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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Scriabin on November 09, 2008, 12:13:05 AM
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Well?
I think so.
Political correctness be damned!
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
I still sigh because my dad has an annoying habit of referring to little people/people with dwarfism as midgets. At least I got him to understand not to say it around them because it could hurt their feelings. That's about as PC as I get though.
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.
If I vote yes it will be because I'd love to see more videos or audios like the Cleopatra Jefferson one or the Brazilia one.
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.
If I vote yes it will be because I'd love to see more videos or audios like the Cleopatra Jefferson one or the Brazilia one.
That's essentially what I'm talking about.
Free speech, without FEAR!
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
I still sigh because my dad has an annoying habit of referring to little people/people with dwarfism as midgets. At least I got him to understand not to say it around them because it could hurt their feelings. That's about as PC as I get though.
I call them little people, or the mexican midgets, I call them nuggets.
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
I still sigh because my dad has an annoying habit of referring to little people/people with dwarfism as midgets. At least I got him to understand not to say it around them because it could hurt their feelings. That's about as PC as I get though.
I call them little people, or the mexican midgets, I call them nuggets.
I think the Mexican wrestling ones it's ok to call midgets because they do it for a living. lol
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The 'yes' voters are winning!
Hooray!
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
I still sigh because my dad has an annoying habit of referring to little people/people with dwarfism as midgets. At least I got him to understand not to say it around them because it could hurt their feelings. That's about as PC as I get though.
I call them little people, or the mexican midgets, I call them nuggets.
I think the Mexican wrestling ones it's ok to call midgets because they do it for a living. lol
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I hope that Chaim forgoes the PC BS.
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5 out of 7 say 'yes'!
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I'm not hijacking your thread, I voted yes.
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It's true that the old JTF programs were much raunchier when it came to rhetoric. You can tell a difference if you listen to the archived audios. There used to be a lot more vivid death wishes upon evil people and constant exposure of the black threat and calling self-hating Jews "kikes", etc.
I agree, it used to be better.
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For example, look at our numbers.
They've never been lower.
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White Israelite:
American "Hero" posted a picture of two shirtless beaners.
Later, he posted more irellevant garbage.
That stuff gets on my nerves.
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For example, look at our numbers.
They've never been lower.
Huh??? The numbers (members, donations, media mentions) have never been HIGHER! The movement is growing in Israel and the USA.
As for being politically correct. JTF is far from politically correct.
The tone has changed a bit. I think it has become more refined and more presentable. Chaim is also older (this is not an insult). 51-year old Chaim is not going to say the same things 41 year old Chaim said. I look at videos of me from 10 years ago and I am shocked at how much my own presentation has changed. As we get older we get wiser and we begin to present ourselves in different way.
JTF has become much more professional. No way should Chaim ever use the "K-word" as much as he once did.
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Scriabin, you raise a legitimate concern. I agree with you that Chaim has changed his delivery slightly and has in fact become even more professional. Chaim has not changed his views at all though. The slight change is simply due to the fact that Chaim has an Israeli movt now with a great chance of attaining power and becoming prime minister. Chaim probably feels that the shows need to be more serious to give the movt the respect it deserves. Back in the day when the bus accident and brazillia took place, Chaim didn't have a an israeli movt to tend to so he concentrated more on the shvartza issue.
Believe me Scriabin, nobody on this forum is more critical of shvartzas than me. I loved those shows in which Chaim impersonated shvartzas more than anything else. I miss them very much as you do. I personally agree with you and would like Chaim to tell more shvartza stories but at the same time, I understand why he doesn't.
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Ah the good ole days. When Yosef Ben Meir would burn newspaper photos of Al Gore and other evil people and when Chaim said all "Palestinian" men, women, and children should be killed (which is what they'd do to us if they had the power). I asked him if Muslim children should be targeted over adults on AskJTF and he brushed it aside. Chaim himself said on QPTV that Muslim children are like baby snakes. You don't have mercy on snakes just because they're babies, you kill them.
