JTF.ORG Forum
Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: Nolandforshalom on January 08, 2008, 08:27:03 PM
-
first, to the moderators, if you disagree with my post, please let me know instead of banning me. A willingness to debate shows intelligence, while avoidance shows cowardice. O0
Ok, so,
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.
This is supposed to be a Kahanist Forum. Kahanists do not apologize to people of other religions for offending them. We defend the Jewish People, through any means nessicary, regardless if is angers catholics, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists.
I do not dislike Christians, I have many Christian friends. But i know that The Fate of Israel is solely in the Hands of the Jews and HaShem. No one else.
-
I agree with what you wrote.
But I'd like to know what has come up that you posted this. You're welcome to PM me if you like.
-
first, to the moderators, if you disagree with my post, please let me know instead of banning me. A willingness to debate shows intelligence, while avoidance shows cowardice. O0
Ok, so,
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.
This is supposed to be a Kahanist Forum. Kahanists do not apologize to people of other religions for offending them. We defend the Jewish People, through any means nessicary, regardless if is angers catholics, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists.
I do not dislike Christians, I have many Christian friends. But i know that The Fate of Israel is solely in the Hands of the Jews and HaShem. No one else.
you seem very angry! why is that so?
-
Honestly, and I really don't want to get blocked, it was what Chaim said, about not defaming Catholics. Catholics have done soooooo much harm to us, and now a Kahanist leader wants to defend them. I simply cannot agree with that. While i respect Chaim, and his opinion, Jews must come first, by a long shot.
-
first, to the moderators, if you disagree with my post, please let me know instead of banning me. A willingness to debate shows intelligence, while avoidance shows cowardice. O0
Ok, so,
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.
This is supposed to be a Kahanist Forum. Kahanists do not apologize to people of other religions for offending them. We defend the Jewish People, through any means nessicary, regardless if is angers catholics, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists.
I do not dislike Christians, I have many Christian friends. But i know that The Fate of Israel is solely in the Hands of the Jews and HaShem. No one else.
you seem very angry! why is that so?
Because i WILL NOT allow the remaining Kahanists to embark on a suicidal path.
-
I agree with what you said 100%
-
I agree with what you said 100%
Thank you. As HaRav Said, "When you love Jews Enough you will say the painful things you need to save them"
-
Agreed.
-
I agree with what you said 100%
Thank you. As HaRav Said, "When you love Jews Enough you will say the painful things you need to save them"
Youre welcome, though I cant consider myself a Christian, there are quite a few here who are very wonderful and who feel the same as you do.
-
I think there will always be conflicts between any group and any other group, but I think what unifies people of different faiths here are many things, but one major one is that we have a common enemy, radical Islam and even so-called (but not really) moderate Islam, either form of which wishes to destroy both the "Saturday people" and the "Sunday people". A Muslim doesn't care if you're a Jew, a Christian, a Buddhist, an Animist, or whatever. If you're not Muslim, they want to kill you.
Another major reason is that both Jews and Western Christians are generally intelligent people capable of building and maintaining a civilized and generally moral society, while many other groups of people are not.
-
It is important, regardless of how big the forum gets, to remember what Rabbi Kahane taught. We must not spread a message we have forgotten. I fear that in time very few will remember HaRav. We must prevent that.
-
I think there will always be conflicts between any group and any other group, but I think what unifies people of different faiths here are many things, but one major one is that we have a common enemy, radical Islam and even so-called (but not really) moderate Islam, either form of which wishes to destroy both the "Saturday people" and the "Sunday people". A Muslim doesn't care if you're a Jew, a Christian, a Buddhist, an Animist, or whatever. If you're not Muslim, they want to kill you.
Another major reason is that both Jews and white Western Christians are generally intelligent people capable of building and maintaining a civilized and generally moral society, while many other groups of people are not.
