudic verse saying that no Jew shall ever be held to task for his or her sins. The Shas party has literally sold large chunks of Israel. Its leaders live in the lap of the greatest luxury imaginable but hundreds of thousands of their Sephardic followers are hungry and unemployed (Arabs, who Shas philosophers consider to be righteous people, took their jobs). I would not be surprised if Shas is on the payroll of the Saudi sheiks or Ahmadinejad considering the stuff they constantly come up with and brainwash their followers with.
You are right, the TORAH commands us to expose wicked leaders. Who in Shas is a wicked leader? Shas does not consider Arabs righteous people. And again with you to the extreme, saying Shas has saudis and ahmadinejad on their payrolls.
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No one attacked all the religious Jews or religious communities. We were attacking the evil people and inadvertent sinners they corrupt in these communities; and they are not a small insignificant percentage.
For example, around 98% of Jews are not religious, so would it be wrong for me in saying that most of Jews are sinners? Of course not. Come on here, the cold hard truth is the truth.
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Chaimfan, I will absolutely ignore these two from here on out unless they say something outright disingenuous. It's so funny how dominator has chimed in in defense of his cohort and in attack of kahanist jewry and righteous gentiles. Lets not forget that dominator referred to gentiles as "goyim" a little while back.
Yes I did call gentiles goyim, whats the problem with that ?
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OK these two are proving all my points. And ovadia pimp yosef is evil. For a man to throw chaim ben pesach the hell out of Israel on the same day he met with arafat is all we need to know. Dominator, Chaim ben pesach is a degenerate but ovadia isn't? What are you?
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Tzvi, Dont listen to DownwithIslam, he is just an anti religous man, who hates the rabbis, calls Hacham Ovadia Yosef a pimp, and all such names, he is a person who hates religous men. He said "most chassidim, and Litvaks are scum". And Tzvi, Daily halacha is Harav ELi Mansour? I hear him speak in brooklyn for seudah shlishi on shabbat. He has a daf yomi site, and i think a mishna berura website, PM me for them.
It isn't ligical that DownwithIslam "is just an anti religous man" because kahanism is a religous ideology that admire one kind of religous people wich is the National religous, and don't really like the anti-zionist/separatist ideology of the chassidim and charedim unless they aren't from the mainstreem of the chasidic ideology that, for exemple supported Kahane. Another problem is that they bearly working for thamselvs, the wife working for tham, is that logical ? is that how judaism was in the past ? of course not, every jew worked, only in Israel some jews need to work for other jews that even don't serve, or serve only for 4 monthes in the IDF that defending tham while they are in the Yeshiva, while other jews, the National religous are at the yeshiva, working AND serving the IDF, those are the elite of the elite in my opinion .
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Dominater and Tzvi, I have yet to see scriptural proof that it is a sin to attack religious leaders even if they are Erev Rav.
Show me some verses and we will talk. Otherwise DWI and myself will be ignoring everything you have to say from here on out, in any thread.
I (personally) wasnt defending shas, I was pointing to the fact that Jewish communities were attacked on the forum.
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yes the only jews who were attacked is me and chaimfan by you and chaim be pesach being called a degenerate. Gentiles were insulted also. If whole groups need to be attacked they will be. I was attacking evil and will continue to do so.
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OK these two are proving all my points. And ovadia pimp yosef is evil. For a man to throw chaim ben pesach the hell out of Israel on the same day he met with arafat is all we need to know. Dominator, Chaim ben pesach is a degenerate but ovadia isn't? What are you?
Are you even comparing hacham Ovadia to CBP, they arent even in the same league. And again Viewers of this post look at what this man calls the former chief rabbi, "evil", "pimp". And I dont think Rabbi Yosef had anything to do with kicking CBP out of Israel. I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.
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Chaimfan, I will absolutely ignore these two from here on out unless they say something outright disingenuous. It's so funny how dominator has chimed in in defense of his cohort and in attack of kahanist jewry and righteous gentiles. Lets not forget that dominator referred to gentiles as "goyim" a little while back.
Yes I did call gentiles goyim, whats the problem with that ?
Dominater, you are a racist--you are a Jewish Klansman just like that fraud David Haivri you worship (the Jewish David Duke). You probably light burning Stars of David on Gentiles' lawns.
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"But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed."
Dominater, nobody cares about your intimate contacts with David Haomo. Save it for your Bnei Elim friends.
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I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.
Dominater, this is Chaim Ben Pesach's forum. He pays the hosting fees, so I think you need to be a bit more respectful.
Chaimfan, the word goy or goyim just means nations other than Israel. It's not derogatory at all.
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At the bottom line, Ovadia himself decide every move of Shas, that includes expelling Chaim, supporting Oslo agreement, supporting anti-jewish goverments etc', the only diffrent between Ovadia and bailin is that Ovadia is religous and understand the torah, but only in some issues, so that's my messege too Ovadia Yosef : Stay out of politics !
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David Haivri isnt a "rasha" or the evil David Duke like you claimI dont agree with him on many things either. And Haivri wasnt a leader of JDL. I was talking abot people who were the head of JDL in thier times.
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OK these two are proving all my points. And ovadia pimp yosef is evil. For a man to throw chaim ben pesach the hell out of Israel on the same day he met with arafat is all we need to know. Dominator, Chaim ben pesach is a degenerate but ovadia isn't? What are you?
Are you even comparing hacham Ovadia to CBP, they arent even in the same league. And again Viewers of this post look at what this man calls the former chief rabbi, "evil", "pimp". And I dont think Rabbi Yosef had anything to do with kicking CBP out of Israel. I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.
Wow, he is sticking up for shas over Chaim Ben Pesach who has risked his life over and over and over again sitting in Prison for so much of his life only because of his live for his fellow jews. How dare you question this hero. His reward will be so much greater than that piece of garbage ovadia yosef who sits in comfort in Israel collecting from Israeli taxpayers and giving jews a bad name. The fact that you questioned Chaim role in JTF means that you are the most vile Islamic scum of the earth. Chaim be pesach sitting in jail being threated by shvartza muslims is not a big enough role in jdl for you? I hate you and you are not a religious jew. You are prob looking at homosexual porn while you slander the jewish hero and giant chaim ben pesach. I dont care that you insult me but I will not tolerate a man who sat in jail and has given up his life unable to get married only because he wanted to save jewish lives. I hate you dominator and I hope god strikes you down.
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Lisa, he used the word goyim in a derogatory way. He thought it was derogatory when he used it. Besides look at his recent posts and you can see what he means.
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Chaim Ben Pesach is far greater and has sacrificed more for jews than some stupid rabbi yosef who wears fancy clothes.
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I do respect CBP. and Ovadia Yosef didnt decide to expel Chaim, your G-d.