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Ah the good ole days. When Yosef Ben Meir would burn newspaper photos of Al Gore and other evil people and when Chaim said all "Palestinian" men, women, and children should be killed (which is what they'd do to us if they had the power). I asked him if Muslim children should be targeted over adults on AskJTF and he brushed it aside. Chaim himself said on QPTV that Muslim children are like baby snakes. You don't have mercy on snakes just because they're babies, you kill them.
I don't think Chaim has ever advocated killing Arab spawns, not for the sake of it alone. I think he said that Arab civilians loss of life must be disregarded (when used as human shield etc.) for the sake of protecting the righteous people.
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As for being politically correct. JTF is far from politically correct.
The tone has changed a bit. I think it has become more refined and more presentable. Chaim is also older (this is not an insult). 51-year old Chaim is not going to say the same things 41 year old Chaim said. I look at videos of me from 10 years ago and I am shocked at how much my own presentation has changed. As we get older we get wiser and we begin to present ourselves in different way.
JTF has become much more professional. No way should Chaim ever use the "K-word" as much as he once did.
I'm against the liberal use of the word "kike" for one reason: It lends legitimacy for Gentiles to use it liberally.
I absolutely believe that Chaim should go back to the "old days." Just bash our enemies and bash them relentlessly. Keep kicking tail and taking names.
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Guys, you're forgetting that Chaim is trying to get into Israel, and that the mucky mucks in Israel are no doubt checking out this forum.
So while I can understand you guys enjoying the Brazilia and Cleopatra Jefferson videos, along with the shows where Chaim burned pictures of Al Sharpton, remember that we don't want to look crazy bigots. Chaim hasn't really changed his message. He just puts it in a way most people can hear.
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.
I noticed the same thing - more and more political correctness. I voted "yes." Political incorrectness is our strength. We need to fight and subvert PC by being as far un-PC as possible. Being un-PC is our strongest weapon. People who are put off by it will come around. I myself was initially shocked when I discovered JTF. But gradually I came to appreciate it for its honesty.
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Defenitly. We will grow, if we stay anti politically correct.
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Shalom,
There is a difference between not being politically correct and being obnoxiously offensive, even racist and hateful. I do not agree that JTF should go on a path of baseless hatred. The honest response to racial issues is always the best. No need to use inflammatory language or rhetoric. Doing so is makes you no better than our foul friend Rev Jerimiah Wright {curse his name}.
Wisdom is the answer, not acting foolish...
muman613
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I want to be able to say "N---R" once in a while; shvartsa just doesn't have the same "ring", you know what I mean?
They don't even let people say it on StørmFrønt! How retarded is THAT?
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I want to be able to say "schvartza" once in a while; shvartsa just doesn't have the same "ring", you know what I mean?
They don't even let people say it on StørmFrønt! How retarded is THAT?
Hi JewishAmericanPatriot,
I know what your saying there... Even I got in trouble on one forum for saying that word... Thats crazy..
muman613
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I'm not hijacking your thread, I voted yes.
I'm talking to American Anti-semite and White Israelite.
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.
I dont think JTF is politically correct.
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Chaim used to say n_gger.
He stopped that for the election.
Now that we have a w-gger for president, we should be able to say n_gger.
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I miss the old fashion full programs that were posted every Wednesday. I used to wait the entire week for them to be posted.
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Chaim used to say n_gger.
He stopped that for the election.
Now that we have a w-gger for president, we should be able to say n_gger.
Really? I don't remember him using that word.
Just a few years ago he said n_gger lots of times.
More than ten years ago, he used to refer to n_ggers as n_ggers outright.
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Chaim used to say n_gger.
He stopped that for the election.
Now that we have a w-gger for president, we should be able to say n_gger.
Really? I don't remember him using that word.
Just a few years ago he said n_gger lots of times.
More than ten years ago, he used to refer to n_ggers as n_ggers outright.
In my opinion there are n_gers and there are African Americans. Not all people of color are n_gers and I make a distinction between the two. I know the difference and will not use a blanket term for all of those people.
muman613
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What's the point of insulting Blacks? Obama, who is Leftist, was voted mostly by Whites. By racist slurs, you'll only turn Jews towards the Left.
