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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: zachor_ve_kavod on February 03, 2009, 02:58:44 AM
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Muslims understand only two things: Power and fear. It is power they seek, they lust for it in every sense. Power is the defining aspect of their relationship with their women and their children. Their need for power is the only motivation in their political life. All of the things that we strive for in the west, (excellence in everything, compassion for those less fortunate, community, beauty, sanctity, justice, wisdom), all of these things are irrelevant to the muslims. They are only relevant insofar as they lead to power. Their writings, their discourse, their history, and their eschatology all reflect their sole purpose: the attainment of power. I am not one of Benjamin Netanyahu's fans, nevertheless he did say something that was right on the money: "They [the arabs] don't respect power, they worship it."
Fear is the other aspect that comprises Islamic identity. It is no coincidence that the muslims fight far less when they have been hit hard. Fear keeps them from striking back (temporarily unfortunately). If Israel really wanted to put an end (at least a temporary end) to the intifadah, it would strike those areas hard. Rabbi Kahane was absolutely right when he said that if he became Prime Minister there would be no intifadah. Had he become Prime Minister, the arabs would have been terrified and paralyzed. While it is true that many of them are not afraid of death, it is only because they have devalued life to the point where death is no big deal. It is the fear of an unjust and perverse deity that keeps the muslims paralyzed, unable to escape from their religion. Not only that, but that same fear keeps them from thinking for themselves, keeps them from self critique, essentially keeps them in the dark.
I cannot think of a worse indictment of Islam than to speak the truth about it. It is a cult of power-hungry cowards.
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Muslims understand only two things: Power and fear. It is power they seek, they lust for it in every sense. Power is the defining aspect of their relationship with their women and their children. Their need for power is the only motivation in their political life. All of the things that we strive for in the west, (excellence in everything, compassion for those less fortunate, community, beauty, sanctity, justice, wisdom), all of these things are irrelevant to the muslims. They are only relevant insofar as they lead to power. Their writings, their discourse, their history, and their eschatology all reflect their sole purpose: the attainment of power. I am not one of Benjamin Netanyahu's fans, nevertheless he did say something that was right on the money: "They [the arabs] don't respect power, they worship it."
Fear is the other aspect that comprises Islamic identity. It is no coincidence that the muslims fight far less when they have been hit hard. Fear keeps them from striking back (temporarily unfortunately). If Israel really wanted to put an end (at least a temporary end) to the intifadah, it would strike those areas hard. Rabbi Kahane was absolutely right when he said that if he became Prime Minister there would be no intifadah. Had he become Prime Minister, the arabs would have been terrified and paralyzed. While it is true that many of them are not afraid of death, it is only because they have devalued life to the point where death is no big deal. It is the fear of an unjust and perverse deity that keeps the muslims paralyzed, unable to escape from their religion. Not only that, but that same fear keeps them from thinking for themselves, keeps them from self critique, essentially keeps them in the dark.
I cannot think of a worse indictment of Islam than to speak the truth about it. It is a cult of power-hungry cowards.
I agree. While I was reading your post, I was repeating the word "coward" in my mind. Then I got to the end of your post where you used the term. :) (Great minds think alike?? :laugh:)
But in all seriousness, I think that is one of the main reasons why the hate being called cowards. Because they know the truth, and the truth hurts.
"a cult of power-hungry cowards" <--An accurate take on islam and muslims.
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Muslims understand only two things: Power and fear. It is power they seek, they lust for it in every sense. Power is the defining aspect of their relationship with their women and their children. Their need for power is the only motivation in their political life. All of the things that we strive for in the west, (excellence in everything, compassion for those less fortunate, community, beauty, sanctity, justice, wisdom), all of these things are irrelevant to the muslims. They are only relevant insofar as they lead to power. Their writings, their discourse, their history, and their eschatology all reflect their sole purpose: the attainment of power. I am not one of Benjamin Netanyahu's fans, nevertheless he did say something that was right on the money: "They [the arabs] don't respect power, they worship it."
Fear is the other aspect that comprises Islamic identity. It is no coincidence that the muslims fight far less when they have been hit hard. Fear keeps them from striking back (temporarily unfortunately). If Israel really wanted to put an end (at least a temporary end) to the intifadah, it would strike those areas hard. Rabbi Kahane was absolutely right when he said that if he became Prime Minister there would be no intifadah. Had he become Prime Minister, the arabs would have been terrified and paralyzed. While it is true that many of them are not afraid of death, it is only because they have devalued life to the point where death is no big deal. It is the fear of an unjust and perverse deity that keeps the muslims paralyzed, unable to escape from their religion. Not only that, but that same fear keeps them from thinking for themselves, keeps them from self critique, essentially keeps them in the dark.
I cannot think of a worse indictment of Islam than to speak the truth about it. It is a cult of power-hungry cowards.
I agree. While I was reading your post, I was repeating the word "coward" in my mind. Then I got to the end of your post where you used the term. :) (Great minds think alike?? :laugh:)
But in all seriousness, I think that is one of the main reasons why the hate being called cowards. Because they know the truth, and the truth hurts.
"a cult of power-hungry cowards" <--An accurate take on islam and muslims.
A few months ago, I was on the fifth floor of the library, in a secluded corner looking for some book. I happened to notice a couple of young girls (18 or 19 I'm guessing) wearing hijabs. I continued to look for my book when all of a sudden this muslim arab kid comes up to the two girls, and proceeded to have what can only be described as a tantrum. It was astonishing.
He was screaming at both of them in arabic (I don't speak much arabic, so I didn't get what he was saying). But he was just SCREAMING at them, right in the library. He threw his books on the floor and stomped his feet and pulled his hair. I wish I were making this up. He was a little pip-squeak of an arab too. But he cowed those two girls. They were looking at the floor. I wish I could have understood what this was about. All I could tell is that he was bullying these two girls. That is what muslims do. They pick on those they perceive to be weaker than them. Even though those girls were muslim, I felt bad for them. If I had gone up to him and told him to shut up, he probably would have wet himself.
Power and fear. That is the muslim universe.
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Hi! As you can see in my username, I'm Muslim ;D
Anyways this site really hates Muslims.
Well, this whole post is BS. Power and Fear? Dude, Muslims do not need power. Maybe you're looking back into history and talking about the Muslims who gained a lot of power back then. That was the norm of that time, every Empire wanted to gain more land and power. The British Empire, Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire, etc. All Muslims care about in this temporary life is balancing for both this life and the next.(which is eternal) I'm not going to say that some Muslims would love to have power but that's just a minority. Power will not benefit a Muslim any how in the next life.
As for fear, Muslims do not and should not fear anything/one but their Lord. We love Allah so much that we fear Him, which forces us to listen to him. If someone refuses to obey Allah, they will fear going to Hell. Fearing anything else is just hypocrisy in Islam. No one should be afraid of death because it's something inescapable, we fear what comes after death.
Have a Good Day!
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim." - Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74
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Hi! As you can see in my username, I'm Muslim ;D
Anyways this site really hates Muslims.
Well, this whole post is BS. Power and Fear? Dude, Muslims do not need power. Maybe you're looking back into history and talking about the Muslims who gained a lot of power back then. That was the norm of that time, every Empire wanted to gain more land and power. The British Empire, Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire, etc. All Muslims care about in this temporary life is balancing for both this life and the next.(which is eternal) I'm not going to say that some Muslims would love to have power but that's just a minority. Power will not benefit a Muslim any how in the next life.
As for fear, Muslims do not and should not fear anything/one but their Lord. We love Allah so much that we fear Him, which forces us to listen to him. If someone refuses to obey Allah, they will fear going to Hell. Fearing anything else is just hypocrisy in Islam. No one should be afraid of death because it's something inescapable, we fear what comes after death.
Have a Good Day!
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim." - Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74
Muslim,
You must condemn your brothers and sisters in Al Queda and Hizbollah and Hamas... These are blood thirsty terrorists who kill for glory. They claim they are doing it in the name of Allah. Have you read your Koran? What do you think of Mohammud {pee be on him}? He was a kook and somehow they made a religion about him. Islam is derivative of Judaism and inferior in every aspect. I am sorry that you have grown up believing that Islam is the true word... It is very deviant...
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Muslim,
If you ever do come back to JTF I have another question for you.
What does your Allah ask from you? What is your mission here in this world? Is it that different than the mission of a religious Jew, like myself? We are here to bring Hashems light into the world. We are here to bring blessing into the world, to show the world the awesomeness of the Almighty. It seems to me the mission of the religion if Islam is to bring darkness into the world. Your religion has been killing and forcing conversions and subjugating women since it was invented by the false prophet. Why do you even want to associate with a religion like this. I assume you were born into it.
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Hi! As you can see in my username, I'm Muslim ;D
Anyways this site really hates Muslims.
Well, this whole post is BS. Power and Fear? Dude, Muslims do not need power. Maybe you're looking back into history and talking about the Muslims who gained a lot of power back then. That was the norm of that time, every Empire wanted to gain more land and power. The British Empire, Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire, etc. All Muslims care about in this temporary life is balancing for both this life and the next.(which is eternal) I'm not going to say that some Muslims would love to have power but that's just a minority. Power will not benefit a Muslim any how in the next life.
As for fear, Muslims do not and should not fear anything/one but their Lord. We love Allah so much that we fear Him, which forces us to listen to him. If someone refuses to obey Allah, they will fear going to Hell. Fearing anything else is just hypocrisy in Islam. No one should be afraid of death because it's something inescapable, we fear what comes after death.
Have a Good Day!