OK these two are proving all my points. And ovadia pimp yosef is evil. For a man to throw chaim ben pesach the hell out of Israel on the same day he met with arafat is all we need to know. Dominator, Chaim ben pesach is a degenerate but ovadia isn't? What are you?
Are you even comparing hacham Ovadia to CBP, they arent even in the same league. And again Viewers of this post look at what this man calls the former chief rabbi, "evil", "pimp". And I dont think Rabbi Yosef had anything to do with kicking CBP out of Israel. I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.
Wow, he is sticking up for shas over Chaim Ben Pesach who has risked his life over and over and over again sitting in Prison for so much of his life only because of his live for his fellow jews. How dare you question this hero. His reward will be so much greater than that piece of garbage ovadia yosef who sits in comfort in Israel collecting from Israeli taxpayers and giving jews a bad name. The fact that you questioned Chaim role in JTF means that you are the most vile Islamic scum of the earth. Chaim be pesach sitting in jail being threated by shvartza muslims is not a big enough role in jdl for you? I hate you and you are not a religious jew. You are prob looking at homosexual porn while you slander the jewish hero and giant chaim ben pesach. I dont care that you insult me but I will not tolerate a man who sat in jail and has given up his life unable to get married only because he wanted to save jewish lives. I hate you dominator and I hope G-d strikes you down.
You are a sick sick person. All you think about is homosexuality. I didnt say he wasnt big in JDL but he wasnt what people make him out to be. And again hacham Ovadia being called garbage.
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hacham ?
Dominater96-Answer my posts !
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My take on this:
David Haivri = evil, informer, nutcase
Ovadia Yosef = no comment ... let his dismal record speak for itself but I'm not calling him any names in public
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Chaim Ben Pesach is far greater and has sacrificed more for jews than some stupid rabbi yosef who wears fancy clothes.
MODERATORS!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH FORUM????????? The chief Rabbi of Israel being called stupid????????? This is tolerated??????? And you have been brainwashed so much. You cant even compare THis holy giant to CBP. And those clothes are the clothing that the rishon L'tzion wears. It is a sephardic custom, stop insulting it.
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my take-
Rav Ovadia- no real opinion.
Chaim- Hero.
some of the hot heads here- need to change their attitude towards religious Jews. Slandering entire Jewish communites is a very great sin which is very hard to completly rectify- will you go to each individual asking them for forgivness for making a false negative stereotype against them?
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I already said before and Chaim agreed in ask jtf to not call R' Ovadia Yosef names so don't call him pimp and stuff like that, just argue with what he says, no personal attacks. I saw him once and thought the outfit was cool.
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Chaim Ben Pesach is far greater and has sacrificed more for jews than some stupid rabbi yosef who wears fancy clothes.
MODERATORS!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH FORUM????????? The chief Rabbi of Israel being called stupid????????? This is tolerated??????? And you have been brainwashed so much. You cant even compare THis holy giant to CBP. And those clothes are the clothing that the rishon L'tzion wears. It is a sephardic custom, stop insulting it.
Rebbi ? Holy ? NO ONE IS HOLY IN JUDAISM, THE ONLY ONE WHO'S HOLY IS HASHEM, NOT KAHANE, NOT CHAIM AND NOTTT OVADIA YOSEF!
And Ovadia isn't the chif rebbi of israel, Yona Metzger is the chif rebbi of israel, and he also isnt the rishon L'tzion, he was in the past .
I do think that what Ovadia Yosef wears metters, he's clothes are really too fancy and show that Ovadia don't have a lot of modesty, that is a great thing to have and your "holly" rebbi dont have it .
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He doesnt wear it on a regular basis. Only on public visits to inportant people, and public appearances. My rabbi Hacham Shaul Kassin wears it when he arrives in Israel. He is the chief rabbi of the SYrian, and other middle eastern communites in America. And Rabbi Amar is also chief rabbi right now. OK you are right he is the former Rishon L'tzion. And he is holy.
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HOLY ? I think that calling a human holy is a sin (no?), and why kahane whore normal clothes ? and rebbi Kuk ? and what about meluvavitsh ?
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So you think Bar Kochba is also holy for being the leader of Israel or those countless evil Kings stated in the Tanach?
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They were Ashkenaz. Wearing those clothes are a SEPHARDIC custom.
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Nothing's wrong with the Sephardic custom. I'm sure King David wore some fancy clothes. Us Ashkenazim don't do it for humility.
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Nothing's wrong with the Sephardic custom. I'm sure King David wore some fancy clothes. Us Ashkenazim don't do it for humility.
David was chosen by G-d to be king on the chosen people..ovadia was chosen by...(???)
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Jews are concidered Holy. When Jews write Holy its not like the pagan or chriatian (maybe) reference meaning a deity like being. Look at Rav Kahane's Or Harayon a chapter starts off explaining it. (I dont have it in front of me BC I let my friend borrow the book).
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Jews are concidered Holy. When Jews write Holy its not like the pagan or chriatian (maybe) reference meaning a deity like being. Look at Rav Kahane's Or Harayon a chapter starts off explaining it. (I dont have it in front of me B.C.E. I let my friend borrow the book).
Well, jews are holy as people, not individualy .
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Jews are holy individually too.
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MODERATORS!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH FORUM?HuhHuh?? The chief Rabbi of Israel being called stupid?HuhHuh?? This is tolerated?HuhHuh And you have been brainwashed so much. You cant even compare THis holy giant to CBP. And those clothes are the clothing that the rishon L'tzion wears. It is a sephardic custom, stop insulting it.
Dominater, I'm a moderator here and I'm also Sephardic, or perhaps more accurately, Mizrachi.
Frankly, if you are so convinced that that Rabbi Yosef is "holy," then I don't understand why you even bother posting here. You know very well what Chaim and others here think of the rabbi. So why are you getting all bent out of shape? Chaim and the others are entitled to their opinion.
And I also agree with Dexter that no rabbi is holy. Only G-d is holy. Rabbis are human and fallible just like the rest of us. The only difference is they have chosen to go to rabbinical school, whereas others choose to study law, medicine or other topics. That doesn't make them holy, or better than us. So stop complaining.
Considering that this is a Kahanist website that is against giving up Jewish land under any circumstances, and whose members think that whole "Pikuach Nefesh" excuse is nonsense, of course the people here will criticize *anyone* who advocates doing that.
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Jews are concidered Holy. When Jews write Holy its not like the pagan or chriatian (maybe) reference meaning a deity like being. Look at Rav Kahane's Or Harayon a chapter starts off explaining it. (I dont have it in front of me B.C.E. I let my friend borrow the book).
Well, jews are holy as people, not individualy .
I think one person can be concidered Holier then others. (of course its G-d who is the True and Final Judge in deciding and knowing each individual completly). But Holy is related to being Seperated and above something else. You can say that a particular Rav or Talmid Chacham is a very Holy person (an expression used by people).