While it is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that doesnt mean that he is my friend forever. The Crusades we a Catholic invention, as was the inquisition. We must not forget, nor forgive, the past. We are meant for great things, and this is why the world hates us. We cannot stop the world from hating us, and I trust more in G-d than I ever will in the Vatican, or anyone else for that matter.
-
I am Catholic and do not hate my fellow Jews, I have to think that I fight more for the Jews then I wish some Jews would do for themselves.
-
While it is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that doesnt mean that he is my friend forever. The Crusades we a Catholic invention, as was the inquisition. We must not forget, nor forgive, the past. We are meant for great things, and this is why the world hates us. We cannot stop the world from hating us, and I trust more in G-d than I ever will in the Vatican, or anyone else for that matter.
I believe that most Christians who would join this sort of forum are your true friends. Christians in America in particular are very favorable toward Israel, perhaps not so much in the rest of the world though.
As for the RCC, it labeled plenty of Christians as heretics and murdered them as well. I'm non-denom, so I would have been killed right along with everyone else if those kind of nutcases were in power now.
I don't like the RCC but I know that many Catholics themselves are nice people even if I don't agree with their theology.
I think the reason Chaim said not to bash Catholics is that not all of them are evil, and some are sincere in their support of Israel and those sincere people should be welcomed. I can't, of course, speak for anyone else, but that was the impression I got.
-
It is always good when a Gentile helps the Jews, but there can be no faith placed in this. Opinions change, and we must not be vulnerable because of Gentiles.
-
I don't think faith should ever be placed in other people entirely, faith should only be directed toward God, but in this world I would suggest that you don't turn away those who sincerely want to help.
-
While it is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, that doesnt mean that he is my friend forever. The Crusades we a Catholic invention, as was the inquisition. We must not forget, nor forgive, the past. We are meant for great things, and this is why the world hates us. We cannot stop the world from hating us, and I trust more in G-d than I ever will in the Vatican, or anyone else for that matter.
I believe that most Christians who would join this sort of forum are your true friends. Christians in America in particular are very favorable toward Israel, perhaps not so much in the rest of the world though.
As for the RCC, it labeled plenty of Christians as heretics and murdered them as well. I'm non-denom, so I would have been killed right along with everyone else if those kind of nutcases were in power now.
I don't like the RCC but I know that many Catholics themselves are nice people even if I don't agree with their theology.
I think the reason Chaim said not to bash Catholics is that not all of them are evil, and some are sincere in their support of Israel and those sincere people should be welcomed. I can't, of course, speak for anyone else, but that was the impression I got.
My point is not to unilaterally trust Gentiles because they say they want to help. Only we know we will not betray ourselves, and besides that and G-d, we cannot say for sure who to trust. We cannot for sure say who wants to help, which is why we must place Jewish help first.
-
Nolandforshalom, I think there is a difference between accepting help from good gentiles vs. depending on America over G-d. So if I'm not being clear, Chaim accepts the support of all good people, but he insists that Jews do their part and not act like victims. If Jews stood up for themselves then the views of the RCC would be irrelevant.
-
Chaim is constantly talking about how Jews have betrayed Jews. I don't really want to get into that myself though.
The only one you can trust not to betray you is God.
-
My stance, as was the stance of Rav Kahane, is that the Jews that do care must defend those that do not. I however, respect Chaim's opinion. Chaim, would agree, that not Jews have hurt Jews more than fellow Jews, and regardless, we are commanded to love our fellow Jew, no matter what.
-
You know what would be a good idea, is if you condense your idea into the form of a question and put it on the ask JTF coming up. I think it would be interesting to hear Chaim's answers to the interesting points you're bringing up, because you are making me think quite a bit.
-
I am relatively new to JTF, how do I ask Chaim a question?
-
I am relatively new to JTF, how do I ask Chaim a question?
There's a sticky thread at the top of the general forum, you need to reply to that thread with a relatively short question. You get to ask one question per week. I've been having fun with it and learning things from it myself and I'm fairly new here too.
