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Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
Mills I think that only in extreme cases ,maybe conversion should be allowed. Even dissuading is not enough, and only the strictest of the strictest Rabbis should be consulted (better the Sefaradi Beit din), definitly not someone who is in the wrong path completly (reform, conservative, etc.) and also not someone who has conversions relativly often (for example Habad).
*- mentioning Habad isn't becuase of the latest talk (about messianism) but that it is known that they are converting more people, and quicker then really allowed. (also some of those people then dropp the mitzvot, etc. and concider their children to be Jewish, where its a BIGGG problem because they are probably not). Sorry to say that their are a number of these "Jewish" children that are born, and their is at least 1 person on this forum who is in that situation, and it is a very serious, and dangerous matter.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on February 15, 2008, 02:25:32 PM ---Mills I think that only in extreme cases ,maybe conversion should be allowed. Even dissuading is not enough, and only the strictest of the strictest Rabbis should be consulted (better the Sefaradi Beit din), definitly not someone who is in the wrong path completly (reform, conservative, etc.) and also not someone who has conversions relativly often (for example Habad).
*- mentioning Habad isn't becuase of the latest talk (about messianism) but that it is known that they are converting more people, and quicker then really allowed. (also some of those people then dropp the mitzvot, etc. and concider their children to be Jewish, where its a BIGGG problem because they are probably not). Sorry to say that their are a number of these "Jewish" children that are born, and their is at least 1 person on this forum who is in that situation, and it is a very serious, and dangerous matter.
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Hey Tzvi,
No offense. But...get your own show. It's easy these days.
There's nothing wrong with Chabad conversions, per se, though I do have a problem with a few Chabad Rabbi's who are too loose, but this is not all of them.
Raulmarrio2000:
Does Chabad do conversions outside Eretz Yisrael? It's not up to me to make an opinion... but one of the problems I would have had, in case I had decided to convert, is that I disagree with the demand that all converts should go to Israel....
And what happens to someone who wants to convert by Chabad, but strongly believes the Rebbe was not the Moshiach? In fact I believe the Rebbe was a great sage, and that he was the leader of the last generation of the Galuth, but I think the Moshiach would come as a surprise, not someone people has already made a guess that he might be.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on February 15, 2008, 12:53:01 AM ---Lubab, I was wondering what you thought of the Yeshivish Lakewood type jews. They are famous for their hatred of Lubavitch as their original Rabbi was very anti Lubavitch. "Rabbi" Kotler was famous for publicly spreading lies about the lubavitcher rebbe. I think that he was vile.
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Well I don't take insults from such people very seriously. Rambam says that if an adult serves G-d because they want to go to Olam Haba they are an "Am Haaretz" (ignoramous). So when an ignoramous insults my group, I don't take it very seriously.
I have personally spoken with many litvaks who freely admitted to me that their observance of the Torah is based on their desire to get into Olam Haba. I would venture to say that most of the students in Lakewood-type yeshivot also feel this way.
As far as Shach, the Rebbe didn't think much of him and neither do I. He was rejected when he applied to be a Rosh Yeshiva for a Chabad yeshiva long before he was very famous because he didn't know Talmud Yerushalmi well enough. I feel he had a personal vendetta against Chabad ever since then which was the source of his vile and nearly always unfounded attacks against the Rebbe and Chabad.
With all that said, they are Jews, and I love each one of them with a full heart, screwed up though they may be.
We should note that not all Litvak Rabbis are or were like this. Rabbi J.B. Soloveitchik had a wonderful relationship with the Rebbe and attended several of his farbrengens and raved about them.
The former Rosh Yeshiva of the Mir (forgot his name) also used to speak glowingly about the Rebbe's Gaonus (genius) in Torah knowledge.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Raulmarrio2000 on February 15, 2008, 03:48:33 PM ---Does Chabad do conversions outside Eretz Yisrael? It's not up to me to make an opinion... but one of the problems I would have had, in case I had decided to convert, is that I disagree with the demand that all converts should go to Israel....
And what happens to someone who wants to convert by Chabad, but strongly believes the Rebbe was not the Moshiach? In fact I believe the Rebbe was a great sage, and that he was the leader of the last generation of the Galuth, but I think the Moshiach would come as a surprise, not someone people has already made a guess that he might be.
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Chabad does do conversions outside of Israel. And I'm pretty sure it would be irrelevant to the process whether they believed the Rebbe is Moshiach. You might however, talk this issue over with the Rabbi you are thinking of converting with.
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