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He doesnt do it to be "fancy" he does it because it is what the chief rabbis wore in their countries before they got to Israel.
Jews are concidered Holy. When Jews write Holy its not like the pagan or chriatian (maybe) reference meaning a deity like being. Look at Rav Kahane's Or Harayon a chapter starts off explaining it. (I dont have it in front of me B.C.E. I let my friend borrow the book).
CHapter 23. "The CHosen People" He writes about deut 14:1-2 what Rashi says about it.MODERATORS!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH FORUM?HuhHuh?? The chief Rabbi of Israel being called stupid?HuhHuh?? This is tolerated?HuhHuh And you have been brainwashed so much. You cant even compare THis holy giant to CBP. And those clothes are the clothing that the rishon L'tzion wears. It is a sephardic custom, stop insulting it.
Dominater, I'm a moderator here and I'm also Sephardic, or perhaps more accurately, Mizrachi.
Frankly, if you are so convinced that that Rabbi Yosef is "holy," then I don't understand why you even bother posting here. You know very well what Chaim and others here think of the rabbi. So why are you getting all bent out of shape? Chaim and the others are entitled to their opinion.
And I also agree with Dexter that no rabbi is holy. Only G-d is holy. Rabbis are human and fallible just like the rest of us. The only difference is they have chosen to go to rabbinical school, whereas others choose to study law, medicine or other topics. That doesn't make them holy, or better than us. So stop complaining.
Considering that this is a Kahanist website that is against giving up Jewish land under any circumstances, and whose members think that whole "Pikuach Nefesh" excuse is nonsense, of course the people here will criticize *anyone* who advocates doing that.
Rabbis become rabbis because they go to rabbi school. thats insane. dont compare them to doctors or lawyers, being a rabbi is so different.
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Lisa well said. We have two traitors spewing hatred. Look at what he said about Chiam. Ovadia Yosef is not worthy of picking dirt out of Chaim Ben Pesachs toenails. He isn't a twentieth of what chaim ben pesach is. Ovadia Yosef wouldn't go on a diet to save a jew let alone sit in jail for so many years.
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Jews are holy individually too.
You can say the Jews are holy individually only when one jew is more holy than the other, other than that you can't say it, and no jew is more holy than the other so jews are holy only as people .
As you have a whole street with lamps, all lamps are broken other than one, it is the only one that works but bearly making light alone, but still, it's the only one the making light, when all lamps are working at the same level the street is full of light and you can't say one lamp's light is brighter than the others lamps light .
(I hope you understand my point)
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Dexter, everything that you write makes perfect sense. If these two turncoats had a millionth of your intelligence they would be in good shape.
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Lisa well said. We have two traitors spewing hatred. Look at what he said about Chiam. Ovadia Yosef is not worthy of picking dirt out of Chaim Ben Pesachs toenails. He isn't a twentieth of what chaim ben pesach is. Ovadia Yosef wouldn't go on a diet to save a jew let alone sit in jail for so many years.
We need a real Jewish moderator to fix this mess up. RELIGIOUS JEWS LOOK AT THE ABOVE POST !!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH WEBSITE!!!!!
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I don't believe the moderators will do anything simply because they agree with me. I think they realize that Chaim ben pesach has sacrificed himself on behalf of jews possibly more so than any jew alive today.
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Lisa well said. We have two traitors spewing hatred. Look at what he said about Chiam. Ovadia Yosef is not worthy of picking dirt out of Chaim Ben Pesachs toenails. He isn't a twentieth of what chaim ben pesach is. Ovadia Yosef wouldn't go on a diet to save a jew let alone sit in jail for so many years.
We need a real Jewish moderator to fix this mess up. RELIGIOUS JEWS LOOK AT THE ABOVE POST !!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH WEBSITE!!!!!
really ?
Well...RELIGIOUS JEWS LOOK AT THE ABOVE POST !!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH WEBSITE!!! YOU SUPPORT A REBBI WHO SUPPORTED EXPELLING CHAIM AND SUPPORTED OSLO AGREEMENT THAT COUSE THE DEATH OF MORE THAN 1500 JEWS !!
BANN HIM !!
Now seriously, give someone the right to to express himself and than answer what he's saying instead of trying make him banned .
P.S. I'v read in the Tanach today the book of Kohelet, and later i'v readed idioms and expressions of Chazal, one of those expressions was :
True Tzadik (Rightous person) is More doing and less talking .
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Again Dominator96 is spreading blood libels claiming the moderators aren't "Real jews." I guess they don't practice the tzvi ben roshel brand of judaism which is calling Chaim ben pesach a degenerate, minimizing the greatness of chaim ben pesach and other forms of insanity.
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Little dexter is smarter than our two resident "Religious Jews." Again I love religious jews which is proven by my support of Rabbi Kahane, Chaim Ben Pesach and religious settlers. Look at the facts not the excrement coming out of the tuchises of two hateful members.
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Dexter, everything that you write makes perfect sense. If these two turncoats had a millionth of your intelligence they would be in good shape.
What I have been writing makes perfect sense. you on the other hand are the one who needs to get a high dose of Judaism and stop with your evil Meritz type hatred. ( I personally dont care what you write about me, and I forgive you (and any Jew who writes something deragetory against me, bc I dont want a Jew to suffer threw me)
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tzvi Ben Roshel + Dominator96 = Chaim ben pesachs most hateful enemies.
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Dexter, everything that you write makes perfect sense. If these two turncoats had a millionth of your intelligence they would be in good shape.
What I have been writing makes perfect sense. you on the other hand are the one who needs to get a high dose of Judaism and stop with your evil Meritz type hatred. ( I personally dont care what you write about me, and I forgive you (and any Jew who writes something deragetory against me, B.C.E. I dont want a Jew to suffer threw me)
Oh yes dear master, please teach us about Judaism ;D
We are not spreading hatred, we spreading opinions, you answering sometimes to what we are saying, but Dominator96 dosn't, at all !
NOTE : In the early days of chasic judaism they considerd too be a cult .
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Again Dominator96 is spreading blood libels claiming the moderators aren't "Real jews." I guess they don't practice the tzvi ben roshel brand of judaism which is calling Chaim ben pesach a degenerate, minimizing the greatness of chaim ben pesach and other forms of insanity.
::) Now that is an outright LIE. I never called Chaim Ben Pesach a degenerate, nor have I said anything negative towards him. ???
Between me and you, you are the one who is calling other Jews degenerates and pimps, referring to Jews as Scum.
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Tzvi Ben Roshel, it is dominator96 who has savagely abused Chaim Ben Pesach. You are just a fool who has no idea what you are talking about ant think you are the only true jew.
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Again Dominator96 is spreading blood libels claiming the moderators aren't "Real jews." I guess they don't practice the tzvi ben roshel brand of judaism which is calling Chaim ben pesach a degenerate, minimizing the greatness of chaim ben pesach and other forms of insanity.