I think it says something like Ask JTF for January 13
-
Thank you. :)
-
Here is a link to the January 13 Ask JTF thread:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=12617.0
It is found in the General section as is stickied. And on Monday nights there is also an announcement in the General section in sticky format saying that Ask JTF is ready. You then download the audio file and listen to it from your computer.
-
Thank you. :)
You're welcome!
-
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.
??? :o uhhhh...ok...
I think, it's more a matter of other religious people defending Judaism than as you say.
You say Jews have not hurt fellow Jews ??? I think you need to think about that a bit harder...
All in all, I don't think this is the sort of things you should be writing on JTF. Take Care
A Die-Hard Jewish Ally ;)
-
I am well aware of what I SHOULD write on JTF. Jews, regardless, are commanded by G-d to love Jews. I do not trust my Land, MY land, to Gentiles. I, without a doubt, appreciate SINCERE help from Gentiles, but I would prefer Jewish Help.
-
I agee. And not that I want to attack Chaim, but its counter-productive to say some of the things I heard him say over the years in regard to any non-Jews in America and the backing that they would give a Kahanist gov in Israel. We should have confidence in G-d alone, and not on making allies and other things (also non-Jews dont get offended, im not agains't you, but im just saying what Jews should do). In truth we shouldn't even rely on other Jews, rely on G-d alone, but when we say that we need Jews to back us, its really becuase we need them to make Tishuva (returning to G-d's proper path), and by that then we will merit victory, becuase Jews wll be doing the right thing, and thus merit salvation.
-
Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
-
Yes, and he also Requires Jews to stick together. Is it not obvious by reading a Tanakh that we stick together against the Gentiles?
-
Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
-
Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
Here Here.
Well said, jdl4ever.
-
Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
We were almost wiped off the face of the earth.
That's what happened.
-
Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
Something like 10 million Jews died by the Crusades the inquisition and the Holocost, this turned into an orphaned generation with mostly fake Rabbis with no wisdom and most Jews turned secular.
-
Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
Something like 10 million Jews died by the Crusades the inquisition and the Holocost, this turned into an orphaned generation with mostly fake Rabbis with no wisdom and most Jews turned secular.
Most Jews turned secular- becuase 1- some out of wickedness and 2- The wicked forcing others to abandon the Torah and go agains't G-d, sometimes forcefully -ex- Kidnapping Yeminite Jews and putting them in Kibbutz, or Telling their fathers when they came to Israel that if they wont to eat they have to work on Shabb-t (which they reasoned as Pikuah Nefesh- which was allowed but then it destroyed their kids and grand kids- and created unfortunatly criminals out of beauitiful Jewish kids. , Or what the media does, or what the education system did and how Jews (expecially Sefardim) were systematically discriminated agains't and made (forced) to abandon the Torah.
What you keep saying about the Rabbis makes me belive that possibly you are a provacature who wants devision, or just ignorant and bitter becuase of something you heard some time ago and in connection to your family (im sorry), but you have a bad perception and bias.
-
Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
We were almost wiped off the face of the earth.
That's what happened.
It was Kahane himself that said that we have too long worshiped our allies instead of HaShem.
-
Yes, and he also Requires Jews to stick together. Is it not obvious by reading a Tanakh that we stick together against the Gentiles?
So Noland...In the entire history of the Jews no gentiles have ever helped Jews. I haven't read all your posts on this thread, but are you saying that you do not want any help from any gentiles? What about the Serbs and some Danes during world war 2?...what about the founding fathers of America who have been proven to be zionists?....and the countless AMerican servicemen (not Roosevelt or the generals) who were horrified of the Nazi brutality and gave their LIVES DESTROYING the nazis....IF NOT FOR THEM THAN THE NAZIS WOULD BE RULING THE EARTH AT THIS MOMENT..