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim." - Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74
Muslim,
You must condemn your brothers and sisters in Al Queda and Hizbollah and Hamas... These are blood thirsty terrorists who kill for glory. They claim they are doing it in the name of Allah. Have you read your Koran? What do you think of Mohammud {pee be on him}? He was a kook and somehow they made a religion about him. Islam is derivative of Judaism and inferior in every aspect. I am sorry that you have grown up believing that Islam is the true word... It is very deviant...
I really do condemn them. They are fake wannabe Mujaheddins. Some of their actions is prohibited in Islam yet they do it. For example, the mircaz harav massacre where Hamas walked into a school and opened fire on children. They think they did good by killing Jews who were innocent and were children. Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly. Especially children who are considered Muslims until they hit puberty. Those children will be granted paradise and the Hamas militants will be accounted for by their Lord. Of course I have read the Qur'an, the most beautiful book I've laid eyes on. I have not offended you so why do you offend me? You saying pee be upon him only hurts you in the end. I think Muhammad was the greatest man who ever lived. He never harmed anything or anyone unless it was going against his message and Allah. He did not even hurt the people that threw rocks at him or attacked him. Islam was to confirm what came before it and to warn the people again. (they started to worship Idols again) The Qur'an was sent down for that same reason, their would be no need for the Qur'an if the holy scriptures before it were not changed. All for money too, how sad.
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
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Three and half years have arrived from 6/21/2009. :o ;D :laugh:
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Hi! As you can see in my username, I'm Muslim ;D
Anyways this site really hates Muslims.
Well, this whole post is BS. Power and Fear? Dude, Muslims do not need power. Maybe you're looking back into history and talking about the Muslims who gained a lot of power back then. That was the norm of that time, every Empire wanted to gain more land and power. The British Empire, Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire, etc. All Muslims care about in this temporary life is balancing for both this life and the next.(which is eternal) I'm not going to say that some Muslims would love to have power but that's just a minority. Power will not benefit a Muslim any how in the next life.
As for fear, Muslims do not and should not fear anything/one but their Lord. We love Allah so much that we fear Him, which forces us to listen to him. If someone refuses to obey Allah, they will fear going to Hell. Fearing anything else is just hypocrisy in Islam. No one should be afraid of death because it's something inescapable, we fear what comes after death.
Have a Good Day!
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim." - Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74
Hi, we have some problems with your Islam for ie:
(from the Hadiths)
Bukhari: V5B59N727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
Bukhari: V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”
Bukhari: V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
Bukhari: V2B24N555 “I heard the Prophet say, ‘Allah hates for you for asking too many questions.’”
Bukhari: V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”
Ishaq: 324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Muslim: C40B20N4676 “Jihad Is Compulsory.”
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
See, your 'religion' is not very nice, it is nasty and hateful, and basically, your 'g'od SUCKS.
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Muslim,
If you ever do come back to JTF I have another question for you.
What does your Allah ask from you? What is your mission here in this world? Is it that different than the mission of a religious Jew, like myself? We are here to bring Hashems light into the world. We are here to bring blessing into the world, to show the world the awesomeness of the Almighty. It seems to me the mission of the religion if Islam is to bring darkness into the world. Your religion has been killing and forcing conversions and subjugating women since it was invented by the false prophet. Why do you even want to associate with a religion like this. I assume you were born into it.
I've made an account on JTF out of curiosity. As I've seen the Jews on here hate Islam then whine about how SOME Muslims hate Jews. I'm willing to make peace with other religions if others are willing. Allah does not need us, we need him. Allah asks five important things: to believe in Allah and his messenger, to preform prayer, to fast, give charity, and to preform the pilgrimage. Our mission in this world is to be a servant with whom Allah is pleased. As the Qur'an says we seek the good in this life and the next. We realize that our destination is more important than our fleeting journey or sojourn. Every religion has it's good and bad people. You have no proof what so every that Muhamamd(peace be upon him) was a false prophet. I can write you a whole essay proving he is the truth. You need to take time and see how much Islam has brought to his world. I advise you to do some research about the pre-Islamic era and the post-Islamic era. Then you will see the big change and what Islam did for this world. All religions come from the same source of light just through different holes. I was born into this religion and I had to teach myself. My parents taught me little about the religion so I've some to love Islam on my own.
"For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind....."--Surah 5 Verse 32
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You need to take time and see how much Islam has brought to his world. I advise you to do some research about the pre-Islamic era and the post-Islamic era. Then you will see the big change and what Islam did for this world.
Please, enlighten me regarding all that Islam has brought to the world.
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Well, Muslim, I find it very interesting that you claim Muhammad was a peaceful man.
Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)
Hmm, it seems to me that your religion is so insecure with itself that it insists everybody convert or they will kill them.
But enough about little quotes that you may claim are out of context, we should look more deeply into Islamic opinion on the matter.
If Muhammad does not believe in killin innocents, how do you explain the siege of Ta'If in 630, as recorded in Sirah Rasul Allah. In this situation, even though there was innocents and even Muslims in the city, Muhammad decided to use catapults, and killed many innocent and fellow Muslims in the process.
Furthermore, Al-Shafi'i stated that "The Prophet launched a raid against the tribe of al-Mustalaq and they fought back. So he commmanded that they set fire to their fortifications all night long with the WIDESPREAD KNOWLEDGE THAT WOMEN AND CHILDREN WERE IN THERE". (Emphasis is mine)
So Muslim, you either have never read your "holy" books or are lying through your teeth.
Or maybe you are like a Reform Jew version of a Muslim, who just makes his own interpretations regardless of the truth.
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Hi! As you can see in my username, I'm Muslim ;D
Anyways this site really hates Muslims.
Well, this whole post is BS. Power and Fear? Dude, Muslims do not need power. Maybe you're looking back into history and talking about the Muslims who gained a lot of power back then. That was the norm of that time, every Empire wanted to gain more land and power. The British Empire, Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire, etc. All Muslims care about in this temporary life is balancing for both this life and the next.(which is eternal) I'm not going to say that some Muslims would love to have power but that's just a minority. Power will not benefit a Muslim any how in the next life.
As for fear, Muslims do not and should not fear anything/one but their Lord. We love Allah so much that we fear Him, which forces us to listen to him. If someone refuses to obey Allah, they will fear going to Hell. Fearing anything else is just hypocrisy in Islam. No one should be afraid of death because it's something inescapable, we fear what comes after death.
Have a Good Day!
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim." - Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74
Hi, we have some problems with your Islam for ie:
(from the Hadiths)
Bukhari: V5B59N727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
Bukhari: V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”
Bukhari: V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
Bukhari: V2B24N555 “I heard the Prophet say, ‘Allah hates for you for asking too many questions.’”
Bukhari: V1B1N6 “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”
Ishaq: 324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Muslim: C40B20N4676 “Jihad Is Compulsory.”
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
See, your 'religion' is not very nice, it is nasty and hateful, and basically, your 'g'od SUCKS.
I see you're the type that copies and pastes from Anti-Islamic sites. Please don't be lazy and do your own research. Through experience explaining this hadith will not change your mind plus there's too much to explain. Let me say this Jihad means struggle and there's many levels to it. I'm doing Jihad everyday just living in the west. Also, the prophet never killed anyone except those who were against his message and Allah. You could have attacked the prophet and he wouldn't have killed you. Lastly, look at the time period before you speak please!
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You need to take time and see how much Islam has brought to his world. I advise you to do some research about the pre-Islamic era and the post-Islamic era. Then you will see the big change and what Islam did for this world.
Please, enlighten me regarding all that Islam has brought to the world.
Please watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvXE2pTjng&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvXE2pTjng&feature=channel_page)
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Muslim, I am going to tell you the truth of the matter and I am sure it is not what you want to hear.
You are completely brainwashed therefore you lack the ability to understand the whole truth about the death and destruction cult you were born into.
The lies of islam were fed to you from the cradle therefore you know not the truth and will never be able to think for yourself,
you think only for islam and willingly, and without question follow it blindly.
If someone tells you the sky is blue, you are programmed to say the sky is green.
You can argue on behalf of islam till the cows come home, but you are unaware of one very
important fact and that is : We know the truth about islam and you are wasting your time trying to
convince us islam is peaceful.
DEATH TO ISLAM !
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And Muslim, that quote you have as your Sig, is stolen from Judaism part and parcel, much like a lot of so-called "Muslim teachings"
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One word, INTOLERANCE.....................
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I agree with you. :)
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As always, the Muslim runs away from a debate.
It's funny that these people claim to be so right, but will not even debate those who disagree with them.
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בס"ד
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So Muslim, you either have never read your "holy" books or are lying through your teeth.
Or maybe you are like a Reform Jew version of a Muslim, who just makes his own interpretations regardless of the truth.
"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."[2:191-192]
*Think logically, this makes sense.
*Surah 2:216 & Surah 8:39 the word fight does not always mean physical. Ever thought of that??
*The prophet was always warned about the hostile intentions of each person. He was always told by Angel Gabriel and so to prevent it he decided to take action against them. It is only permissible to accidentally kill innocent. It's the intention that matters and Allah is the All-Knowing.
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
*Bani Al-Mustalaq, Ghazwah, was the time when the prophet narrated the hadith about killing women and children.
*Lying? Have I said anything that isn't true. You think you know Islam but sadly you don't. Let me give you advise, if you want to learn Islam, DON'T LEARN FROM AN ANTI-ISLAMIC SITE!!(Like this one)
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Islam is Nazism!
Learn and remember that FACT muslim.