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I agree that there are black people and there are Ns, but "African American" is too PC for me. lol
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I agree that there are black people and there are Ns, but "African American" is too PC for me. lol
I agree! The black comedian, Chris Rock, even said in one of his comedy episodes, "There are black people, and there are N****rs, and N****rs have got to go! Man, I wish they'd let me join the Ku Klux Klan, I'd do a driveby and hit a brutha"! (yes, he really said that, lol!) :::D
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In my opinion there are n_gers and there are African Americans.
African-Americans?
Oy vey! ::)
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Alright, stone me... I dont care if you call them black or whatever...
muman613
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In my opinion there are n_gers and there are African Americans.
African-Americans?
Oy vey! ::)
I agree with you Scriabin. After all that shvartzas have done to us, it is not our job to go and find " Afican Americans." They are [censored] to me.
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
I still sigh because my dad has an annoying habit of referring to little people/people with dwarfism as midgets. At least I got him to understand not to say it around them because it could hurt their feelings. That's about as PC as I get though.
I call them little people, or the mexican midgets, I call them nuggets.
I believe the appropriate term is IBM (Itty Bitty Mexicans)
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I want to be able to say "N---R" once in a while; shvartsa just doesn't have the same "ring", you know what I mean?
They don't even let people say it on StørmFrønt! How retarded is THAT?
What??? Maybe because they prefer to say Nehygrow.
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Chaim used to say n_gger.
He stopped that for the election.
Now that we have a w-gger for president, we should be able to say n_gger.
YES... I think the the PC bit was just temporary!!!!!
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what do you mean by old ways?
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.
umm..JTF is more enlightened and more evolved...we aren't a bunch of monkeys who everything that isn't bananas..not quite sure if we were ever like that.
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k, readying through the threads..I think JTF is better than it ever was and as a long way to go to be teh best it can be. This movement is a normal grass roots movement with legitimate thought. Much more refined than it has ever been and much less crude and more presentable. This is the only way that JTF might become a mass movement...not acting in the same sort of way our enemies act against us and other righteous people...as I said, we aren't a bunch of monkeys that will have nothing else but just bananas.
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When has JTF ever been politically correct?
I still sigh because my dad has an annoying habit of referring to little people/people with dwarfism as midgets. At least I got him to understand not to say it around them because it could hurt their feelings. That's about as PC as I get though.
I call them little people, or the mexican midgets, I call them nuggets.
I believe the appropriate term is IBM (Itty Bitty Mexicans)
:::D You guys are so funny.
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Can South African whites and Indians who move to the US be called, African Americans?
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Can South African whites and Indians who move to the US be called, African Americans?
good point and great arguement!
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Can South African whites and Indians who move to the US be called, African Americans?
I've heard of a Jewish girl whose father was born in Morocco that tried to register to college as an African-American. She wanted to get the AA benefits but I don't k now if her plan came through.
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At this point I really don't care about black negro african americans versus n_ggers.
We gave the whole damn country to them.
Now the whole s__t load of them will flood this once great country.
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When JTF made the decision to become more main stream in their positions held about the animals that are destroying America and by extension the rest of world society I though it was a great mistake. The movement away from our early policy was not all that great but its is enough to get us moving in the wrong direction and cause us to loose sight of our Conservative values over time. I think Chaim himself now sees the mistake it was to temper our message in an effort to make us more appealing to the multitudes. JTF should be speaking out about evil people and roundly ridiculing them in every way possible. Also if people in the questionable groups do positive things we at JTF should also highlight that. We want like minded people in our movement that will work for the targeted goal of a strong America and Israel. Over the next year or so I am sure Obama will try to put in place policy that impacts what is being said over the air and on the web. That in mind we need to find ways to get our positions across and not become muzzled by policy that would hamper the goals of our movement.