-
You dont understand. For a gentile to save a Jew for example, is a great thing for him to do, and he will be greatly awarded for it. BUT for a Jew, and for a Jewish movement to rely on allies and actually to think that their salvation comes from someone or something other then G-d isn't a good thing. The level of faith a Jew has to have is to have confidence in G-d. A non-Jew has to seek allies, and make all these other things becuase he is required to Belive in G-d and bless G-d, also not curse G-d or worship other gods (and the rest of the 7 laws of Noah, according to the Torah).
-
Typical Cheredi rhetoric. Let's all sit in our Yeshiva and learn all day. G-d will take care of everything. Sure, keep dreaming. That's not how G-d works, he requires Torah with action.
So what happened then for 2,000 years without a state and without allies?
Something like 10 million Jews died by the Crusades the inquisition and the Holocost, this turned into an orphaned generation with mostly fake Rabbis with no wisdom and most Jews turned secular.
Most Jews turned secular- becuase 1- some out of wickedness and 2- The wicked forcing others to abandon the Torah and go agains't G-d, sometimes forcefully -ex- Kidnapping Yeminite Jews and putting them in Kibbutz, or Telling their fathers when they came to Israel that if they wont to eat they have to work on Shabbat (which they reasoned as Pikuah Nefesh- which was allowed but then it destroyed their kids and grand kids- and created unfortunatly criminals out of beauitiful Jewish kids. , Or what the media does, or what the education system did and how Jews (expecially Sefaradim) were systematically discriminated agains't and made (forced) to abandon the Torah.
What you keep saying about the Rabbis makes me belive that possibly you are a provacature who wants devision, or just ignorant and bitter becuase of something you heard some time ago and in connection to your family (im sorry), but you have a bad perception and bias.
What jdl4ever said was sad but true.
-
Yes, and he also Requires Jews to stick together. Is it not obvious by reading a Tanakh that we stick together against the Gentiles?
So Noland...In the entire history of the Jews no gentiles have ever helped Jews. I haven't read all your posts on this thread, but are you saying that you do not want any help from any gentiles? What about the Serbs and some Danes during world war 2?...what about the founding fathers of America who have been proven to be zionists?....and the countless AMerican servicemen (not Roosevelt or the generals) who were horrified of the Nazi brutality and gave their LIVES DESTROYING the nazis....IF NOT FOR THEM THAN THE NAZIS WOULD BE RULING THE EARTH AT THIS MOMENT..
I absolutely did not say we should refuse all Gentile Help. that would be absurd. I only believe in receiving said help, either in extreme circumstances, such as HaShoah, or from trusted Gentiles.
-
It is forbidden to rely primarily on Gentiles to help us as ancient Israel relied on an alliance with Egypt to save them, but it is not forbidden (and I might add a great thing) to have alliances with righteous Gentiles but relying primarily on ourselves and G-d in the forefront. The proof is that Israel's salvation through the second temple era came through the King of a Gentile Nation and through him Nechamia the Prophet got to Israel and accomplished his mission. But before him and even before Ezra, the simple Jew Zerubabel led the first group of Jews to Israel on his own and G-d gives him the credit of building the Temple "and he [Zerubabel] will bring out the corner stone [of the temple] with shouts of "favor favor on to it"".
-
I don't think Chaim would approve of this
-
I absolutely did not say we should refuse all Gentile Help. that would be absurd. I only believe in receiving said help, either in extreme circumstances, such as HaShoah, or from trusted Gentiles.
Well, that's a crazy ideology.
-
Why? I dont wish to see my people killed. Is anything truly crazy when fighting against the enemy that we are? Islam will not rest, and we must be careful who helps us. I dont want a suicide bomb in the middle of a fund raiser.
-
I don't think Chaim would approve of this
Of what? Is this forum not allowed to have free discussion?
-
So then according to you Nechamia the Prophet was a sinner since he accepted a lot of money, supplies, a document with the seal of the king and a whole brigade of soldiers from a Gentile king to go to Israel.