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Sir,
Why are you here on this forum if it is as you stated below that I quote,
*Lying? Have I said anything that isn't true. You think you know Islam but sadly you don't. Let me give you advise, if you want to learn Islam, DON'T LEARN FROM AN ANTI-ISLAMIC SITE!!(Like this one)
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Why bother being here??????????????
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So Muslim, you either have never read your "holy" books or are lying through your teeth.
Or maybe you are like a Reform Jew version of a Muslim, who just makes his own interpretations regardless of the truth.
"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."[2:191-192]
*Think logically, this makes sense.
*Surah 2:216 & Surah 8:39 the word fight does not always mean physical. Ever thought of that??
*The prophet was always warned about the hostile intentions of each person. He was always told by Angel Gabriel and so to prevent it he decided to take action against them. It is only permissible to accidentally kill innocent. It's the intention that matters and Allah is the All-Knowing.
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
*Bani Al-Mustalaq, Ghazwah, was the time when the prophet narrated the hadith about killing women and children.
*Lying? Have I said anything that isn't true. You think you know Islam but sadly you don't. Let me give you advise, if you want to learn Islam, DON'T LEARN FROM AN ANTI-ISLAMIC SITE!!(Like this one)
How am I wrong in any way? You just completely agreed with me!!! You admitted that Muhammad said it is permissible to kill innocents as long as the target is the infidel. THat is exactly what I said.
So if you believe that is true, how come just two posts ago you said Muhammad never supports it? It looks to me like you were lying, and now that you were exposed, you are conceding to some of the truths.
You exact quote was :" Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly", yet now you are admitting, that under certain conditionsm, he does permit it, which means that when you originally stated that fact, you were knowingly lying, breaking one of the Ten Commandments, which shows me that Muslims do truly live by Muhammad's maxim "War is Deceit", and disregard the commandments.
And why are you just repeating back to me what I told you. I am aware of bani-mustalaq, I was waiting for you to justify it, not just tell me "Oh, yes it happened". What is your justification for that in light of your earlier claim that "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly"?
And I am a Chozer B'Teshuva, and I knew many Muslims when I was younger. I have even visited Pakistan, Iran, and Central Asia, so don't tell me that I learned Islam from a website. I learned Islam not only from my former friends, but also from imams, with whom I use to have long conversations about religion when I was in the process of searching for myself.
I can tell you that these Imams, if anything, preached just as violently as those in the Middle East, and this is to a kid who they knew was born Jewish.
So, as I said earlier, what do you have to say about your earlier quote that you are now backtracking on. Are you admitting you were wrong when you said "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly"?
Lastly, if you truly believed it was the Word of G-d, you would not try to water it down to modern WEstern values, as you would be sure that G-d knows more than any modern WEstern liberals.
For example, Jews are more than allowed to kill women in children in a milchemet mitzvah, and I have no problem admitting that, because I know it it is the word of G-d. With all your backtracking and convoluted explanations, it does not seem that you are as sure about your book.
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republicandox, how could I be brainwashed when most of my knowledge on Islam is from my own research?
Everyone NEEDS to realize that a minority of the Muslims are crazy. Where is the vast majority? Take time and look around and not the Zionist controlled media. lol, I'm not here to convince you anything. Is their a rule on this site that only Jews can join? I'm here to share my opinion and wouldn't give a rats ass what you think about Islam. Sorry, Islam will be victorious! Generalizations are false, it's just like me saying Jews love money, they are greedy, they have long noses.
"Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion" Chapter 109 Verse 6
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republicandox, how could I be brainwashed when most of my knowledge on Islam is from my own research?
Everyone NEEDS to realize that a minority of the Muslims are crazy. Where is the vast majority? Take time and look around and not the Zionist controlled media. lol, I'm not here to convince you anything. Is their a rule on this site that only Jews can join? I'm here to share my opinion and wouldn't give a rats donkey what you think about Islam. Sorry, Islam will be victorious! Generalizations are false, it's just like me saying Jews love money, they are greedy, they have long noses.
"Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion" Chapter 109 Verse 6
No it's not like saying that at all, because the criticisms made of Muslims are based off the Qu'Ran. It would be more like if you said "Jews want all of ISrael, they want to expel the inhabitants and impose Jewish law on all inhabitants". All those "criticisms" would be analogous to our criticism of Muhammad, as those criticisms are based off Torah.
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Why bother being here??????????????
I'm not here to learn about Islam. This is the last place I'd be. I'm here to let my opinion be heard and to show you that the Muslims you se on TV are not what every Muslim is like. Are Muslims not allowed to join this forum?
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Why bother being here??????????????
I'm not here to learn about Islam. This is the last place I'd be. I'm here to let my opinion be heard and to show you that the Muslims you re on TV are not what every Muslim is like. Are Muslims not allowed to join this forum?
I am not saying that you can not join and/or be a member here at JTF but, you, yourself acknowledged that this forum is anti-Islam, so, why bother, when you, yourself, acknowledge that the majority of the members here hold anti-Islamic sentiments?
One Muslim such as yourself is not going to change member's perceptions of Islam as a whole; especially when there are members on this forum who have been personally adversely affected by Islam.
I am a victim of a suicide bomber, and another member here has lost family in the 9/11 attacks.
It's easy to say you are a good Muslim but, the negatives far outweigh the positives of Islam.
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So Muslim, you either have never read your "holy" books or are lying through your teeth.
Or maybe you are like a Reform Jew version of a Muslim, who just makes his own interpretations regardless of the truth.
"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."[2:191-192]
*Think logically, this makes sense.
*Surah 2:216 & Surah 8:39 the word fight does not always mean physical. Ever thought of that??
*The prophet was always warned about the hostile intentions of each person. He was always told by Angel Gabriel and so to prevent it he decided to take action against them. It is only permissible to accidentally kill innocent. It's the intention that matters and Allah is the All-Knowing.
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
*Bani Al-Mustalaq, Ghazwah, was the time when the prophet narrated the hadith about killing women and children.
*Lying? Have I said anything that isn't true. You think you know Islam but sadly you don't. Let me give you advise, if you want to learn Islam, DON'T LEARN FROM AN ANTI-ISLAMIC SITE!!(Like this one)
How am I wrong in any way? You just completely agreed with me!!! You admitted that Muhammad said it is permissible to kill innocents as long as the target is the infidel. THat is exactly what I said.
So if you believe that is true, how come just two posts ago you said Muhammad never supports it? It looks to me like you were lying, and now that you were exposed, you are conceding to some of the truths.
You exact quote was :" Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly", yet now you are admitting, that under certain conditionsm, he does permit it, which means that when you originally stated that fact, you were knowingly lying, breaking one of the Ten Commandments, which shows me that Muslims do truly live by Muhammad's maxim "War is Deceit", and disregard the commandments.
And why are you just repeating back to me what I told you. I am aware of bani-mustalaq, I was waiting for you to justify it, not just tell me "Oh, yes it happened". What is your justification for that in light of your earlier claim that "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly"?
And I am a Chozer B'Teshuva, and I knew many Muslims when I was younger. I have even visited Pakistan, Iran, and Central Asia, so don't tell me that I learned Islam from a website. I learned Islam not only from my former friends, but also from imams, with whom I use to have long conversations about religion when I was in the process of searching for myself.
I can tell you that these Imams, if anything, preached just as violently as those in the Middle East, and this is to a kid who they knew was born Jewish.
So, as I said earlier, what do you have to say about your earlier quote that you are now backtracking on. Are you admitting you were wrong when you said "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly"?
Lastly, if you truly believed it was the Word of G-d, you would not try to water it down to modern WEstern values, as you would be sure that G-d knows more than any modern WEstern liberals.
For example, Jews are more than allowed to kill women in children in a milchemet mitzvah, and I have no problem admitting that, because I know it it is the word of G-d. With all your backtracking and convoluted explanations, it does not seem that you are as sure about your book.
Great, your the type that likes to put words into other people's mouths. No where did I say it's permissible to kill as long as they are an infidel. No matter who the person is they are were still created by Allah and through time that person could revert. Allah's words are more powerful than Muhamamd. We must obey Allah then his messenger. Allah said:
"For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind....."
[Surah 5 Verse 32]
And Muhammad said something a like and gave an exception that it is only permissible if you'd raid a city and ACCIDENTALLY kill innocent. In Islam we believe that everyone is born Muslim and then when they hit puberty they turn directions. It would be preposterous to order the killing of children because they are innocent and they'd go straight to heaven no matter what religious background. It's not lying, Muhammad prohibited the killing of innocent and then gave exceptions. Get it?
It is forbidden to kill any innocent person on purpose just like how Hamas and Al Qaeda do. UNLESS it is permissible under some circumstances:
Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged – truly God has the power to come to their support – those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, "Our Lord is God"… (Qur’an, 22:39-40)
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle." [V004, B052, Hadith Number 256]
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So Muslim, you either have never read your "holy" books or are lying through your teeth.
Or maybe you are like a Reform Jew version of a Muslim, who just makes his own interpretations regardless of the truth.
"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."[2:191-192]
*Think logically, this makes sense.
*Surah 2:216 & Surah 8:39 the word fight does not always mean physical. Ever thought of that??
*The prophet was always warned about the hostile intentions of each person. He was always told by Angel Gabriel and so to prevent it he decided to take action against them. It is only permissible to accidentally kill innocent. It's the intention that matters and Allah is the All-Knowing.
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
*Bani Al-Mustalaq, Ghazwah, was the time when the prophet narrated the hadith about killing women and children.
*Lying? Have I said anything that isn't true. You think you know Islam but sadly you don't. Let me give you advise, if you want to learn Islam, DON'T LEARN FROM AN ANTI-ISLAMIC SITE!!(Like this one)
How am I wrong in any way? You just completely agreed with me!!! You admitted that Muhammad said it is permissible to kill innocents as long as the target is the infidel. THat is exactly what I said.