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When JTF made the decision to become more main stream in their positions held about the animals that are destroying America and by extension the rest of world society I though it was a great mistake. The movement away from our early policy was not all that great but its is enough to get us moving in the wrong direction and cause us to loose sight of our Conservative values over time. I think Chaim himself now sees the mistake it was to temper our message in an effort to make us more appealing to the multitudes. JTF should be speaking out about evil people and roundly ridiculing them in every way possible. Also if people in the questionable groups do positive things we at JTF should also highlight that. We want like minded people in our movement that will work for the targeted goal of a strong America and Israel. Over the next year or so I am sure Obama will try to put in place policy that impacts what is being said over the air and on the web. That in mind we need to find ways to get our positions across and not become muzzled by policy that would hamper the goals of our movement.
Precisely.
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Chaim said that a lot of people objected to the old JTF because of racial language, etc.
This poll says otherwise.
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Chaim said that a lot of people objected to the old JTF because of racial language, etc.
This poll says otherwise.
I also enjoyed when JTF had a bit more of an edge...although I can understand the reasoning behind the change.
I'll vote now.
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Chaim said that a lot of people objected to the old JTF because of racial language, etc.
This poll says otherwise.
I also think that Chaim is losing his anger as he gets older.
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Chaim said that a lot of people objected to the old JTF because of racial language, etc.
This poll says otherwise.
I also think that Chaim is losing his anger as he gets older.
Do you? I think he is just using it in a different way.
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Chaim said that a lot of people objected to the old JTF because of racial language, etc.
This poll says otherwise.
I also think that Chaim is losing his anger as he gets older.
Hahaha... kinda like my dad.
I think he's just as angry... but I think this was more of a strategic move. Maybe it was only meant to be short term anyway.
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The first time someone tried to show me JTF I clicked on the latest "Ask JTF" and heard Chaim talking about black people and it turned me off. I didn't undersand why he was speaking that way about them. It was only later that I understood and agreed with him.
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I think JTF should stand for the rights of the citizens of
1. religious freedom
2. personal freedom
3. economic freedom
And it should stand for the guarantee of this rights against all wicked evil people who want to take it away from the citizens, like Muslims, Socialists, Nazis and black supremacists. Every group on his own way.
Imo a natural economic order combined with strict law & order would be totally sufficient to end this whole spook from that we suffer today.
Imagine the USA/EU would end nutrient help to Egypt i.e.
The whole land would be in flames beneath a week and the Muslim oil countries had to help them out. Alone fair nutrient prices on the worldmarket without subsidies would consume great parts of the oil money.
Our countries are causing the problems, but not in the twisted way selfhaters think. The exposing of this truth should be a central point of JTF.
Chaim spoke often about this points.
I think it is necessary to improve and not to go back to old times. The real points hurt people, like Wright, Jackson, Farakhan etc. more than 100 King Kong videos.
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Well?
I think so.
Political correctness be damned!
What old ways?
You haven't given any details as to what you are talking about. Just a yes/no poll of a question I haven't seen.
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I think JTF should stand for the rights of the citizens of
1. religious freedom
2. personal freedom
3. economic freedom
And it should stand for the guarantee of this rights against all wicked evil people who want to take it away from the citizens, like Muslims, Socialists, Nazis and black supremacists. Every group on his own way.
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Do you mean -remove those rights- from evil people that take those rights away from their citizens?
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Well?
I think so.
Political correctness be damned!
What old ways?
You haven't given any details as to what you are talking about. Just a yes/no poll of a question I haven't seen.
Apparently, you're the only one that doesn't understand what I mean.
I'm talking about the fact that Chaim has changed his tone over the past year or two. He said so himself.
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I think JTF should stand for the rights of the citizens of
1. religious freedom
2. personal freedom
3. economic freedom
And it should stand for the guarantee of this rights against all wicked evil people who want to take it away from the citizens, like Muslims, Socialists, Nazis and black supremacists. Every group on his own way.
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Do you mean -remove those rights- from evil people that take those rights away from their citizens?
Yes, I think freedom must be defended. It is suicide to grant rights to people that want to de-establish our rights.
I didn't want to live in a system of collectivism or worse in a class society with masters, like Islamic or Nazi societies that have all rights and I would be totally dependent to their grace.
Chaim said once, that this people have no rights to nothing. I agree.
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Chaim said once, that this people have no rights to nothing. I agree.
He wouldn't have said that..