-
I HAVE NOT ONCE SAID THAT IN THE PAST IT WAS BAD TO ACCEPT GENTILE HELP. I am saying that now, where we have our own country with a major army, It is not nearly as necessary. Please do not put words in my mouth. I am just uneasy about placing faith in Gentiles.
-
I think he means that recieving help is one thing, but asking or pleading is another.
-
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
-
Well Tzvi, Esther the Queen pleaded with Akashverosh the Gentile king to save her people.
-
But ultimately she acted.
-
I never said not to be practical, and I said what I think he meant. Anway its not one issue, or this or that, but its the general mentality that needs to be broken, expecially if Jews want to get ride of the Galut mentality. Jews cant say ooh Bush is coming, maybe he will sove the problems, etc. And most of all certainly not break principles and most importantly Laws (from G-d) and appease others or ask, etc.
-
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
Nolandforshalom; do you consider atheist left-wing Jews as enemies of Israel,
or do you consider these as non-Jewish enemies?
Thanks,
Ambiorix.
BTW : it is good you don't thrust anybody except your own people.
-
exactly. We must leave the Ghetto mentality of waiting for someones help behind, and leave to stand on our own two, strong, Jewish Feet. As HaRav said, "But the Jew is not a cripple. G-d made him with two legs, and the authentic healthy Jew walks on both of them"
-
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
Nolandforshalom; do you consider atheist left-wing Jews as enemies of Israel,
or do you consider these as non-Jewish enemies?
Thanks,
Ambiorix.
BTW : it is good you don't thrust anybody except your own people.
If they are born of a Jewish Mother, than they are Jewish, regardless of what they believe. It is our job to bring them back to the Torah. They are enemies only if they try to harm us, e.x. Shalom Achshav. Regardless, we are to try to bring them to Torah.
-
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
Nolandforshalom; do you consider atheist left-wing Jews as enemies of Israel,
or do you consider these as non-Jewish enemies?
Thanks,
Ambiorix.
BTW : it is good you don't thrust anybody except your own people.
If they are born of a Jewish Mother, than they are Jewish, regardless of what they believe. It is our job to bring them back to the Torah. They are enemies only if they try to harm us, e.x. Shalom Achshav. Regardless, we are to try to bring them to Torah.
What with Jews that are atheists?
I have a Jewish friend here in Belgium who is atheist, who doesn't eat kosher, but who does support Israel 100%.
Should I as a non-Jew tell him he must come back to the Jewish faith ?
-
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
Nolandforshalom; do you consider atheist left-wing Jews as enemies of Israel,
or do you consider these as non-Jewish enemies?
Thanks,
Ambiorix.
BTW : it is good you don't thrust anybody except your own people.
If they are born of a Jewish Mother, than they are Jewish, regardless of what they believe. It is our job to bring them back to the Torah. They are enemies only if they try to harm us, e.x. Shalom Achshav. Regardless, we are to try to bring them to Torah.
What with Jews that are atheists?
I have a Jewish friend here in Belgium who is atheist, who doesn't eat kosher, but who does support Israel 100%.
Should I as a non-Jew tell him he must come back to the Jewish faith ?
You are not obligated directly from the 7 laws, but you can as a Hassid (going beyond the law).
-
Absolutely. It is not an obligation, but a great Mitzvah to bring a lost Jew back to the Path of Torah.
-
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
Nolandforshalom; do you consider atheist left-wing Jews as enemies of Israel,
or do you consider these as non-Jewish enemies?
Thanks,
Ambiorix.
BTW : it is good you don't thrust anybody except your own people.
If they are born of a Jewish Mother, than they are Jewish, regardless of what they believe. It is our job to bring them back to the Torah. They are enemies only if they try to harm us, e.x. Shalom Achshav. Regardless, we are to try to bring them to Torah.
What with Jews that are atheists?
I have a Jewish friend here in Belgium who is atheist, who doesn't eat kosher, but who does support Israel 100%.