So if you believe that is true, how come just two posts ago you said Muhammad never supports it? It looks to me like you were lying, and now that you were exposed, you are conceding to some of the truths.
You exact quote was :" Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly", yet now you are admitting, that under certain conditionsm, he does permit it, which means that when you originally stated that fact, you were knowingly lying, breaking one of the Ten Commandments, which shows me that Muslims do truly live by Muhammad's maxim "War is Deceit", and disregard the commandments.
And why are you just repeating back to me what I told you. I am aware of bani-mustalaq, I was waiting for you to justify it, not just tell me "Oh, yes it happened". What is your justification for that in light of your earlier claim that "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly"?
And I am a Chozer B'Teshuva, and I knew many Muslims when I was younger. I have even visited Pakistan, Iran, and Central Asia, so don't tell me that I learned Islam from a website. I learned Islam not only from my former friends, but also from imams, with whom I use to have long conversations about religion when I was in the process of searching for myself.
I can tell you that these Imams, if anything, preached just as violently as those in the Middle East, and this is to a kid who they knew was born Jewish.
So, as I said earlier, what do you have to say about your earlier quote that you are now backtracking on. Are you admitting you were wrong when you said "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly"?
Lastly, if you truly believed it was the Word of G-d, you would not try to water it down to modern WEstern values, as you would be sure that G-d knows more than any modern WEstern liberals.
For example, Jews are more than allowed to kill women in children in a milchemet mitzvah, and I have no problem admitting that, because I know it it is the word of G-d. With all your backtracking and convoluted explanations, it does not seem that you are as sure about your book.
Great, your the type that likes to put words into other people's mouths. No where did I say it's permissible to kill as long as they are an infidel. No matter who the person is they are were still created by Allah and through time that person could revert. Allah's words are more powerful than Muhamamd. We must obey Allah then his messenger. Allah said:
"For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind....."
[Surah 5 Verse 32]
And Muhammad said something a like and gave an exception that it is only permissible if you'd raid a city and ACCIDENTALLY kill innocent. In Islam we believe that everyone is born Muslim and then when they hit puberty they turn directions. It would be preposterous to order the killing of children because they are innocent and they'd go straight to heaven no matter what religious background. It's not lying, Muhammad prohibited the killing of innocent and then gave exceptions. Get it?
It is forbidden to kill any innocent person on purpose just like how Hamas and Al Qaeda do. UNLESS it is permissible under some circumstances:
Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged – truly G-d has the power to come to their support – those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, "Our Lord is G-d"… (Qur’an, 22:39-40)
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle." [V004, B052, Hadith Number 256]
You're a troll. Nuff said.
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Why bother being here??????????????
I'm not here to learn about Islam. This is the last place I'd be. I'm here to let my opinion be heard and to show you that the Muslims you re on TV are not what every Muslim is like. Are Muslims not allowed to join this forum?
I am not saying that you can not join and/or be a member here at JTF but, you, yourself acknowledged that this forum is anti-Islam, so, why bother, when you, yourself, acknowledge that the majority of the members here hold anti-Islamic sentiments?
One Muslim such as yourself is not going to change member's perceptions of Islam as a whole; especially when there are members on this forum who have been personally adversely affected by Islam.
I am a victim of a suicide bomber, and another member here has lost family in the 9/11 attacks.
It's easy to say you are a good Muslim but, the negatives far outweigh the positives of Islam.
You are referring to me, my brother died on 9/11 in the WTC tower #1... He worked on the 105th floor... I will never forgive Al Queda and everything it represents. I require all Muslims who personally know me to condemn those who perpetrate evil against the innocents.
Judaism is the way of Hashem, the Master of the Universe. Torah is the true word and Islam, which came around 1000s of years after Judaism perverted the words of Moshe, and of the prophets. Islam is evil in my eye and although I don't want all worshippers to die, I wish they would wake up to the error of their ways.
I am Baal Teshuva and study Torah at least three hours a day. I do not study Koran and would use it to wipe my behind if I had one...
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Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle." [V004, B052, Hadith Number 256]
That is the hadith you just quoted, and it says plainly that you can kill innocents in this hadith. You can call it an "accident" all you like, but from what I gather, your first language is English, so you know that it truthfully could not be considered "accidental" by any stretch of the imagination.
It is not an accident when you go into a dark town and start swinging your sword wildly and happen to kill children. In English, this would never fit the definition of "accident", but would in fact meet the defiintion of "negligence".
Furthermore, when they used catapults in the siege of Ta'If, you call any of those death fo children "accidental". That doesn't pass the most rudimentary test of logic. When one chooses to use a catapult on a city, the deaths incurred are not "accidental". According to Islam, with the exception of the Maliki school, all you have to do to justify this action is state that your intended target was the infidel.
How is what Hamas does any different than Ta'If? There are soildiers in Israel, and Hamas sends the rockets into Israel, killing innocents. THere were soldiers in Ta'If, and Muhammad bombarded them with catapults.
Now I will ask you again, when you originally stated: "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly", were you lying, or just made a mistake when typing a response quickly? Please answer my question, I don't feel like asking it over and over.
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republicandox, how could I be brainwashed when most of my knowledge on Islam is from my own research?
Everyone NEEDS to realize that a minority of the Muslims are crazy. Where is the vast majority? Take time and look around and not the Zionist controlled media. lol, I'm not here to convince you anything. Is their a rule on this site that only Jews can join? I'm here to share my opinion and wouldn't give a rats donkey what you think about Islam. Sorry, Islam will be victorious! Generalizations are false, it's just like me saying Jews love money, they are greedy, they have long noses.
"Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion" Chapter 109 Verse 6
Zionist controlled media sony Japan,nbc general Electric nbc msnbc cnbc.News corp ruppert murdoch Australian of Scotish descent
http://www.thinkandask.com/news/mediagiants.html
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When Moshiach comes all of Islam will be destroyed, utterly and completly, by Hashem.. He will crush them, and remove all their evil from the world. Those who are wise enough to make repentence before the end of days will be saved, all those who cling to falsehood will perish. I do wish to see this destruction of Islam, it will be sweet.
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You need to take time and see how much Islam has brought to his world. I advise you to do some research about the pre-Islamic era and the post-Islamic era. Then you will see the big change and what Islam did for this world.
Please, enlighten me regarding all that Islam has brought to the world.
Please watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvXE2pTjng&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvXE2pTjng&feature=channel_page)
Those are ALL from the HADITH Muslim. Taqqiya does NOT work with me
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Hi! As you can see in my username, I'm Muslim ;D
Anyways this site really hates Muslims.
Well, this whole post is BS. Power and Fear? Dude, Muslims do not need power. Maybe you're looking back into history and talking about the Muslims who gained a lot of power back then. That was the norm of that time, every Empire wanted to gain more land and power. The British Empire, Ottoman Empire, the Roman Empire, etc. All Muslims care about in this temporary life is balancing for both this life and the next.(which is eternal) I'm not going to say that some Muslims would love to have power but that's just a minority. Power will not benefit a Muslim any how in the next life.
As for fear, Muslims do not and should not fear anything/one but their Lord. We love Allah so much that we fear Him, which forces us to listen to him. If someone refuses to obey Allah, they will fear going to Hell. Fearing anything else is just hypocrisy in Islam. No one should be afraid of death because it's something inescapable, we fear what comes after death.
Have a Good Day!
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The seeking of knowledge is obligatory for every Muslim." - Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 74
Muslim,
You must condemn your brothers and sisters in Al Queda and Hizbollah and Hamas... These are blood thirsty terrorists who kill for glory. They claim they are doing it in the name of Allah. Have you read your Koran? What do you think of Mohammud {pee be on him}? He was a kook and somehow they made a religion about him. Islam is derivative of Judaism and inferior in every aspect. I am sorry that you have grown up believing that Islam is the true word... It is very deviant...
I really do condemn them. They are fake wannabe Mujaheddins. Some of their actions is prohibited in Islam yet they do it. For example, the mircaz harav massacre where Hamas walked into a school and opened fire on children. They think they did good by killing Jews who were innocent and were children. Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly. Especially children who are considered Muslims until they hit puberty. Those children will be granted paradise and the Hamas militants will be accounted for by their Lord. Of course I have read the Qur'an, the most beautiful book I've laid eyes on. I have not offended you so why do you offend me? You saying pee be upon him only hurts you in the end. I think Muhammad was the greatest man who ever lived. He never harmed anything or anyone unless it was going against his message and Allah. He did not even hurt the people that threw rocks at him or attacked him. Islam was to confirm what came before it and to warn the people again. (they started to worship Idols again) The Qur'an was sent down for that same reason, their would be no need for the Qur'an if the holy scriptures before it were not changed. All for money too, how sad.
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from G-d," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
if you find out what muhammad did, then you will condemn all his actions. todays mujahids are the only one following the true islam, as it is. Your people have killed unlimited number of jews,christians,hindus. Yes Islam is peace, only when everyone is muslim in the land. It is DarulHarb when kaffirs are in numbers. Abode of War.
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and your Allah is a lier, he has told you it is easy for everyone to understand. Still millions around the world are taking up arms after reading quran. No things written in quran is consistent.
If u understand, you will see Muhammad was a crazy illiterate man, who have no better job to do in life, but only go with war on various towns and cities.... and ket marrying multiple wives to satisfy his perversion, not even sparing a 9 yr old.
your concept of Heaven is so BS. Wine and virgins. :::D
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Dude...that was ALL from YOUR HADITHS that I posted, it was given to me BY A MUSLIM. Nice try though.
