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Merkava:
Dear Rabbi,
2 questions:
1) In all my life I have never dated a Jewish woman. All of my girlfriends have been non-Jewish. Either Christian or athiest. If I pray hard enough to Hashem will he finally send me a Jewish girlfriend? There are very few Jews where I live :-\
Also I have started seeng a girl who I beleive could be muslim. We haven't talked about religion because I keep everything light and funny and I avoid heavy subjects. She is a complete knockout... a 9/10 but she is of Asian decen so the likelyhood of her being a muslim is high.
If she turns out to be a Muslim what should I do? If we get serious will Hashem punish me ?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: ~*Mills*~ on February 16, 2008, 07:50:52 PM ---
--- Quote from: lubab on February 15, 2008, 12:42:26 PM ---
Lesson #1 for your conversion, Mills is that when you become Jewish, you need to listen to what the halacha says and don't try to make it up as you go along (I'm saying this out of caring, I pray you will not be offended). I hope when you become Jewish one day and a non-Jew asks you to teach them to become Jewish that you will follow this halacha and try to dissuade them three times no matter what.
If you want reasons why we should try to dissaude a gentile from converting who even has the best of intentions you may ask that as a separate question on the Ask Lubab show. ;)
--- End quote ---
WOW! :o
Leave the dissuasion to the person's rabbi is all I'm saying.
My rabbi dissuades me 100000 times but it's ok when he does it, or another of my rabbis because it's their job...otherwise they would not be good rabbis in the first place.
Do you think I don't know that gentiles MUST be dissuaded? Why are you talking to me this way? make things up? That's absolutely horrible! :o And "ask that" as a separate question? Thanks for the offer but I alady have a rabbi and don't have to here.
I'm just saying its NOT always going to be the job of random strangers.
My goodness I've been at this for MORE than a year, I think I already know how it works! I'm not a new person who knows nothing about Judaism and halacha!
Thanks a lot though, I'm not going to lie, I kind of felt bad with your "lesson #1" thing, which I felt was uncalled for... since you know nothing about me and how I feel about the Halacha. So I don't think you have to tell me what my "first lesson is" . BTW, I had my "first lesson a LONG time ago. I do feel that was a little TOO MUCH, my friend. And very disrespectful to the point that I cannot describe.
I am just saying that leave that to the person's rabbi and people should not be so nosy is all, for the ways of peace. The person's rabbi will know what to do, let us trust in their judgment. Actually, when I go to events and services random people DON'T dissuade me, they ask me why I am going through gerut..etc and say its interesting "good luck"...but they don't do anything else, since they leave that to my rabbi who dissuades me every time I see him. Hhhmm, and these are orthodox Jews too, I guess they trust their Rabbi enough to let him do his job.
And FYI I DO dissuade people who say they want to "convert" (a fake word) because they want to "marry their boy/girlfriend" etc... but it's different when someone HAS been accepted for gerut by a valid Orthodox Rabbi. IF the Rabbi accepted that gentile, then I KNOW the Rabbi will talk to him/her and dissuade the person/teach etc. So I will leave that to him. Obviously someone who has an invalid reason for gerut will NOT be accepted by a rabbi...so guess what IT ALL WORKS OUT as long as there are good righteous rabbis in the world who do follow halacha.
BUT I certainly do not need to be told this here. Sorry but I did get my feelings hurt a little too much for my liking, even if you say "no offense" I do find it rather offensive since you know nothing about me, and about how I deal with halacha. However, my rabbis know me and others on this forum I talk to here personally (who leave the dissuasion to my rabbi) and they will tell you that there is no one more respectful than me. If you want I can direct you with them and you can ask them yourself.
I still like your show though, keep up the great work.
BTW to those interested... I am NOT doing my gerut with Chabad anymore since...well no offense but I find them kind of rude sometimes. I found another valid and deeply religiously observant Orthodox group which I will not mention the name. I also would not recommend any gentile to go through gerut with Chabad!!! I can privately tell people why if they want to know.
Oddly enough, I had a great man who studied with Chabad point me in the direction I needed to go, I thank him every day.
OH and by the way, Lubab, that man even though an Orthodox Jew did not dissuade me either...instead he asked me for my name and went to the Rebbe's Ohel for me and privately helps me.
Guess he felt it was also not his job. (BUT I am VERY grateful to him too for all his help)
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I did not try to dissuade you here Mills. I was just making a joke that I didn't even realize applied to you.
I apologize for my "Lesson #1" statement. You're right. It was uncalled for.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Merkava on February 15, 2008, 04:40:00 PM ---Dear Rabbi,
2 questions:
1) In all my life I have never dated a Jewish woman. All of my girlfriends have been non-Jewish. Either Christian or athiest. If I pray hard enough to Hashem will he finally send me a Jewish girlfriend? There are very few Jews where I live :-\
Also I have started seeng a girl who I beleive could be muslim. We haven't talked about religion because I keep everything light and funny and I avoid heavy subjects. She is a complete knockout... a 9/10 but she is of Asian decen so the likelyhood of her being a muslim is high.
If she turns out to be a Muslim what should I do? If we get serious will Hashem punish me ?
--- End quote ---
You are Jewish? Then you should pray to G-d to help you find a Jewish girl, but you should also take massive and focused ACTION to lead you to that goal e.g. moving to a neighborhood where there are more Jews, get involved with a synagouge, sign up with a Jewish dating service online etc.
Raulmarrio2000:
Mills, this is not my thread, but I am surprised at the way you act. You say that you trust your Rav, and at the same time you say that you are leaving Chabad just because you are dissapointed by Lubab. You are contradicting yourself.
And your "advice" to Gentiles NOT to covert through Chabad sounds offensive to me. In case I had decided to go ahead with my conversion, I'd had done it through Chabad, and I don't feel the need to ask a Goyshe wanna be-Jew for a better place to convert.
Raulmarrio2000:
Sorry Mills, I thought that your actual Rav was also from Chabad and that you were leaving him, just because you disliked Lubab. Anyway I got upset at the advise to potentials converts, not to turn to Chabad, and the offer to explain the reasons privately. Anyone who reads that post may imagine anything not good about Chabadniks!!!!
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