Should I as a non-Jew tell him he must come back to the Jewish faith ?
You are not obligated, but you can.
Than I will.
He is a man of 72 years old.
-
has he been an Atheist his whole life?
-
You dont have to even speak to him and convice him with your words, just tell him to go on www.Torahanytime.com - click on Rabbi Mizrahi's lectures and expecially the one titles "Divine Information" - if hes an honest person he will change from that hour onward.
-
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
Nolandforshalom; do you consider atheist left-wing Jews as enemies of Israel,
or do you consider these as non-Jewish enemies?
Thanks,
Ambiorix.
BTW : it is good you don't thrust anybody except your own people.
If they are born of a Jewish Mother, than they are Jewish, regardless of what they believe. It is our job to bring them back to the Torah. They are enemies only if they try to harm us, e.x. Shalom Achshav. Regardless, we are to try to bring them to Torah.
What with Jews that are atheists?
I have a Jewish friend here in Belgium who is atheist, who doesn't eat kosher, but who does support Israel 100%.
Should I as a non-Jew tell him he must come back to the Jewish faith ?
You are not obligated, but you can.
Than I will.
He is a man of 72 years old.
i think it will make him happy to know I am in contact with people like you.
But frankly, I have no idea what to tell him, other than " it's not good you belief in atheism"
Any suggestions?
He beliefs Torah can be misused, in a same way Christian Church misused the Bible , to terrorise the people.
-
The Torah cannot be misused, as it is ultimate truth both at face value and in interpretation.
-
Possibly, but with G-d on our side do we really need any more help? It says in Genesis that there will always be Jews, so we will never loose.
Nolandforshalom; do you consider atheist left-wing Jews as enemies of Israel,
or do you consider these as non-Jewish enemies?
Thanks,
Ambiorix.
BTW : it is good you don't thrust anybody except your own people.
If they are born of a Jewish Mother, than they are Jewish, regardless of what they believe. It is our job to bring them back to the Torah. They are enemies only if they try to harm us, e.x. Shalom Achshav. Regardless, we are to try to bring them to Torah.
What with Jews that are atheists?
I have a Jewish friend here in Belgium who is atheist, who doesn't eat kosher, but who does support Israel 100%.
Should I as a non-Jew tell him he must come back to the Jewish faith ?
You are not obligated, but you can.
Than I will.
He is a man of 72 years old.
i think it will make him happy to know I am in contact with people like you.
But frankly, I have no idea what to tell him, other than " it's not good you belief in atheism"
Any suggestions?
He beliefs Torah can be misused, in a same way Christian Church misused the Bible , to terrorise the people.
Just tell him the link and video I sent before. Tell him to dedicate 72 minutes of his life to the Truth (or even dont say that, just say to watch a video of a Rabbi claiming that Judasim can only be Divine with any questions and the proffs presented. If he takes it good, if not then thats his missed opportunity.
-
a 72 year old man may not be quick to change his ways...
-
The Torah cannot be misused, as it is ultimate truth both at face value and in interpretation.
I wish that was said every day on TV, instead of those satanic TV-commercials!
-
thank you, I agree. We need to have our message out there. :)
-
But Nolandforshalom, if I was Ambiorix, and i read your posts, I would not talk to that Jew and try to get him back on the path. Simply because, Ambiorix is a gentile, and as such, in your view, should not be helping a Jew...besides...that's what Jewsh Rabbi's are there for!
The boat goes both ways...
-
But Nolandforshalom, if I was Ambiorix, and i read your posts, I would not talk to that Jew and try to get him back on the path. Simply because, Ambiorix is a gentile, and as such, in your view, should not be helping a Jew...besides...that's what Jewsh Rabbi's are there for!
The boat goes both ways...
Today , there's a awful lot of non-Jews that would like to see the state of Israel destroyed by the "philistines".
the nazis are back. the ideology is transformed. This time many nations (military capable, not necessarily retarded)
are planning to destroy the Israel & the West.