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Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle." [V004, B052, Hadith Number 256]
That is the hadith you just quoted, and it says plainly that you can kill innocents in this hadith. You can call it an "accident" all you like, but from what I gather, your first language is English, so you know that it truthfully could not be considered "accidental" by any stretch of the imagination.
It is not an accident when you go into a dark town and start swinging your sword wildly and happen to kill children. In English, this would never fit the definition of "accident", but would in fact meet the defiintion of "negligence".
Furthermore, when they used catapults in the siege of Ta'If, you call any of those death fo children "accidental". That doesn't pass the most rudimentary test of logic. When one chooses to use a catapult on a city, the deaths incurred are not "accidental". According to Islam, with the exception of the Maliki school, all you have to do to justify this action is state that your intended target was the infidel.
How is what Hamas does any different than Ta'If? There are soildiers in Israel, and Hamas sends the rockets into Israel, killing innocents. THere were soldiers in Ta'If, and Muhammad bombarded them with catapults.
Now I will ask you again, when you originally stated: "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly", were you lying, or just made a mistake when typing a response quickly? Please answer my question, I don't feel like asking it over and over.
No one knows but Allah. In this hadith, it is only permissible to kill innocent when attacking WARRIORS at night with the probability of killing women and children. The prophet then told them it was okay because they are pagans themselves. Back in the day, it was either close range attack or catapults. By using catapults they'd kill their targets without loosing warriors.
This reminds me of the actions of Israel. Dropping bombs in Gaza like no tomorrow and dropping white phosphorus so that they could "see". Let's look back in history and discover who created Hamas in the first place. If I can recall correctly it was ISRAEL! The average Palestinian family has lost at least 1 family member. Now I know people on this forum have lost some loved ones and all they feel is anger and hate towards the people who killed them. That's how Hamas feels, they are driven by hate and revenge.
I did not make a mistake at all. The Prophet did forbid the killing of innocent woman, child, and elderly 100% AND he gave exceptions which was the hadith that comes after.
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
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Those are ALL from the HADITH Muslim. Taqqiya does NOT work with me
I never said they weren't. My point was you didn't find those hadiths on your own. I'm well aware that there are lists just like that on many Islamic sites. Unless you have these hadith memorized or on your computer already, which I highly doubt, then you got it from an Anti-Islamic site. Am I wrong?
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
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Islam is Nazism!
Learn and remember that FACT muslim.
What makes that a fact!?!?
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No one knows but Allah. In this hadith, it is only permissible to kill innocent when attacking WARRIORS at night with the probability of killing women and children. The prophet then told them it was okay because they are pagans themselves. Back in the day, it was either close range attack or catapults. By using catapults they'd kill their targets without loosing warriors.
First off, this is a Jewish forum, so please stop saying Allah. Use the English name or something.
Secondly, as I said earlier, deaths like that are not accidental. If you choose to swing a sword wildly in the dark simply because there are also warriors there, that is NOT an accident. If you knew there were women and children ahead of time, then when you kill one of them, it cannot be an accident, because you knew they were there and chose to swing your sword.
Also, what Islam considers "warriors" is anybody trying to defend themselves from Muhammad's conquest. Can you recognize how ridiculous this logic is?
This reminds me of the actions of Israel. Dropping bombs in Gaza like no tomorrow and dropping white phosphorus so that they could "see". Let's look back in history and discover who created Hamas in the first place. If I can recall correctly it was ISRAEL! The average Palestinian family has lost at least 1 family member. Now I know people on this forum have lost some loved ones and all they feel is anger and hate towards the people who killed them. That's how Hamas feels, they are driven by hate and revenge.
I will not even respond to any of that. Can any Muslim have a debate without mentionoing Israel? I think not.
As well, the Bolshevik government in no way represents Jews as 90% are not even practicing Torah Jews [/quote]
I did not make a mistake at all. The Prophet did forbid the killing of innocent woman, child, and elderly 100% AND he gave exceptions which was the hadith that comes after.
If there are exceptions, it is not 100%. That is very simple, unfortunately it seems your brain has serious deficiencies.
Islam, if practiced authentically, is a terible evil "religion". Us Jews, we have little Israel and our Torah tells us it is our land, and we must do whatever we can to fulfill the mitzvah of living in Eretz Yisrael.
You Muslims, look at the whole world in the way we look at Israel. THe whole world is yours, and you are allowed to do whatever needs to be done in order to take over the whole world. It is for this reason that you will continue to be maniacs who will always hearken back to the days when Muslims were killing infidels left right and centre, and your entire existence is returning to that state of war.
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Islam is Nazism!
Learn and remember that FACT muslim.
What makes that a fact!?!?
There are lots of similarities.
Islam knows a master people (Muslims) and Nazism knows a master people (Arians).
Islam has working slaves (dhimmis) and Nazism had working slaves (Slavic peoples).
Islam hates Jews and Nazism hates Jews.
Islam has socialist attitudes and Nazism has socialist attitudes.
Islam uses blood libels and Nazism uses blood libels.
Islam says, that the Jews have falsified the scriptures and Nazism say it (Jesus was an Aryan)
and so on and so on ...
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Islam is Nazism!
Learn and remember that FACT muslim.
What makes that a fact!?!?
Muslims are supposed to hate non-Muslims. Read the Quran and you will see.
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So true Muslims must be genocidal maniacs in order to make their end time prophecies come true. Nothing unjust is being done to them, they're just fighting on the basis of a false religion.
Excuse me? Are you implying that the Palestinians are being genocidal maniacs? lol, that's too funny. First of all, Israel is the one going through with their slow motion genocide. The Palestinians are the ones living in an internment camp.(GAZA) Israelis are the ones who have killed thousands of Palestinians and displaced more. I can go on forever ya know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw)
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So you are saying that Muslims don't even need a reason to fight Jews other than that it will bring about Judgment Day? That is even worse than I thought!
Your commentary on that hadith makes it sound even more sinister. Are you telling me a prerequisite of judgment day is that the JEws hides behind a tree or stone and then the tree or stone cries out that the Jews is hiding?
As I said earlier, can a Muslim have an argument without mentioning Israel? We are talking about Islam, yet you keep mentioning Israel.
When someone debates me on Judaism, I don't repeatedly talk about Saudi Arabia, because it is irrelevant to the argument, much like your repeated mentions of Israel.
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So true Muslims must be genocidal maniacs in order to make their end time prophecies come true. Nothing unjust is being done to them, they're just fighting on the basis of a false religion.
Excuse me? Are you implying that the Palestinians are being genocidal maniacs? lol, that's too funny. First of all, Israel is the one going through with their slow motion genocide. The Palestinians are the ones living in an internment camp.(GAZA) Israelis are the ones who have killed thousands of Palestinians and displaced more. I can go on forever ya know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw)
This would be the first genocide where the "victims" multiply more and even refuse to live outside this "horrible" genocidal state. You are a fool. Reality and truth are stronger than your propaganda.
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First off, this is a Jewish forum, so please stop saying Allah. Use the English name or something.
Secondly, as I said earlier, deaths like that are not accidental. If you choose to swing a sword wildly in the dark simply because there are also warriors there, that is NOT an accident. If you knew there were women and children ahead of time, then when you kill one of them, it cannot be an accident, because you knew they were there and chose to swing your sword.
Also, what Islam considers "warriors" is anybody trying to defend themselves from Muhammad's conquest. Can you recognize how ridiculous this logic is?
Firstly, Freedom of speech, I can say whatever, however. Just selectively read like some do when reading the Qur'an. DogBreath is Great!
Dude! Do you not know you're history? Let me say this again! Look at the pre-Islamic era and then the post-Islamic era. Then come back and tell me the difference you saw. Please research it yourself! A time where war, destruction, and ignorance was everywhere, Islam brought knowledge and peace. A Muslim could not wage war against someone who wanted peace. A Muslim ALWAYS fought in self defense.
How is what Hamas does any different than Ta'If? There are soildiers in Israel, and Hamas sends the rockets into Israel, killing innocents. THere were soldiers in Ta'If, and Muhammad bombarded them with catapults.
Were you not the one who mentioned Hamas and Israel. You mentioned them why can't I. I guess you knew I was right.
Okay so if the Torah says the holy land is yours, you can take it if it means displacing and killing numerous Palestinians. So the Qur'an tells the Muslims to fight back and it's wrong? okay there........
"What gave Britain the right to five you someone else's land?" --George Galloway
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So true Muslims must be genocidal maniacs in order to make their end time prophecies come true. Nothing unjust is being done to them, they're just fighting on the basis of a false religion.
Excuse me? Are you implying that the Palestinians are being genocidal maniacs? lol, that's too funny. First of all, Israel is the one going through with their slow motion genocide. The Palestinians are the ones living in an internment camp.(GAZA) Israelis are the ones who have killed thousands of Palestinians and displaced more. I can go on forever ya know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw)
This would be the first genocide where the "victims" multiply more and even refuse to live outside this "horrible" genocidal state. You are a fool. Reality and truth are stronger than your propaganda.
That's what Israel wants. To kill so much that they flee from their state, then Israel takes the rest of the land. Oh yeah, I just remembered the fool is you because how the [censored] can they live outside when they forced to stay in.
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Excuse me? Are you implying that the Palestinians are being genocidal maniacs? lol, that's too funny. First of all, Israel is the one going through with their slow motion genocide.