::) Now that is an outright LIE. I never called Chaim Ben Pesach a degenerate, nor have I said anything negative towards him. ???
Between me and you, you are the one who is calling other Jews degenerates and pimps, referring to Jews as Scum.
hmm.."You are right. I did tell downwithislam that he will go to hell "
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Chaimfan, the word goy or goyim just means nations other than Israel. It's not derogatory at all.
The way HE means it is. He comes from the Jewish supremacists over at Revava and I know full well what they mean. I am a Gentile and I do not like such disrespect, especially when the Jews he supports are anything but friends of the Jewish people.
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" I never called Chaim Ben Pesach a degenerate"
Dominater said that direct quote, but you have made constant posts and PMs threatening people with hell for criticizing Shas. You are no different from him.
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Thank you for pointing that out dexter. You are a great person to have on my side. Chaimfan, have you seen the evil dominator 96's attack on chaim ben pesach in this thread. Take a look at some of his previous posts and look at my responses.
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Again I love religious jews which is proven by my support of Rabbi Kahane, Chaim Ben Pesach and religious settlers.
I hear you out but please don't call the heroic Jews of Judea/Samaria (and formerly Gaza and the Sinai) "settlers". This has been their land for all of eternity and they are magnificent pioneers who are doing the L-rd's will (zt"l).
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Again Dominator96 is spreading blood libels claiming the moderators aren't "Real jews." I guess they don't practice the tzvi ben roshel brand of judaism which is calling Chaim ben pesach a degenerate, minimizing the greatness of chaim ben pesach and other forms of insanity.
::) Now that is an outright LIE. I never called Chaim Ben Pesach a degenerate, nor have I said anything negative towards him. ???
Between me and you, you are the one who is calling other Jews degenerates and pimps, referring to Jews as Scum.
hmm.."You are right. I did tell downwithislam that he will go to hell "
I first told him privatly, I thought I was being nice becuase I was telling him that he needs to change his language and the ways he speaks about Jews. If he would have listined, my advice would have been very good for him, becuase I was telling him to change.
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Thank you for pointing that out dexter. You are a great person to have on my side. Chaimfan, have you seen the evil dominator 96's attack on chaim ben pesach in this thread. Take a look at some of his previous posts and look at my responses.
I just logged back on, haven't seen it yet, but am not surprised. He worships Ovadia Yosef and everyone else is scum to him. If Ovadia Yosef told him to commit suicide we would finally be free of him on our forum.
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I first told him privatly, I thought I was being nice becuase I was telling him that he needs to change his language and the ways he speaks about Jews. If he would have listined, my advice would have been very good for him, becuase I was telling him to change.
Tzvi, what you have admitted to saying was a vile and horrible thing and that WAS a major sin against the L-rd. You don't even know if YOU are going to heaven, and yet here you are threatening members who disagree with where you stand on some extremely controversial religious leaders with a fate that you know full well you have no power to grant. I have no respect for you and neither do a whole lot of other members.
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Again Dominator96 is spreading blood libels claiming the moderators aren't "Real jews." I guess they don't practice the tzvi ben roshel brand of judaism which is calling Chaim ben pesach a degenerate, minimizing the greatness of chaim ben pesach and other forms of insanity.
::) Now that is an outright LIE. I never called Chaim Ben Pesach a degenerate, nor have I said anything negative towards him. ???
Between me and you, you are the one who is calling other Jews degenerates and pimps, referring to Jews as Scum.
hmm.."You are right. I did tell downwithislam that he will go to hell "
I first told him privatly, I thought I was being nice becuase I was telling him that he needs to change his language and the ways he speaks about Jews. If he would have listined, my advice would have been very good for him, becuase I was telling him to change.
Ohhh...you are so nice, sure, downwithislam need to change his opinions and language just for you don't tell him he'll go to hell, nice, you are the prosecutor,jury , eye witness and the judge(the real judge will also be YOUR judege), great, really .
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Right on Dexter. He thinks he is superjew and everyone he wants in hell will go there. I guess he wants ovadia in haven so that is where he will be. CHAIMFAN PLEASE OBSERVE THE NUMEROUS ATTACKS BY INFILTRATOR96 AGAINST THE HERO CHAIM BEN PESACH IN THIS THREAD. GO BACK A FEW PAGES AND SEE FOR YOURSELF AND COMMENT
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Tzvi Ben Roshel, it is dominator96 who has savagely abused Chaim Ben Pesach. You are just a fool who has no idea what you are talking about ant think you are the only true jew.
and yet you lied and said that I called Chaim names? I never said or think that Im the only true Jew, and this whole thing started when you went on needlessly attacking Jews. You are an anti-Semite and ignoramous, I feel sorry for you, and would want you to understand you error.
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Tzvi Ben Roshel - You are FAR off the limits, you can't call a jew anti-Semite and also send him to hell, who do you think you are that you have the right to judge others ?
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You are an anti semite for claiming that I am going to hell. That was the initial personal attack.
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Tzvi Ben Roshel, it is dominator96 who has savagely abused Chaim Ben Pesach. You are just a fool who has no idea what you are talking about ant think you are the only true jew.
and yet you lied and said that I called Chaim names? I never said or think that Im the only true Jew, and this whole thing started when you went on needlessly attacking Jews. You are an anti-Semite and ignoramous, I feel sorry for you, and would want you to understand you error.
I didn't see any savage abuse on Chaim Ben Pesach. He just said that he believes because he was told that Chaim wasn't as big of a deal as some people make him out to be. He's just repeating what he's been told by Kahanist haters. I think you blew that a bit out of proportion DownwithIslam.
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I never said that you wont go to heaven. In Judaism after death one can go to hell, clense him or herself and then go to heaven (also many other stops like gilgulim, etc.), I dont know how I got linked to personal Rabbis (who I also wouldnt like to be attacked on the forum expecially by ignoramouses and a gentile). He attacked Jewish communities and it was wronge. period
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I never said that you wont go to heaven. In Judaism after death one can go to hell, clense him or herself and then go to heaven (also many other stops like gilgulim, etc.), I dont know how I got linked to personal Rabbis (who I also wouldnt like to be attacked on the forum expecially by ignoramouses and a gentile). He attacked Jewish communities and it was wronge. period
Everyone, me, you and downwithislam probably will go to hell, we aren't tzadikim, but you have no right to say someone he'll go to hell !!
Besides, you aren't the nicest person :
"I never said I would organize it, I actually didnt think one person is needed to organize the event. If someone is offended by what I said, I honestly can tell you that I dont care, if he or she doesnt want to talk to me, then dont. my criticism was actually meant to be positive so the person would change and not spew nonsense which does make a Hillul Hashe-m."