Lots of Western People regard Bush as a "puppet of Zionism", and blame the al-quaida attacks on the CIA or the Mossad.
The concerns many Europeans have, that our race/culture/religion/lifestyle is on the verge of destruction, is blamed by some on the Jews.
Those Jew-haters are a minority, but nevertheless dangerous.
The more dangerous part of the European population, are the P.C.-hypocrites,
that regard Israel as the last "racist" colony, that needs to be abolished.
This is the anti-racism tyranny of today, that goes hand in hand with the destruction of all nation-states.
So, all help is welcome I think. We share common enemies : the left-wing NWO internal enemy, and the third world enemy.
It is good that Jews and Gentiles help each-other, but Jews need to be fully aware, that trusting even "pro-Israeli" non-Jews is potentially dangerous.
Aren't many of those pro-Israel left-wing Europeans that used to help in the kibbutzim in the 70-ties , today overtly hostile to Israel?
I hope one day the leftist among the Jews will be 2000 times less strong, and that the right-wing Jews will be 20000 times stronger,
than we get rid of the situation the western world is currently in.
And for you who don't know : the anti-racist people, hate the Israeli (not the Jews , they say ??) the most.
They always say Jews are not necesarily Israel-supporters, thus "not all Jews are bad"
>:(
-
But Nolandforshalom, if I was Ambiorix, and i read your posts, I would not talk to that Jew and try to get him back on the path. Simply because, Ambiorix is a gentile, and as such, in your view, should not be helping a Jew...besides...that's what Jewsh Rabbi's are there for!
The boat goes both ways...
Well that is you, being a spiteful person. HaTorah is truth for all humanity, that doesnt mean we need to trust Gentiles before G-d.
-
But Nolandforshalom, if I was Ambiorix, and i read your posts, I would not talk to that Jew and try to get him back on the path. Simply because, Ambiorix is a gentile, and as such, in your view, should not be helping a Jew...besides...that's what Jewsh Rabbi's are there for!
The boat goes both ways...
Well that is you, being a spiteful person. HaTorah is truth for all humanity, that doesnt mean we need to trust Gentiles before G-d.
Spitefull....I was merely implimenting your writings dear friend! If you find it selfish, you find your own ideas selfish ;)
And you are right, G-D must be trusted a LOT more than fellow humans.
-
first, to the moderators, if you disagree with my post, please let me know instead of banning me. A willingness to debate shows intelligence, while avoidance shows cowardice. O0
Ok, so,
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.
This is supposed to be a Kahanist Forum. Kahanists do not apologize to people of other religions for offending them. We defend the Jewish People, through any means nessicary, regardless if is angers catholics, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists.
I do not dislike Christians, I have many Christian friends. But i know that The Fate of Israel is solely in the Hands of the Jews and HaShem. No one else.
Thank you for the Serbs,
that were naively there for Jews, in WWII,
giving almost ONE million of useless Serbian Lives,
fighting against NAZISM, protecting EVEN
the LETHAL to them "albright", which is a Jewess,
INSTEAD of happily form SS divisions,
avoiding THUS being killed, since that WOULDN'T
be remembered by nolandforshalom.
And Life is precious, isn't it ?
Why should have Serbs died
for anybody else, than a Serb ?
GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT AN ALLY IS, nolandforshalom,
you could be called, RIGHT NOW: NOPLACEFORALLIES.
-
first, to the moderators, if you disagree with my post, please let me know instead of banning me. A willingness to debate shows intelligence, while avoidance shows cowardice. O0
Ok, so,
Is this not a Jewish Forum? Why do we always insist on defending those of other religions? Our only true allies our ourselves, fellow Jews, and HaShem. Too often do we forget that the only people that have not hurt us are ourselves.
This is supposed to be a Kahanist Forum. Kahanists do not apologize to people of other religions for offending them. We defend the Jewish People, through any means nessicary, regardless if is angers catholics, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists.