Really? So why do the Fakestinian population numbers in Gaza, Judea and Samaria keep going up each year? That must be such a "slow motion genocide" that it actually operates in reverse. So slow of a genocide that it adds to the number of Fakestinians in the population rather than decreasing their numbers. "Reverse genocide." Fascinating.
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So you are saying that Muslims don't even need a reason to fight Jews other than that it will bring about Judgment Day? That is even worse than I thought!
Your commentary on that hadith makes it sound even more sinister. Are you telling me a prerequisite of judgment day is that the JEws hides behind a tree or stone and then the tree or stone cries out that the Jews is hiding?
As I said earlier, can a Muslim have an argument without mentioning Israel? We are talking about Islam, yet you keep mentioning Israel.
When someone debates me on Judaism, I don't repeatedly talk about Saudi Arabia, because it is irrelevant to the argument, much like your repeated mentions of Israel.
Dude, the hadith is relevant to Israel because Israelis are Jews and Palestinian are Muslims. Both states are fighting. They have a reason to fight Jews, their land was stolen!
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So you are saying that Muslims don't even need a reason to fight Jews other than that it will bring about Judgment Day? That is even worse than I thought!
Your commentary on that hadith makes it sound even more sinister. Are you telling me a prerequisite of judgment day is that the JEws hides behind a tree or stone and then the tree or stone cries out that the Jews is hiding?
As I said earlier, can a Muslim have an argument without mentioning Israel? We are talking about Islam, yet you keep mentioning Israel.
When someone debates me on Judaism, I don't repeatedly talk about Saudi Arabia, because it is irrelevant to the argument, much like your repeated mentions of Israel.
Dude, the hadith is relevant to Israel because Israelis are Jews and Palestinian are Muslims. Both states are fighting. They have a reason to fight Jews, their land was stolen!
Yes, you see the truth... The Jews land was stolen by Muslims and Arabs who do not belong there. All Arabs must be moved out of Israel back to their homelands of Jordan and Syria... You do know that Jordan and Syria is the home of the 'palistikinan people'. Also there is no such thing as a Palestinkian people before the year 1967, it was made up by Arafat. These people are being held in refugree camps in Lebanon, by their own people. You do know that all the arab countries expelled their Jews during the 1948 creation of the state of Israel, don't you... Israel did not expell arabs as they should have. These arabs have stolen Jewish land....
The Jewish people have inhabited the land for over 3000 years... Over 2000 years longer than Islam even existed.
Allah SucksBar!
PS: Go to hell where you belong... The righteous of the world are tired of your iniquities and will destroy your people soon. You are treading on thin ice now. Retribution is at hand Despised Muslim... You will be punished for your transgression. Look out! Say your prayers before you meet your maker Evil Muslim! You have made your death bed, now sleep in it!
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First off, this is a Jewish forum, so please stop saying Allah. Use the English name or something.
Secondly, as I said earlier, deaths like that are not accidental. If you choose to swing a sword wildly in the dark simply because there are also warriors there, that is NOT an accident. If you knew there were women and children ahead of time, then when you kill one of them, it cannot be an accident, because you knew they were there and chose to swing your sword.
Also, what Islam considers "warriors" is anybody trying to defend themselves from Muhammad's conquest. Can you recognize how ridiculous this logic is?
Firstly, Freedom of speech, I can say whatever, however. Just selectively read like some do when reading the Qur'an. DogBreath is Great!
Dude! Do you not know you're history? Let me say this again! Look at the pre-Islamic era and then the post-Islamic era. Then come back and tell me the difference you saw. Please research it yourself! A time where war, destruction, and ignorance was everywhere, Islam brought knowledge and peace. A Muslim could not wage war against someone who wanted peace. A Muslim ALWAYS fought in self defense.
How is what Hamas does any different than Ta'If? There are soildiers in Israel, and Hamas sends the rockets into Israel, killing innocents. THere were soldiers in Ta'If, and Muhammad bombarded them with catapults.
Were you not the one who mentioned Hamas and Israel. You mentioned them why can't I. I guess you knew I was right.
Okay so if the Torah says the holy land is yours, you can take it if it means displacing and killing numerous Palestinians. So the Qur'an tells the Muslims to fight back and it's wrong? okay there........
"What gave Britain the right to five you someone else's land?" --George Galloway
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So please, PLEASE explain to me how it is possible that Muslims only fought in self-defense, yet had an incredibly fast conquest that involved a calpihate of over 5 million square miles?
You tell me to know my history (I am finishing my Masters in history, which I am sure you are not, or you would not have so many grammatical errors in your writing), yet you deny all logic in looking at history and claim that somehow a group that took over 5 million square miles only fought defensively? Please stop being so naive and use some semblance of rationality when formulating an argument. What is your explanation for the Muslim conquests if they only fought defensively?
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So true Muslims must be genocidal maniacs in order to make their end time prophecies come true. Nothing unjust is being done to them, they're just fighting on the basis of a false religion.
Excuse me? Are you implying that the Palestinians are being genocidal maniacs? lol, that's too funny. First of all, Israel is the one going through with their slow motion genocide. The Palestinians are the ones living in an internment camp.(GAZA) Israelis are the ones who have killed thousands of Palestinians and displaced more. I can go on forever ya know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw)
PLO Nazis ARE genocidal maniacs in line with the Muslim doctrine that you just justified. There is no implication. Muslims want Jews dead because they want to bring the Muslim apocalypse. If there was a genocide being carried out by Israel, there would BE no more Muslim Nazis. The only people Israel is displacing is the Jewish settlers so that they can give more land to Muslim terrorists.
If every Muslim wanted Jews dead, you guys would have been wiped out before Hitler. It's a MINORITY of Muslims you want Jews dead for their own reasons. It's a genocide and the world doesn't know it. Israel wouldn't make it obvious because the whole would would be up their ass. Plus, the Palestinians wouldn't give in that easily, 60+ years of seeing everyone around them die. Jewish settlers have no right to be there in the first place.
"What gave Britain the right to five you someone else's land?" --George Galloway
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They also understand burying their bodies in pig skins.
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I have a question muslim...
What gives you the idea that we will believe your lies?
I think you forgot my previous post:
I have brought it to your attention that you are
completely brainwashed by a death and destruction
cult since your birth.
You are incapable of reasoning or telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is you are a mindless
follower of islam.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not
attempting to utilize your mind.
May PISS be upon your Nazi Pedo Phile prophet !
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So you are saying that Muslims don't even need a reason to fight Jews other than that it will bring about Judgment Day? That is even worse than I thought!
Your commentary on that hadith makes it sound even more sinister. Are you telling me a prerequisite of judgment day is that the JEws hides behind a tree or stone and then the tree or stone cries out that the Jews is hiding?
As I said earlier, can a Muslim have an argument without mentioning Israel? We are talking about Islam, yet you keep mentioning Israel.
When someone debates me on Judaism, I don't repeatedly talk about Saudi Arabia, because it is irrelevant to the argument, much like your repeated mentions of Israel.
Dude, the hadith is relevant to Israel because Israelis are Jews and Palestinian are Muslims. Both states are fighting. They have a reason to fight Jews, their land was stolen!
There are no such things as Palestinians.
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So true Muslims must be genocidal maniacs in order to make their end time prophecies come true. Nothing unjust is being done to them, they're just fighting on the basis of a false religion.
Excuse me? Are you implying that the Palestinians are being genocidal maniacs? lol, that's too funny. First of all, Israel is the one going through with their slow motion genocide. The Palestinians are the ones living in an internment camp.(GAZA) Israelis are the ones who have killed thousands of Palestinians and displaced more. I can go on forever ya know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw)
PLO Nazis ARE genocidal maniacs in line with the Muslim doctrine that you just justified. There is no implication. Muslims want Jews dead because they want to bring the Muslim apocalypse. If there was a genocide being carried out by Israel, there would BE no more Muslim Nazis. The only people Israel is displacing is the Jewish settlers so that they can give more land to Muslim terrorists.
If every Muslim wanted Jews dead, you guys would have been wiped out before Hitler. It's a MINORITY of Muslims you want Jews dead for their own reasons. It's a genocide and the world doesn't know it. Israel wouldn't make it obvious because the whole would would be up their donkey. Plus, the Palestinians wouldn't give in that easily, 60+ years of seeing everyone around them die. Jewish settlers have no right to be there in the first place.
"What gave Britain the right to five you someone else's land?" --George Galloway
You obviously have it completely backwards... Arabs and Muslims have NO RIGHT to be there in the first place. This land was given to the Jews, has been continuously occupied by the Jews, and the Jews have made the land fruitful and beautiful while arabs only desecrated the land which they stole.
You would be well advised to inform your brothers and sisters to evacuate the Holy Land before it is too late for your people. Judgement will be harsh and punishment will be severe... Please save yourself and your people by getting them far away from Israel as soon as possible.
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Muslims can not be trusted... just ask the tribe Korische!
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Islam is Nazism!
Learn and remember that FACT muslim.
What makes that a fact!?!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3LnEkU2Vzo&feature=channel_page
Excellent Video of the truth Dan ben Noah!
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I have a question muslim...
What gives you the idea that we will believe your lies?
I think you forgot my previous post:
I have brought it to your attention that you are
completely brainwashed by a death and destruction
cult since your birth.
You are incapable of reasoning or telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is you are a mindless
follower of islam.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not
attempting to utilize your mind.
May PISS be upon your Nazi Pedo Phile prophet !
Well firstly, this site is a propaganda piece of shiz.
I don't need you to believe me(their not lies)
I'm just here to tell you there's another site to your bs.
You mustn't be ignorant. Like I said before, I taught myself about this religion and my parents barely assisted.