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Look at what the evil dominator96 said. I am posting his words below. Look at this vile beast. I responded by saying Ovadia Yosef is not worthy of picking the diret from underneath Chaim Ben Pesachs toenails.
"""""""""""""Are you even comparing hacham Ovadia to CBP, they arent even in the same league. And again Viewers of this post look at what this man calls the former chief rabbi, "evil", "pimp". And I dont think Rabbi Yosef had anything to do with kicking CBP out of Israel. I know that alot of JTFers think that Chaim is up there with the President but face it, he isnt so "infamous" in Israel, that they would consult the leaders of Israel about him. I respect Chaim as a great man who did good work in the JDL. But Ive spoken to former JDL leaders and they have all said that CHaim, wasnt that significant in JDL, and when he was, it wasnt as big as he claimed.
MODERATORS!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH FORUM? ?? The chief Rabbi of Israel being called stupid? ?? This is tolerated? And you have been brainwashed so much. You cant even compare THis holy giant to CBP. And those clothes are the clothing that the rishon L'tzion wears. It is a sephardic custom, stop insulting it."""""""""""""""""""
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Tzvi Ben Roshel - You are FAR off the limits, you can't call a jew anti-Semite and also send him to hell, who do you think you are that you have the right to judge others ?
how can he judge entire Jewish communites?
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Dexter, you are a tzaddik. You should be blessed.
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Tzvi Ben Roshel - You are FAR off the limits, you can't call a jew anti-Semite and also send him to hell, who do you think you are that you have the right to judge others ?
how can he judge entire Jewish communites?
I can judge entire chasidic communities and others when it is well know that they are anti semite bastards. Are you going to argue against the premise?
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Tzvi Ben Roshel - You are FAR off the limits, you can't call a jew anti-Semite and also send him to hell, who do you think you are that you have the right to judge others ?
how can he judge entire Jewish communites?
Simpely :
(http://www.nogw.com/images/14.jpg)
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A picture is worth a thousand words.
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the picture you posted are a group of evil people. But Hasidim and Jews in general arent Nuturei Karta. Down- you attacked Hasidim, Mitnagdim. people who live in Lakewood, people who learn in Yeshiva's, the "white shirt" Jews, etc.
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you are no different then the bolshevik media and meritz in Israel.
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Tzvi Ben Roshel - You are FAR off the limits, you can't call a jew anti-Semite and also send him to hell, who do you think you are that you have the right to judge others ?
how can he judge entire Jewish communites?
Simpely :
(http://www.nogw.com/images/14.jpg)
Dexter you should edit that in photoshop to say something like:
"Solution: Peaceful Dismantling of my head from my body"
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Tzvi Ben Roshel, lets not try to sugarcoat your comments which were hateful. The only reason you seem moderate now is because that animal dominatori96 came on and outdid you by far. Next to his anti semitic rant, your comments look mild but they aren't. I do believe we can work with you and show you the light. You must understand that things are not black and white as your anti zionist anti semitic yeshiva might have you believe. I think JDL4EVER explained that clearly.
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Yeah, Down, I read what he said, basically he was saying that he believes the lies of Shabak officers like Haivri and Irv Rubin over Chaim himself or Rabbi Kahane (zt"l) or the actual people in the JDL.
Next thing you know Dominater will be cursing Rabbi Kahane himself and Jonathan Pollard.
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the picture you posted are a group of evil people. But Hasidim and Jews in general arent Nuturei Karta. Down- you attacked Hasidim, Mitnagdim. people who live in Lakewood, people who learn in Yeshiva's, the "white shirt" Jews, etc.
Hasidim, Mitnagdim ? what's that ?
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Tzvi and Dominater are obviously very, very, very good friends.
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Would Queens College allow a meeting?
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Let's have a Los Angeles meeting.
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I hate you dominator and I hope G-d strikes you down.
(ref.)
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We need a real Jewish moderator to fix this mess up. RELIGIOUS JEWS LOOK AT THE ABOVE POST !!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A JEWISH WEBSITE!!!!!
Dominater, I'm as Jewish as you or anyone else on this forum. So what makes you the judge of who is and is not Jewish? For your information, Chaim Ben Pesach chose me to be a moderator. So if you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with Chaim.
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Would Queens College allow a meeting?
I hope so!
I would be there... I think that some of the Non-Jewish posters really wanted to meet and NOW I don't know what's going on?! JTF was founded on certain principles and ideas that brought together Jews and Christians for the better good...
I don't understand why some of our members are verbally fighting and calling each other names when we didn't even meet one another to better express our ideas and differences. Thats' why I think we need Chaim and some leadership to put this whole thing to rest. I propose we still have the meeting for all who are interested in coming... I hope Chaim can be there as well.
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I like to be there for an JTF meeting. I hope that the people that attacked the website and the fourms will be there too so we can attack them.
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I like to be there for an JTF meeting. I hope that the people that attacked the website and the fourms will be there too so we can attack them.
A good, down home, old fahioned @ss whoopin' like the old JDL used to do sounds like a fine idea.
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Hello friends, and good day to all.
I have been monitoring this thread in the hopes that the men of this forum would reach a consensus considering we're all members, and obviously share similar goals. It hasn't happened, and instead this thread has continued to devolve into an embarrassing display of name-calling, aspersions, and attacks.
I am disappointed in the ease in which some of our members attack each other and level vicious personal attacks against their fellow JTF'ers. It's as if there's no concept or respect for the fact that regardless of our differences, our very presence here indicates a soul that's in the right place, a heart that yearns for the redemption of the world. In this theead I've seen folks speaking to each other not as friends with a disagreement, but as distrusting, disloyal enemies.
How dare anyone of you speak to your fellow members with this kind of tone?
Some of you have made the most outrageous comments and questions on the ASK JTF segment to Chaim Ben Pesach yet Chaim NEVER turned on you. He never spoke to you as you have done to each other. He never slandered any of you in a way that would indicate anger, distrust, or disloyalty. He never screamed or called you enemies or traitors as you have done here even if your comments or questions could be construed as such. He spoke to every single one of you with respect, love, and courtesy for one simple reason: Because he knows, as I know, that at the end of the day we all have the same goal in mind, and for that reason I care about every one of you, just as he cares about you, and you for him.
There is no reason that the Rabbi's need to be attacked in the manner they have been. Chaim has already advised us against this, and out of respect for him and this forum it stops now. There's no basis or justification for questioning Chaim's claims about his involvement in the JDL or denigrating in any capacity his lifelong struggle in defense of the Jewish idea. This as well with no longer be tolerated, and I will be personally deleting posts which go over the line from here on out.
It’s pointless to denigrate one individual in order to boost up another. Frankly it's irrational, and downright immature. All criticism of Chaim, and the Rabbi's IS allowed, but name-calling, vicious attacks, and aspersions ARE NOT. You do NOT have to put down person A, in order to promote person B. Everyone person in this world stands on their own merits, not on the merits (or lack thereof) of others.