"No rights to nothing" , is the kind of english that uneducated people use, and if you think about it, it means rights to something. Because not nothing is something. Not none is some.
You mean, "no rights to anything".
People in Britain that say "Don't know nothing" normally say "Don't no nuffin". Because they can't pronounce English either.
Side note - A person that says "Doesn't know nothing" , if he says it in an intelligent way, might not be uneducated and may intentionally mean to say that somebody isn't totally ignorant.
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Chaim said once, that this people have no rights to nothing. I agree.
He wouldn't have said that..
"No rights to nothing" , is the kind of english that uneducated people use, and if you think about it, it means rights to something. Because not nothing is something. Not none is some.
You mean, "no rights to anything".
People in Britain that say "Don't know nothing" normally say "Don't no nuffin". Because they can't pronounce English either.
Side note - A person that says "Doesn't know nothing" , if he says it in an intelligent way, might not be uneducated and may intentionally mean to say that somebody isn't totally ignorant.
Yes you are right. Is this the double negation?
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Well?
I think so.
Political correctness be damned!
What old ways?
You haven't given any details as to what you are talking about. Just a yes/no poll of a question I haven't seen.
Apparently, you're the only one that doesn't understand what I mean.
I'm talking about the fact that Chaim has changed his tone over the past year or two. He said so himself.
Well if you want my opinion, describe it. I'm not a mindreader.
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Chaim said once, that this people have no rights to nothing. I agree.
He wouldn't have said that..
"No rights to nothing" , is the kind of english that uneducated people use, and if you think about it, it means rights to something. Because not nothing is something. Not none is some.
You mean, "no rights to anything".
People in Britain that say "Don't know nothing" normally say "Don't no nuffin". Because they can't pronounce English either.
Side note - A person that says "Doesn't know nothing" , if he says it in an intelligent way, might not be uneducated and may intentionally mean to say that somebody isn't totally ignorant.
Yes you are right. Is this the double negation?
It's called a double negative. There is even a wikipedia on it, with that title
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative
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The first time someone tried to show me JTF I clicked on the latest "Ask JTF" and heard Chaim talking about black people and it turned me off. I didn't undersand why he was speaking that way about them. It was only later that I understood and agreed with him.
This is what happened to me. I was put off, and then I came around. It had taken me - oh, maybe a month or two. That's the whole point with JTF - it tells the truth! That's what's great about it. We cannot achieve a cultural/political/social/religious revolution we are striving for until we start telling the truth about race. The lies about race are the cornerstonenof the Politically Correct Global Order. We cannot overturn it by being "moderate." There are zillions of "moderate" movements, and they are all small. The people who don't come around and keep harping about political correctness are not worth keeping in this movement in the first place. We are going to grow big without them. Listening to them will keep us small. We must be passionate, angry, and outrageous in order to challenge people and capture their attention. We need to be agents-provocateurs! I like it the way Chaim put it in one of the earlier program: we should not be afraid to ridicule our enemies. That's my opinion.
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I like it the way Chaim put it in one of the earlier program: we should not be afraid to ridicule our enemies. That's my opinion.
Amen... I believe Mel Brooks said that as well.
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What are the "old ways" of JTF and how do they differ from the ways of today?
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regarding the dubble negation... we need some Suid-Afrikaner here again...
The double negation is the official language to say...
They have no rights to anything (at All) _> Sei hebben geen rechte op niks nie....
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What are the "old ways" of JTF and how do they differ from the ways of today?
Less politically correct. More outspoken.
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I'm talking about the fact that Chaim has changed his tone over the past year or two. He said so himself.
I noticed a toned-down rhetotic in the last couple of months.
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I'm talking about the fact that Chaim has changed his tone over the past year or two. He said so himself.
I noticed a toned-down rhetotic in the last couple of months.
on askjtf?
where are the regular videos now?
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I'm talking about the fact that Chaim has changed his tone over the past year or two. He said so himself.
I noticed a toned-down rhetotic in the last couple of months.
on askjtf?
where are the regular videos now?
Yes, when Chaim keeps emphasizing dozens if times per program that we are not racists. We are not against people's skin color. We are just against their culture.