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Muslim, how do you explain the following hadith:
Book 041, Number 6984:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Judgment Day will not be established until the fight over the holy lands is put to an end. Aren't Muslims fighting against the Jews now in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? :P
So true Muslims must be genocidal maniacs in order to make their end time prophecies come true. Nothing unjust is being done to them, they're just fighting on the basis of a false religion.
Excuse me? Are you implying that the Palestinians are being genocidal maniacs? lol, that's too funny. First of all, Israel is the one going through with their slow motion genocide. The Palestinians are the ones living in an internment camp.(GAZA) Israelis are the ones who have killed thousands of Palestinians and displaced more. I can go on forever ya know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3PF0q33uDw)
PLO Nazis ARE genocidal maniacs in line with the Muslim doctrine that you just justified. There is no implication. Muslims want Jews dead because they want to bring the Muslim apocalypse. If there was a genocide being carried out by Israel, there would BE no more Muslim Nazis. The only people Israel is displacing is the Jewish settlers so that they can give more land to Muslim terrorists.
If every Muslim wanted Jews dead, you guys would have been wiped out before Hitler. It's a MINORITY of Muslims you want Jews dead for their own reasons. It's a genocide and the world doesn't know it. Israel wouldn't make it obvious because the whole would would be up their donkey. Plus, the Palestinians wouldn't give in that easily, 60+ years of seeing everyone around them die. Jewish settlers have no right to be there in the first place.
"What gave Britain the right to five you someone else's land?" --George Galloway
You obviously have it completely backwards... Arabs and Muslims have NO RIGHT to be there in the first place. This land was given to the Jews, has been continuously occupied by the Jews, and the Jews have made the land fruitful and beautiful while arabs only desecrated the land which they stole.
You would be well advised to inform your brothers and sisters to evacuate the Holy Land before it is too late for your people. Judgement will be harsh and punishment will be severe... Please save yourself and your people by getting them far away from Israel as soon as possible.
Yes the land was given to the Jews by Britain. Now what gives Britain the right to give you someone else's land? It's just like saying Canadians and Americans have no right to be on their land because it was owned by the Natives. The Palestinians will not leave their land, they will stand strong until the end.
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The Palestinians can go back to Jordan and Egypt, OR FIFTY SEVEN other A-rab nations where they BELONG. The land is the land of the JEWISH PEOPLE and it drives you neo-Nazis and Mussies NUTZ, it cracks me up ...lol
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Muslim, your posts validate my description of you.
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Muslim you are gay
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If every Muslim wanted Jews dead, you guys would have been wiped out before Hitler. It's a MINORITY of Muslims you want Jews dead for their own reasons. It's a genocide and the world doesn't know it. Israel wouldn't make it obvious because the whole would would be up their donkey. Plus, the Palestinians wouldn't give in that easily, 60+ years of seeing everyone around them die. Jewish settlers have no right to be there in the first place.
"What gave Britain the right to five you someone else's land?" --George Galloway
Are you saying it's a MINORITY of Muslims who actually believe in Islam then? Islam teaches to kill the Jews as you have justified. Most Muslims do want Jews dead, but they try ineffectively to not make it obvious because the civilized world would be up their donkey. Muslims can't make good on what they want for 2 reasons. The main reason is because the Jews are G-d's chosen people and He has an eternal covenant with them which means they will never be destroyed (the same G-d that gave them the Land of Israel). The second reason is that Muslims are so stupid and primitive that they can't even make their own nuclear weapons or develop oil without outside help. They have billions of dollars of revenue but still are wallowing in their primitive camel drek cultures. Islam makes you retarded, which is why they cannot succeed even though they do have genocidal ambitions which they promote in their Arab media every day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_USBCLoqzU&feature=channel_page
Your ignorance in Islam just makes you look foolish. Islam is not about killing Jews. A person who chooses not to kill will not go to hell for it, that would be absurd. The belief in Islam means 5 things: to believe in Allah and his messenger, to pray the five daily prayers, to fast, pay charity, and preform Hajj. I myself don't want Jews dead, I have many close Jewish friends. lol, God's chosen people back then. Things changed after Jews refused to take Jesus as a messenger and attempted to kill him. Muslims are stupid? Who are the ones that discovered many chemical processes, algebra, number 0, coffee, parachutes, etc! I wonder how someone who is on their way in getting a Bachelor's of Dentistry would be retarded? hmm, have you ever seen a retard do that?
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The Palestinians can go back to Jordan and Egypt, OR FIFTY SEVEN other A-rab nations where they BELONG. The land is the land of the JEWISH PEOPLE and it drives you neo-Nazis and Mussies NUTZ, it cracks me up ...lol
Palestine and Jordan are the same country. Have you noticed how similar their flags look?
Here's Jordan's flag.
(http://www.appliedlanguage.com/flags_of_the_world/large_flag_of_jordan.gif)
And here's "Palestine's" flag.
(http://www.tofocus.info/images/flags/palestine-flag.gif)
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I have a question muslim...
What gives you the idea that we will believe your lies?
I think you forgot my previous post:
I have brought it to your attention that you are
completely brainwashed by a death and destruction
cult since your birth.
You are incapable of reasoning or telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is you are a mindless
follower of islam.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not
attempting to utilize your mind.
May PISS be upon your Nazi Pedo Phile prophet !
Well firstly, this site is a propaganda piece of shiz.
I don't need you to believe me(their not lies)
I'm just here to tell you there's another site to your bs.
You mustn't be ignorant. Like I said before, I taught myself about this religion and my parents barely assisted.
The only propaganda on this site is your Muslim apologetics. Before 9/11, one of the main Islamic apologetics sites, answering-christianity.com, had a section devoted to the "hero" Osama Bin Laden. I saw it myself. These are the people you get your information from.
Osama Bin Laden works for the CIA, 9/11 was an inside job. Sorry that a lot of Americans had to die because of their government. RIP to all those who died on 9/11
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I have a question muslim...
What gives you the idea that we will believe your lies?
I think you forgot my previous post:
I have brought it to your attention that you are
completely brainwashed by a death and destruction
cult since your birth.
You are incapable of reasoning or telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is you are a mindless
follower of islam.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not
attempting to utilize your mind.
May PISS be upon your Nazi Pedo Phile prophet !
Well firstly, this site is a propaganda piece of shiz.
I don't need you to believe me(their not lies)
I'm just here to tell you there's another site to your bs.
You mustn't be ignorant. Like I said before, I taught myself about this religion and my parents barely assisted.
The only propaganda on this site is your Muslim apologetics. Before 9/11, one of the main Islamic apologetics sites, answering-christianity.com, had a section devoted to the "hero" Osama Bin Laden. I saw it myself. These are the people you get your information from.
Osama Bin Laden works for the CIA, 9/11 was an inside job. Sorry that a lot of Americans had to die because of their government. RIP to all those who died on 9/11
You're playing taqiyya. You can't fool me. A real Muslim would never feel sorry for Americans.
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I have a question muslim...
What gives you the idea that we will believe your lies?
I think you forgot my previous post:
I have brought it to your attention that you are
completely brainwashed by a death and destruction
cult since your birth.
You are incapable of reasoning or telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is you are a mindless
follower of islam.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not
attempting to utilize your mind.
May PISS be upon your Nazi Pedo Phile prophet !
Well firstly, this site is a propaganda piece of shiz.
I don't need you to believe me(their not lies)
I'm just here to tell you there's another site to your bs.
You mustn't be ignorant. Like I said before, I taught myself about this religion and my parents barely assisted.
The only propaganda on this site is your Muslim apologetics. Before 9/11, one of the main Islamic apologetics sites, answering-christianity.com, had a section devoted to the "hero" Osama Bin Laden. I saw it myself. These are the people you get your information from.
Osama Bin Laden works for the CIA, 9/11 was an inside job. Sorry that a lot of Americans had to die because of their government. RIP to all those who died on 9/11
You're playing taqiyya. You can't fool me. A real Muslim would never feel sorry for Americans.
A Real Muslim! :::D
This guy is probably some faggot liberal who in his search for porn ran across us, he wouldn't know a muslim nazi if it poke 'em in the butt
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Thanks for the Heads Up !
She is a vile creature indeed, pretending to be well mannered and polite... teqiyya!
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I have a question muslim...
What gives you the idea that we will believe your lies?
I think you forgot my previous post:
I have brought it to your attention that you are
completely brainwashed by a death and destruction
cult since your birth.
You are incapable of reasoning or telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is you are a mindless
follower of islam.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not
attempting to utilize your mind.
May PISS be upon your Nazi Pedo Phile prophet !
Well firstly, this site is a propaganda piece of shiz.
I don't need you to believe me(their not lies)
I'm just here to tell you there's another site to your bs.
You mustn't be ignorant. Like I said before, I taught myself about this religion and my parents barely assisted.
The only propaganda on this site is your Muslim apologetics. Before 9/11, one of the main Islamic apologetics sites, answering-christianity.com, had a section devoted to the "hero" Osama Bin Laden. I saw it myself. These are the people you get your information from.
Osama Bin Laden works for the CIA, 9/11 was an inside job. Sorry that a lot of Americans had to die because of their government. RIP to all those who died on 9/11
You're playing taqiyya. You can't fool me. A real Muslim would never feel sorry for Americans.
Then I guess I ain't a real Muslim if I felt sorry for the death of people. I feel sorry for every soul that is murdered. Stop acting like y'all know me.