I do not dislike Christians, I have many Christian friends. But i know that The Fate of Israel is solely in the Hands of the Jews and HaShem. No one else.
Thank you for the Serbs,
that were naively there for Jews, in WWII,
giving almost ONE million of useless Serbian Lives,
fighting against NAZISM, protecting EVEN
the LETHAL to them "albright", which is a Jewess,
INSTEAD of happily form SS divisions,
avoiding THUS being killed, since that WOULDN'T
be remembered by nolandforshalom.
And Life is precious, isn't it ?
Why should have Serbs died
for anybody else, than a Serb ?
GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT AN ALLY IS, nolandforshalom,
you could be called, RIGHT NOW: NOPLACEFORALLIES.
Exactly Husar! You are very right, and I don't know what mr.noallies is trying to achieve.
I shall refrain from some facts...but if he continues with this silliness, I shall bring those facts to light, and use it to persuade mr noally
-
Everyone here needs to stop putting words in my mouth. I trust in G-d, not in Gentiles. Gentiles have helped us, but they have killed many more of us that they have helped. My ideas are that if we rely on Gentiles instead of G-d we will die. Do not think you are stronger than G-d. I must wonder why you are so threatened by my ideas that you must gang up on me. This is becoming less and less a Kahanist forum, and more a Zionist Gentile Forum.
-
Everyone here needs to stop putting words in my mouth. I trust in G-d, not in Gentiles. Gentiles have helped us, but they have killed many more of us that they have helped. My ideas are that if we rely on Gentiles instead of G-d we will die. Do not think you are stronger than G-d. I must wonder why you are so threatened by my ideas that you must gang up on me. This is becoming less and less a Kahanist forum, and more a Zionist Gentile Forum.
Your giving the forum bad vibes with all this. The forum is what it is! As a relative newcomer you should go with the flow. If you feel your being ganged up on its because your out on a limb here with your ideas.
-
I agree with CJD, you're sounding like a troll with all this Gentile hatred. Keep it to yourself. I know you don't mean it that way but your method of presentation is horrible.
-
I SAID ONE THING. I didnt start this post. Everyone is bringing it up. I would have dropped it long ago if not for the people here. and it is not right to call me a troll just because you disagree.
-
To prevent public Chillul Hashem I'm allowed to call you far worse names so next time pay more attention to what you write and how you sound.
-
Toda JDL
-
It is always good when a Gentile helps the Jews, but there can be no faith placed in this. Opinions change, and we must not be vulnerable because of Gentiles.
I feel a strong need to apologize for what what Israel is being put through by President Bush and Rice.
From what I have read about President Bush since Annapolis first hit our news. President Bush follows a false doctrine that is called replacement theology. This doctrine is unfortunately strong among different Christian faiths, (not all Christians believe this faulty teaching). I am in no way trying to defend what President Bush is doing, because what he is doing is against God's word and is completely and totally wrong. President Bush would never allow this to happen in America; he is wrong for doing it to Israel, and the Holy city of Jerusalem.
I pray for peace in Israel and Jerusalem especially when I read, watch, and listen to the news, (through out the day). I pray for the attempts to divide Jerusalem fails completely and totally. I believe all the individuals involved with the dividing of Jerusalem should read their Bibles.
Digital Photo
-
Everyone here needs to stop putting words in my mouth. I trust in G-d, not in Gentiles. Gentiles have helped us, but they have killed many more of us that they have helped. My ideas are that if we rely on Gentiles instead of G-d we will die. Do not think you are stronger than G-d. I must wonder why you are so threatened by my ideas that you must gang up on me. This is becoming less and less a Kahanist forum, and more a Zionist Gentile Forum.
That makes sense.
This is after-all a Kahanist forum.
Kahane didn't preach Jews should be self-hating , weak, atheist traitors.
What you say may be shocking, but not to me.
Serbs and Christians can learn from your attitude.