Now my take is: who cares whether this is in their genes or their culture? Who cares? Let them do their own reserach and try to prove that their evilness, agressiveness, lazyness, stupidity is in their culture, not in their genes. I DON'T CARE WHERE IT RESIDES. For all I know, this culture/nature dichotomy may be totally false - a product of today's political correctness. And the truth is that you can't separate nature from culture. I don't want to be dragged into a discussion of whether black behavior is a result of their nature or culture. The moment I accept these terms, I have already surrendered to the discourse of political correctness of Global Multiculturalism. I will choose my own terms of debate and will not have them imposed on me.
I am very angry right now because a Jewish schoolmate of my daughter - a little guy, small for his age - was physically attacked and robbed by a black animal two days ago in the middle of the city at a bus stop. His money, bus card, cell phone - all were taken. He couldn't call his parents and couldn't take the bus home. His mother was calling around frantic. He is OK, luckily.
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Yes, when Chaim keeps emphasizing dozens if times per program that we are not racists. We are not against people's skin color. We are just against their culture.
Now my take is: who cares whether this is in their genes or their culture? Who cares? Let them do their own reserach and try to prove that their evilness, agressiveness, lazyness, stupidity is in their culture, not in their genes. I DON'T CARE WHERE IT RESIDES. For all I know, this culture/nature dichotomy may be totally false - a product of today's political correctness. And the truth is that you can't separate nature from culture. I don't want to be dragged into a discussion of whether black behavior is a result of their nature or culture. The moment I accept these terms, I have already surrendered to the discourse of political correctness of Global Multiculturalism. I will choose my own terms of debate and will not have them imposed on me.
Great post.
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Great post.
Thanks!
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I prefer the older JTF. This is not to discredit the way things are now, but I can say that for myself, and I am sure for so many of you, when I first discovered JTF is was that bold, take no prisoners style that drew me to it. But if it is believed that a newer format is needed, I will respect that decision.
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Chaim used to say n_gger.
He stopped that for the election.
Now that we have a w-gger for president, we should be able to say n_gger.
Really? I don't remember him using that word.
Just a few years ago he said n_gger lots of times.
More than ten years ago, he used to refer to n_ggers as n_ggers outright.
In my opinion there are n_gers and there are African Americans. Not all people of color are n_gers and I make a distinction between the two. I know the difference and will not use a blanket term for all of those people.
muman613
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai6ZNJv0UEk&feature=related :laugh:
Anyway i think that using that word is now illegal, or soo I was told.
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For example, look at our numbers.
They've never been lower.
Ok, I think I'll respond to this.
Are you serious? Our numbers have never been higher! We are growing by leaps and bounds!
Scriabin, you sound quite insulting and disrespectful to Chaim. I am just in shock at the bad attitude, language, and tone. You throw this type of argument out there as if our message has changed. I mean, what on earth are you so upset and angry about? You have a right to your opinion and you could have made your position clear without taking stabs at Chaim and our movement publicly in the forum. I am a bit taken back.
We are trying to become a mass movement to save Israel and America. Do you think that Rabbi Kahane would have a problem with our presentation? Perhaps you should think about this. We are FAR from being politically correct... FAR from it!
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For example, look at our numbers.
They've never been lower.
Ok, I think I'll respond to this.
Are you serious? Our numbers have never been higher! We are growing by leaps and bounds!
Scriabin, you sound quite insulting and disrespectful to Chaim. I am just in shock at the bad attitude, language, and tone. You throw this type of argument out there as if our message has changed. I mean, what on earth are you so upset and angry about? You have a right to your opinion and you could have made your position clear without taking stabs at Chaim and our movement publicly in the forum. I am a bit taken back.
We are trying to become a mass movement to save Israel and America. Do you think that Rabbi Kahane would have a problem with our presentation? Perhaps you should think about this. We are FAR from being politically correct... FAR from it!
We're all entitled to our own opinions, are we not?
This isn't a cult, is it?
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Remember, Chaim is trying to get into Israel. Therefore, we must come across as morally unassailable.
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I love Chaim and all that he has done for righteous people throughout his life.