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Osama Bin Laden works for the CIA, 9/11 was an inside job. Sorry that a lot of Americans had to die because of their government. RIP to all those who died on 9/11
While it is true that the CIA armed and financed Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen against the Soviets during the Carter and Reagan administrations, the claim that 9/11 was an "inside job" is completely absurd and without any merit. The buildings clearly imploded and collapsed from the top to the bottom, consistent with the two planes that collided with them. 9/11 was just one big suicide bomb caused by fundamentalist Muslims. (The type of people who you probably regard as "peace fighters.")
Your "condolences" are so condescending that it is sufficient, in and of itself, to ban you.
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I have a question muslim...
What gives you the idea that we will believe your lies?
I think you forgot my previous post:
I have brought it to your attention that you are
completely brainwashed by a death and destruction
cult since your birth.
You are incapable of reasoning or telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is you are a mindless
follower of islam.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not
attempting to utilize your mind.
May PISS be upon your Nazi Pedo Phile prophet !
Well firstly, this site is a propaganda piece of shiz.
I don't need you to believe me(their not lies)
I'm just here to tell you there's another site to your bs.
You mustn't be ignorant. Like I said before, I taught myself about this religion and my parents barely assisted.
The only propaganda on this site is your Muslim apologetics. Before 9/11, one of the main Islamic apologetics sites, answering-christianity.com, had a section devoted to the "hero" Osama Bin Laden. I saw it myself. These are the people you get your information from.
Osama Bin Laden works for the CIA, 9/11 was an inside job. Sorry that a lot of Americans had to die because of their government. RIP to all those who died on 9/11
You're playing taqiyya. You can't fool me. A real Muslim would never feel sorry for Americans.
A Real Muslim! :::D
This guy is probably some faggot liberal who in his search for porn ran across us, he wouldn't know a muslim nazi if it poke 'em in the butt
This is actually a real, possibly black, female Muslim in Canada who supports terrorists (refers to them as "peace fighters" on her ZooTube channel as if that's what they're really interested in) and said to me on ZooTube "Where's a Hamas rocket when you need it?" She is definitely part of the zoo that ZooTube caters to. Here is her ZooTube channel, you can see for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/jollierancher123
Hey you're smart. What's up long time no talk. lol, there are two different people, the crazy "mujahideens" and the ones against them. I did say "Where's a Hamas rocket when you need it?" Anyone on this planet who thinks others deserve a holocaust like you did, deserve death. I'm not a nice person if you said the Palestinians deserve a holcaust. Instead of condemning Matan Vilnai you cheer him on. I was rather surprised. :o
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Osama Bin Laden works for the CIA, 9/11 was an inside job. Sorry that a lot of Americans had to die because of their government. RIP to all those who died on 9/11
While it is true that the CIA armed and financed Osama bin Laden and the Mujahideen against the Soviets during the Carter and Reagan administrations, the claim that 9/11 was an "inside job" is completely absurd and without any merit. The buildings clearly imploded and collapsed from the top to the bottom, consistent with the two planes that collided with them. 9/11 was just one big suicide bomb caused by fundamentalist Muslims. (The type of people who you probably regard as "peace fighters.")
Your "condolences" are so condescending that it is sufficient, in and of itself, to ban you.
There was a basement explosion. 9/11 was just a reason to start a phony war to steal resources from the middle east. I don't call them peace fighter. Those a the fake wannabe mujahideen's (Islamic militants)
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Thanks for the Heads Up !
She is a vile creature indeed, pretending to be well mannered and polite... teqiyya!
I wasn't pretending. Anyoen who knows me can tell you that I am well mannered and polite because that's what Islam teaches. I'm a whole different person when I'm offended or someone calls another holocaust. Whether they be Muslim or a Jew.
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taquiyyah gedola!
(http://dappledthings.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/blowing-shofar-painting.jpg)
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lol have I gathered the whole JTF community on this forum? :laugh:
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Your tune changed a bit muslim ....this is one of your quotes:
" stop acting like yall know me "
Wow, are you a Southern Muzzie?
Or are you a Southern Muzzie Troll?
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Your tune changed a bit muslim ....this is one of your quotes:
" stop acting like yall know me "
Wow, are you a Southern Muzzie?
Or are you a Southern Muzzie Troll?
Ha you think your funny. Give me a heads up before you drop one of those pathetic jokes.
Maybe next I'll pretend to laugh or pretend to feel just a bit hurt.
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Stop acting like y'all know me.
But we do know you. We know you all too well.
I sure wish the koranimals would get their story straight regarding 9/11. One minute it's a celebration of the 19 glorious martyrs bringing down the towers and murdering thousands of infidels, the next moment it's an inside job orchestrated by the CIA and Mossad to enrage the civilized world in order to wage an unjustified war against the poor innocent oppressed muslims.
Your final answer please.
We're also all too familiar with the nonsensical myth of a paleostinian people. The simple truth is they're arab usurpers and occupiers of Jewish Land. Unfortunately for the koranimals, the Landlord has returned and the koranimal interlopers don't have the decency or brains to accept their long overdue eviction. Here at JTF we support the Jewish landlord taking whatever means necessary to evict the muslim squatters. We prefer that they leave vertically, but if not - then they'll have to leave horizontally. But they WILL go.
2,000 years before the pedophile 'prophet' was molesting a 9 year old child named Ayisha, there was already Israel. 2,000 years after Mecca is dust, there will still be Israel.
On a final note, I want to congratulate Muslim for giving this forum an opportunity to laugh at his/her/it's ignorance and stupidity and proving for the umpteenth time why it's a total waste of time attempting dialogue with idiotic koranimals. I'd rather try to explain why we only see one side of the moon to a rabbit, than attempt to have a rational conversation with a mohammedan. I also really got a kick out of the wannabe koranimal cowboy using terms like 'dude' and 'y'all'. It's been fun. Now Muslim FOAD.
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I have a question muslim...
What gives you the idea that we will believe your lies?
I think you forgot my previous post:
I have brought it to your attention that you are
completely brainwashed by a death and destruction
cult since your birth.
You are incapable of reasoning or telling the truth.
The fact of the matter is you are a mindless
follower of islam.
You should be ashamed of yourself for not
attempting to utilize your mind.
May PISS be upon your Nazi Pedo Phile prophet !
Well firstly, this site is a propaganda piece of shiz.
I don't need you to believe me(their not lies)
I'm just here to tell you there's another site to your bs.
You mustn't be ignorant. Like I said before, I taught myself about this religion and my parents barely assisted.
The only propaganda on this site is your Muslim apologetics. Before 9/11, one of the main Islamic apologetics sites, answering-christianity.com, had a section devoted to the "hero" Osama Bin Laden. I saw it myself. These are the people you get your information from.
Osama Bin Laden works for the CIA, 9/11 was an inside job. Sorry that a lot of Americans had to die because of their government. RIP to all those who died on 9/11
You're playing taqiyya. You can't fool me. A real Muslim would never feel sorry for Americans.
A Real Muslim! :::D
This guy is probably some faggot liberal who in his search for porn ran across us, he wouldn't know a muslim nazi if it poke 'em in the butt
This is actually a real, possibly black, female Muslim in Canada who supports terrorists (refers to them as "peace fighters" on her ZooTube channel as if that's what they're really interested in) and said to me on ZooTube "Where's a Hamas rocket when you need it?" She is definitely part of the zoo that ZooTube caters to. Here is her ZooTube channel, you can see for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/jollierancher123
Hey you're smart. What's up long time no talk. lol, there are two different people, the crazy "mujahideens" and the ones against them. I did say "Where's a Hamas rocket when you need it?" Anyone on this planet who thinks others deserve a holocaust like you did, deserve death. I'm not a nice person if you said the Palestinians deserve a holcaust. Instead of condemning Matan Vilnai you cheer him on. I was rather surprised. :o
You believe the Saudi LYING MEDIA that poor HAMAS is having a holocaust-----THIS WEEK. Gimme a BREAK. Christians that are in the place called "Palestine" are being MURDERED by HAMAS, Israel does NOT go around murdering people---are you INSANE?? If Israel takes ONE step that is out of line with the poor 'rest of the world' G-D FORBID!
Hamas terrorists kill innocent Palestinian in Gaza (Rare Video) (Must See) (from a Christian-Arab perspective)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I
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Dentistry of desert lizards might be an interesting profession. Along with the normal work, someone can get time to read the so-called boook engraved on the teeth and gum of the reptiles.
;D
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Everyone,
Muslim has been banned. However, I just want to say that you all did a great job of debating him/her/it. You really let that troll have it!
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Dentistry of desert lizards might be an interesting profession. Along with the normal work, someone can get time to read the so-called boook engraved on the teeth and gum of the reptiles.
;D
you are wicked :::D
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Thanks Lisa, we do appreciate muslim being banned. Seems like the muslim trolls sign onto JTF just to stir up trouble.
Shalom - Dox : )
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Dentistry of desert lizards might be an interesting profession. Along with the normal work, someone can get time to read the so-called boook engraved on the teeth and gum of the reptiles.
;D
you are wicked :::D
Thanx for kind comment... ;D :laugh:
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Excuse me? Are you implying that the Palestinians are being genocidal maniacs? lol, that's too funny. First of all, Israel is the one going through with their slow motion genocide.
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Really? So why do the Fakestinian population numbers in Gaza, Judea and Samaria keep going up each year? That must be such a "slow motion genocide" that it actually operates in reverse. So slow of a genocide that it adds to the number of Fakestinians in the population rather than decreasing their numbers. "Reverse genocide." Fascinating.
Do you realize what an idiot you make yourself into in order to defend illogical, incorrect, factually inaccurate, dishonest, hairbrained conspiracy theorist, nonempirical, nonstatistical, wildly speculative allegations and positions?!