I expect every single one of you to follow these admonitions from here on out, or else I will personally begin to delete posts as I stated above, and handing out disciplinary action in accordance with our rules if necessary. This is the final warning on this topic. These threads DRIVE people away, and turn off potential supporters, and are completely avoidable and unnecessary. I don't want to see anyone calling on the banning of our long standing members, casting them to hell here, slandering Chaim or the Rabbi’s etc. here or in any other thread.
I will keep this thread open because I know all of you will do what needs to be done from here on out. Prove me right, please do not prove me wrong.
With kindest regards until Shiloh comes,
Christopher
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You're Absolutely Right!!!!!
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Until Shiloh Comes, your message is a little unclear. Why don't you be specific and say who did what and who exactly you are upset at? There is no reason to leave things up in the air, just be specific. Instead of just writing a long message, you could of just stated exactly who you were referring to in each occurrence.
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Hello DownwithIslam, and good day to you.
There's nothing convoluted in my message. It's an admonition to all those involved in this thread to stop the the personal insults, aspersions, and over the top attacks, which are against all forum rules. We're not to speak to each other in the same manner that we speak to our enemies, and that's a lesson you'd be do well in learning.
I don't ever want to see you call for the death of a member here again, DownWithIslam. Nor do I wish to see anymore name calling with respect to the Rabbi's, which Chaim himself has said he discourages. If you wish to criticize, do so, and do so intelligently. I believe you can.
Kindest regards as always,
Christopher.
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Hello friends, and good day to all.
I have been monitoring this thread in the hopes that the men of this forum would reach a consensus considering we're all members, and obviously share similar goals. It hasn't happened, and instead this thread has continued to devolve into an embarrassing display of name-calling, aspersions, and attacks.
I am disappointed in the ease in which some of our members attack each other and level vicious personal attacks against their fellow JTF'ers. It's as if there's no concept or respect for the fact that regardless of our differences, our very presence here indicates a soul that's in the right place, a heart that yearns for the redemption of the world. In this theead I've seen folks speaking to each other not as friends with a disagreement, but as distrusting, disloyal enemies.
How dare anyone of you speak to your fellow members with this kind of tone?
Some of you have made the most outrageous comments and questions on the ASK JTF segment to Chaim Ben Pesach yet Chaim NEVER turned on you. He never spoke to you as you have done to each other. He never slandered any of you in a way that would indicate anger, distrust, or disloyalty. He never screamed or called you enemies or traitors as you have done here even if your comments or questions could be construed as such. He spoke to every single one of you with respect, love, and courtesy for one simple reason: Because he knows, as I know, that at the end of the day we all have the same goal in mind, and for that reason I care about every one of you, just as he cares about you, and you for him.
There is no reason that the Rabbi's need to be attacked in the manner they have been. Chaim has already advised us against this, and out of respect for him and this forum it stops now. There's no basis or justification for questioning Chaim's claims about his involvement in the JDL or denigrating in any capacity his lifelong struggle in defense of the Jewish idea. This as well with no longer be tolerated, and I will be personally deleting posts which go over the line from here on out.
It’s pointless to denigrate one individual in order to boost up another. Frankly it's irrational, and downright immature. All criticism of Chaim, and the Rabbi's IS allowed, but name-calling, vicious attacks, and aspersions ARE NOT. You do NOT have to put down person A, in order to promote person B. Everyone person in this world stands on their own merits, not on the merits (or lack thereof) of others.
I expect every single one of you to follow these admonitions from here on out, or else I will personally begin to delete posts as I stated above, and handing out disciplinary action in accordance with our rules if necessary. This is the final warning on this topic. These threads DRIVE people away, and turn off potential supporters, and are completely avoidable and unnecessary. I don't want to see anyone calling on the banning of our long standing members, casting them to hell here, slandering Chaim or the Rabbi’s etc. here or in any other thread.
Sounds reasonable.
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Untilshilohcomes, do you speak as formally as you write?
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Yeah, Down, I read what he said, basically he was saying that he believes the lies of Shabak officers like Haivri and Irv Rubin over Chaim himself or Rabbi Kahane (zt"l) or the actual people in the JDL.
Next thing you know Dominater will be cursing Rabbi Kahane himself and Jonathan Pollard.
Again with the Exaggerating.
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We already had a meeting in Queens College several months ago that I organized but only CJD showed up.
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That's a shame that only one person showed up. If you have another meeting and inform us on the fourm, I'm sure people will show up.
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Ummmmm, Until Shiloh Comes, you must not be listening to all the Ask JTF programs. While Chaim did say a few months ago that Calling the rabbi names was unhelpful, on a more recent show he was asked about it and he was much more lenient in regards to calling specifically Ovadia Yosef names. He said on the JTF fORUM, PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO ATTACK OVADIA YOSEF AND IT IS ACCEPTABLE HERE. Until Shiloh Comes, you seem to be very selective in your criticism, completely ignoring the fact that I was called names, guaranteed that I would burn an hell and you said nothing to condemn the fact that Chaim ben pesach was slandered. I am sure you would love to ban me because I am more right wing than you but you have to understand that banning me would hurt the forum more than it would hurt me. Sure I would Miss the forum if I was banned but then their would be a very small number of people who would be willing to stick up for Chaim. Their are only a handful of people who I have seen be willing to give it their all in support of Chaim. I know it is sometimes fun to flex your muscles and to threaten banning upon a member but you have to understand that it is not punishing me. I would miss everyone on this forum greatly and I plan on being a JTF member for life but if I am banned because I am uncompromisingly right wing then I am OK with that. I will not water down my message and I will not cease to defend myself for fear of being banned and I am sure many of the friends I have made on here would not be happy to see me banned. Please check with Cahim Ben Pesach himself and see what he says about my message. Don't make the decision on your own.
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Christopher, a while back I made a legitimate thread asking for the Scriptural basis of not attacking any rabbis--I really wanted to know what verses and passages state this. Nobody ever gave me a straight response.
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Chaimfan, Christopher has only criticised and threatened me, he ignores the violations of all the Chaim Ben Peasach haters and overall jewish anti semites.
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Chaimfan you did not receive a response because their is no basis for the claim. It is entirely permissable to attack rabbis or anyone else that is trying to destroy innocent people.
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In Judaism you can't attack anyone cuz it "Leshon HaRa" unless the one you attacking done bad things..Ovadia :o
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Dexter, can you believe I was threatened while mine and Chaim Ben Pesachs attackers were just given a treat for what they did?
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Everybody recognizes that there are evil "Christian" theologians such as Richard Mouw (president of Fuller Seminary in Pasadena, CA) and Jimmy-hat Farter. The Bible teaches that there is such a thing as Erev Rav. How are some of these rabbis any different from Jimmy Carter (ys"vz)?