Anyone that questions my respect for Chaim is no friend of mine.
In what way have I "taken stabs" at Chaim and JTF?
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By political correctness being put into place we're limiting our free speech. Then again the goal is to recruit rightous people and don't want to be portrayed as racist.
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How bout this? After Obama gets in office... we should go back to being LESS P.C. Once Obama kicks in his 'fairness doctrine' and puts JTF in his sites... I say... BRING IT ON!!!!
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In what way have I "taken stabs" at Chaim and JTF?
Here:
I hope that Chaim forgoes the PC BS.
JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.
Political correctness [i.e. from JTF] be damned!
Free speech, without FEAR!
This isn't a cult, is it?
Posting that Chaim spouts "PC BS", asking if JTF is a cult, or stating that we are politically correct by using fear... I would safely say those things could be classified as "stabs". They certainly aren't compliments.
That's the thing about free speech and not having censorship. You get to state your opinion, which you obviously have, and I get to state mine.
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In what way have I "taken stabs" at Chaim and JTF?
Here:
I hope that Chaim forgoes the PC BS.
JTF is politically correct now...relatively speaking.
Political correctness [i.e. from JTF] be damned!
Free speech, without FEAR!
This isn't a cult, is it?
Posting that Chaim spouts "PC BS", asking if JTF is a cult, or stating that we are politically correct by using fear... I would safely say those things could be classified as "stabs". They certainly aren't compliments.
That's the thing about free speech and not having censorship. You get to state your opinion, which you obviously have, and I get to state mine.
So what?
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I'm talking about the fact that Chaim has changed his tone over the past year or two. He said so himself.
I noticed a toned-down rhetotic in the last couple of months.
on askjtf?
where are the regular videos now?
Yes, when Chaim keeps emphasizing dozens if times per program that we are not racists. We are not against people's skin color. We are just against their culture.
Now my take is: who cares whether this is in their genes or their culture? Who cares? Let them do their own reserach and try to prove that their evilness, agressiveness, lazyness, stupidity is in their culture, not in their genes. I DON'T CARE WHERE IT RESIDES. For all I know, this culture/nature dichotomy may be totally false - a product of today's political correctness. And the truth is that you can't separate nature from culture. I don't want to be dragged into a discussion of whether black behavior is a result of their nature or culture. The moment I accept these terms, I have already surrendered to the discourse of political correctness of Global Multiculturalism. I will choose my own terms of debate and will not have them imposed on me.
I am very angry right now because a Jewish schoolmate of my daughter - a little guy, small for his age - was physically attacked and robbed by a black animal two days ago in the middle of the city at a bus stop. His money, bus card, cell phone - all were taken. He couldn't call his parents and couldn't take the bus home. His mother was calling around frantic. He is OK, luckily.
People who don't live near ghetto blacks always have great opinions about them. This idea that people who are "Rednecks" and have never seen black people and hate them because of it is completely false. Most of the liberal white areas have 0 ghetto blacks and those are the places where they exalt them.
Also, in regards to having your phone stolen. There's a program called www.loopt.com that you can install on your cell phone. It will let you pinpoint your phones location within a block or so from a friends phone without any notification. It's a good way to get your phone back!
Make sure you get a phone with aGPS technology (as opposed to GPS which just works off the towers) so you can find your phone even when it's off. These work off satellites and you can pay a visit to ther person who has your phone.
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NorthwestJTF,
I will tell you from my experience that I have exposure to blacks and have made my opinion based on my real life experiences. Let me relate to you that I had my nose broken by Venice Shoreline Crips back in 1988 when I lived in Marina Del Rey with my dad. During my crazy days of my 20s I lived in Venice and hooked up with some pretty unsavory characters. I did some very bad things back then and actually ended up living with some nuggers. I mean they were terrible, besides being crack dealers and junkies, they also were abusing their kid and not caring for him while they got high. They were involved with robbery and theft and basically would be considered wicked people. Yet I lived for 1 1/2 years in this environment. I was able to get out of it because I was smarter than the rest and because of a good job and moving out of the environment I was able to change my ways. These are the kinds of blacks who I would call nuggers because they even admitted that they wanted to stick it to whitey. I've heard that expression from a lot of nuggers because, to me, that's what makes em nuggers.