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Yeah, Down, I read what he said, basically he was saying that he believes the lies of Shabak officers like Haivri and Irv Rubin over Chaim himself or Rabbi Kahane (zt"l) or the actual people in the JDL.
Next thing you know Dominater will be cursing Rabbi Kahane himself and Jonathan Pollard.
Again with the Exaggerating.
And again you do nothing to disprove me. The fact that you did not deny that you are capable of cursing Rabbi Meir Kahane (zt"l) and Jonathan Pollard (zt"l) only can be taken to mean that you WOULD if you ever heard them condemning your idols.
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Jonathan Pollard isn't dead .
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We already had a meeting in Queens College several months ago that I organized but only CJD showed up.
You should have made it more public... I would have come!
Make an announcement and post it a few weeks in advance so that we can all get ready for it... Let's try it again JDL.
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Ummmmm, Until Shiloh Comes, you must not be listening to all the Ask JTF programs. While Chaim did say a few months ago that Calling the rabbi names was unhelpful, on a more recent show he was asked about it and he was much more lenient in regards to calling specifically Ovadia Yosef names. He said on the JTF fORUM, PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO ATTACK OVADIA YOSEF AND IT IS ACCEPTABLE HERE. Until Shiloh Comes, you seem to be very selective in your criticism, completely ignoring the fact that I was called names, guaranteed that I would burn an hell and you said nothing to condemn the fact that Chaim ben pesach was slandered. I am sure you would love to ban me because I am more right wing than you but you have to understand that banning me would hurt the forum more than it would hurt me. Sure I would Miss the forum if I was banned but then their would be a very small number of people who would be willing to stick up for Chaim. Their are only a handful of people who I have seen be willing to give it their all in support of Chaim. I know it is sometimes fun to flex your muscles and to threaten banning upon a member but you have to understand that it is not punishing me. I would miss everyone on this forum greatly and I plan on being a JTF member for life but if I am banned because I am uncompromisingly right wing then I am OK with that. I will not water down my message and I will not cease to defend myself for fear of being banned and I am sure many of the friends I have made on here would not be happy to see me banned. Please check with Cahim Ben Pesach himself and see what he says about my message. Don't make the decision on your own.
Hello DownWithIslam, and good day.
As is usually the case with you DWI, you concoct a strawman, and proceed to debate it. Firstly you claim that I've specifically criticized you and only you. The record shows I NEVER mentioned anyone's name in my initial reply, and that I admonished everyone in this thread to remain mindful that they are amongst friends, and that personal attacks will not be tolerated from anybody. The name-calling, casting to hell etc... were things I specifically brought up in the spirit of defending you DWI, yet you choose to completely ignore it, and suggest I‘m picking only on you. I'm not shocked at all.
The second strawman is the idea that you're "more right wing" than I am. Something you conjured up in your own imagination because I don't throw around accusations and attack my friends personally in the manner that you have. You have NO concept whatsoever of my political leanings that would justify that claim, DWI. What I can tell you is that for the 7+ years I've been supporting JTF, I've never heard Chaim utter a word about our Constitutional system that disagreed with my own understanding. "Right-wing" has nothing to do with attacking, anger, and implacability as you seem to think. It has to do with your system of socio-political beliefs -- and mine are as right wing as anybodies.
The last straw man is the idea that I would "love" to ban you. When have I ever struck you as the type to throw around ban's as whimsically as you throw around insults? I'm not you DownWithIslam, believe that. I have no desire to "flex my muscle", since I consider every user on this forum an ally -- again, UNLIKE you.
My initial post stands, and if I see the personal attacks continue then I will delete posts, and move to disciplinary action if necessary. I have asked for nothing except common decency. Criticize all you want, but personal attacks of the type in this thread against fellow forum members is not allowed. If I see you or anybody else bashing long-standing forum members it will not be tolerated.
Kindest regards as always,
Christopher
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Hello DownWithIslam, and good day.
As is usually the case with you DWI, you concoct a strawman, and proceed to debate it. Firstly you claim that I've specifically criticized you and only you. The record shows I NEVER mentioned anyone's name in my initial reply, and that I admonished everyone in this thread to remain mindful that they are amongst friends, and that personal attacks will not be tolerated from anybody. The name-calling, casting to hell etc... were things I specifically brought up in the spirit of defending you DWI, yet you choose to completely ignore it, and suggest I‘m picking only on you. I'm not shocked at all.
The second strawman is the idea that you're "more right wing" than I am. Something you conjured up in your own imagination because I don't throw around accusations, and attack my friends personally in the manner that you have. You have NO concept whatsoever of my political leanings that would justify that claim, DWI. What I can tell you that for the 7+ years I've been supporting JTF I've never heard Chaim utter a word about our Constitutional system that disagreed with my own understanding. "Right-wing" has nothing to do with attacking, anger, and implacability as you seem to think. It has to do with your system of socio-political beliefs -- and mine are as right wing as anybodies.
The last straw man is the idea that I would "love" to ban you. When have I ever struck you as the type to throw around ban's as whimsically as you throw around insults? I'm not you DownWithIslam, believe that. I have no desire to "flex my muscle", since I consider every user on this forum an ally -- again, UNLIKE you.
My initial post stands, and if I see the personal attacks continue then I will delete posts, and move to disciplinary action if necessary. I have asked for nothing except common decency. Criticize all you want, but personal attacks of the type in this thread against fellow forum members is not allowed. If I see you or anybody else bashing long-standing forum members it will not be tolerated.
Kindest regards as always,
Christopher
Bravo.
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Tzvi Ben Roshel nazi troll needs to be banned immediently
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Tzvi Ben Roshel nazi troll needs to be banned immediently
We haven't any banners at the moment. It is the Sabbath.
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First of all Until Shiloh Comes, stop fabricating stories about me throwing around insults. True I questioned certain members who threaten to leave and sure I am defending the truth against haters like tzvi ben roshel and dominator96 who the majority of this forum despises. You claim that I throw around insults? Name me one other person besides the ones I admitted to insulting above, that I have attacked! You said nothing to defend Chaim Ben Pesach but you made sure to threaten me! Look at how Chaim Ben Pesach was slandered, I suggest you clarify your position on that before threatening me. Also you tried to change the subject by bringing up that I made a false claim that you weren't as right wing as me. I possibly did say that, but I am not sure and if you could point out where I wrote that it would be helpful. If I did say that, all I meant was that if you don't like something I said, won't you show it to other admins like jeffguy and lisa before threatening? I guess not because you already saw that Lisa supported me. I don't want the JTF forum to have internal fighting and I don't want to continue this as it distracts us from our important goals. When I initially started debating with tzvi ben roshel and dominator, it was because they insulted myself and slandered chaim. I really didn't want it to turn out like this and I don't appreciate being threatened for no reason by a mod.
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DWI, calm down. I do not want to see you get in trouble. Let me handle this.
Christopher,
I do think DWI has a point. Yeah, you may not have officially ever disciplined us, but you have often warned us to pipe down or cease a discussion or argument. For instance, you have often told me to stop criticizing other members or to stop insulting obviously evil people such as StørmFrønt trolls. I have yet to see similar warnings to left-wing posters or those who attack us. Maybe I have overlooked them--I admit this is a possibility, but I just haven't seen it.
For the record, I don't think DownwithIslam should have gone at you like this in this thread, but we are both frustrated that you have not said anything to Tzvi and Dominater, who are attacking Chaim and both of us for not considering Ovadia Yosef a saint.
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Chaimfan thank you for the support. I do think I should of said what I said to him or else he will be free to terrorize me. I can't allow that. I don't want this to escalate and detract from the cause.
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Christopher, a while back I made a legitimate thread asking for the Scriptural basis of not attacking any rabbis--I really wanted to know what verses and passages state this. Nobody ever gave me a straight response.
Youll get it sometime tonight or tommorow.
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It should be on the tip of your tongue. Surely you would have the verse and book memorized for such an occasion as this.
I also am expecting to see the Scripture verses that teach that G-d makes an exception to the commandment against polytheism and idolatry for really great rabbis.
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It should be on the tip of your tongue. Surely you would have the verse and book memorized for such an occasion as this.
I also am expecting to see the Scripture verses that teach that G-d makes an exception to the commandment against polytheism and idolatry for really great rabbis.
I dont know any "scripture". I know torah, Gemarah, Neviim, and such. There is more then 5 books to the torah. The Hachamim say that if a person learns all of his life non stop, he wont finish the whole torah, itll only be a drop in the ocean. And figure that I havent died yet, so Ive hardly learned alot of torah. Ill consult with my rabbi, look up a couple of sefarim and get back to you. This isnt christianity where there is the bible and thats it. It is impossible to remember the whole gemarah, which my answer is probably in. it also might be somewhere in the mishneh torah.
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Dominator96, please don't cause a chillul hashem on the forum by insulting gentiles. Show some decency.
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I dont know any "scripture". I know torah, Gemarah, Neviim, and such. There is more then 5 books to the torah. The Hachamim say that if a person learns all of his life non stop, he wont finish the whole torah, itll only be a drop in the ocean. And figure that I havent died yet, so Ive hardly learned alot of torah. Ill consult with my rabbi, look up a couple of sefarim and get back to you. This isnt christianity where there is the bible and thats it. It is impossible to remember the whole gemarah, which my answer is probably in. it also might be somewhere in the mishneh torah.
Don't play wordgames with me wiseguy, you were called on something and if you cannot provide a source, I have to assume you and/or your rabbi are making this up.
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I dont know any "scripture". I know torah, Gemarah, Neviim, and such. There is more then 5 books to the torah. The Hachamim say that if a person learns all of his life non stop, he wont finish the whole torah, itll only be a drop in the ocean. And figure that I havent died yet, so Ive hardly learned alot of torah. Ill consult with my rabbi, look up a couple of sefarim and get back to you. This isnt christianity where there is the bible and thats it. It is impossible to remember the whole gemarah, which my answer is probably in. it also might be somewhere in the mishneh torah.
Don't play wordgames with me wiseguy, you were called on something and if you cannot provide a source, I have to assume you and/or your rabbi are making this up.
So how 'bout an LA meeting?
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Here's a good source for him to read in the Talmud Tractate Sotah 49a:
"R' Eliezer the Great says: From the day the Temple was destroyed, the sages began to be like school teachers, school teachers like synagogue attendants, synagogue attendants like common people, and the common people became more and more debased: and there was none to ask, none to inquire. Upon whom is it for us to rely? Upon our father who is in heaven.
In the footsteps of the Messiah insolence will increase and honor dwindle; the vine will yield its fruit but wine will be dear; the government will turn to heresy and there will be none to offer them reproof; the meeting place (of scholars) will be used for immorality; Galilee will be destroyed. Gablan desolated, and the dwellers on the frontier will go about begging from place to place without anyone to take pity on them; the wisdom of the learned will degenerate, fearers of sin will be despised and the truth will be lacking; youths will put old men to shame. The old will stand up in the presence of the young. A son will revile his father. A daughter will rise against her mother. A daughter in law against her mother in law, and a man's enemies will be the members of his household. The face of the generation will be like the face of a dog. A son will not feel ashamed before his father. So upon whom is it for us to rely? Upon our father who is in heaven."
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I dont know any "scripture". I know torah, Gemarah, Neviim, and such. There is more then 5 books to the torah. The Hachamim say that if a person learns all of his life non stop, he wont finish the whole torah, itll only be a drop in the ocean. And figure that I havent died yet, so Ive hardly learned alot of torah. Ill consult with my rabbi, look up a couple of sefarim and get back to you. This isnt christianity where there is the bible and thats it. It is impossible to remember the whole gemarah, which my answer is probably in. it also might be somewhere in the mishneh torah.
Don't play wordgames with me wiseguy, you were called on something and if you cannot provide a source, I have to assume you and/or your rabbi are making this up.
So how 'bout an LA meeting?
Chaimfan:
How 'bout an LA meeting?
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JDL, that looks like an absolutely brilliant source, but could you please explain what it means to this Gentile? ???
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JDL4EVER is actually knowledgeable and bases his opinion on Torah.
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I know that. I just need a translation. (*cough*confessesignorance*cough*) :-[
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I know that Chaimfan. My comment had nothing to do with what you said before and of course guys like me need that explained as well. I was just trying to add thjdl4evers credibility. Thanks again Chaimfan and jdl4ever for your support.
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This is what we waste our time with? This foolishness?
Tzvi is a good Jew who means well. Whether he's "misguided" is a matter of opinion.
I hope everyone can reconcile (via PM's) and we can move past the pettiness and ugliness.
Team Islam is waging a relentless war against us and all we care about is mindless arguing?
This thread is wearing thin. I'll let JDL4ever clarify his Talmudic source and then I'm locking this one up.
Warning: If I see subsequent threads with this kind of bitter infighting they will be locked and or deleted.
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Ben-Alan, at least you are neutral and just said the thread should be locked. I applaud you and respect you for this. You have not taken sides which is fine.
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JDL, that looks like an absolutely brilliant source, but could you please explain what it means to this Gentile? ???
The general message is that after the destruction of the Temple the Scholars dwindled in knowledge and started to decline. In our time the situation is exponentially worse and the learned are no more besides the occasional glimmer of light like R' Meir Kahane Zs'l. Don't let appearances fool you. Rabbis who dress up in fancy garments and appear all knowing are most probably not as they appear especially when their mistakes come to light.
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JDL4EVER, that is a profound statement and I believe that is a fitting end to the argument we have been having with dominator96.