On the other hand I also know some very unsavory white folks who are thieves, who are sexually immoral, and drug fiends. It just so happens that more of these low-lifes I used to know are white {those still alive or in jail}.
I also happen to work with wonderful people from all around the world. Some of these people are black, some of them are French blacks, all kinds of people. And they are good people who work hard and contribute to the growth of my company. They are kind to me and I cannot harbor any hatred for them.
So my position is that judging people solely based on color of skin is not wise. All people have the ability to make something of themselves. I do know some black Orthodox Jews and they too are good and honest people. So lets call a spade a spade, and give credit where credit is due. Someone mentioned Bill Cosby whom I admire. His show is one of the only shows which star black Americans which really has stories with moral underpinnings. For this Cosby deserves quite a lot of merit.
muman613
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NorthwestJTF,
I will tell you from my experience that I have exposure to blacks and have made my opinion based on my real life experiences. Let me relate to you that I had my nose broken by Venice Shoreline Crips back in 1988 when I lived in Marina Del Rey with my dad. During my crazy days of my 20s I lived in Venice and hooked up with some pretty unsavory characters. I did some very bad things back then and actually ended up living with some nuggers. I mean they were terrible, besides being crack dealers and junkies, they also were abusing their kid and not caring for him while they got high. They were involved with robbery and theft and basically would be considered wicked people. Yet I lived for 1 1/2 years in this environment. I was able to get out of it because I was smarter than the rest and because of a good job and moving out of the environment I was able to change my ways. These are the kinds of blacks who I would call nuggers because they even admitted that they wanted to stick it to whitey. I've heard that expression from a lot of nuggers because, to me, that's what makes em nuggers.
On the other hand I also know some very unsavory white folks who are thieves, who are sexually immoral, and drug fiends. It just so happens that more of these low-lifes I used to know are white {those still alive or in jail}.
I also happen to work with wonderful people from all around the world. Some of these people are black, some of them are French blacks, all kinds of people. And they are good people who work hard and contribute to the growth of my company. They are kind to me and I cannot harbor any hatred for them.
So my position is that judging people solely based on color of skin is not wise. All people have the ability to make something of themselves. I do know some black Orthodox Jews and they too are good and honest people. So lets call a spade a spade, and give credit where credit is due. Someone mentioned Bill Cosby whom I admire. His show is one of the only shows which star black Americans which really has stories with moral underpinnings. For this Cosby deserves quite a lot of merit.
muman613
Muman
I don't hate anyone because of their race or skin color. That's why I put "ghetto blacks." I always mention that many people who come from Africa to America are hard working and not bad people. I'm actually on the PC side of JTF I think. I'm just so sick of everyone saying how great blacks are and white people are behind all the problems in the world. I could easily say I hate black people because there's no repercussions online but I don't. I think it would be horrible to look at a black person and say, "I hate him and there's nothing he can do to change being black." I even think Bernie Mac (even with some scummy movies) had a good representation of a black family on his show. He showed the ups and downs of family life but he has moral standards in the show and shows he cares for his adopted family. He doesn't "act white" and still does this.
That being said, black ghetto culture is in conflict with civilization. I don't care about any other group because they don't threaten me at all (except Muslims and Nazis of course). I've been robbed only by blacks in my life and a large majority of black people in modern American society are outright hostile towards whites all the time. Every black hip hop club in WA has to be shut down because of the constant fights and shootings. It's not some isolated incident. If you go to the movie or take a city bus you don't see Asians or Indians making an unbelievable amount of noise or getting into fights.
Also, I'm not going to defend white people as perfect by any means. There are countless examples just in my backyard of the scummiest white people you will ever see. We have a ton of white urban garbadge that would make the most pro white person cringe. That is a sign of declining morality and respect in our society. Also, the vast majority of white garbadge tries to emulate black ghetto culture.
Small towns used to be great places to live in WA. Now they are nightmares with meth addicts everywhere and they can be just as dangerous as the ghetto. This is a sign of decline but blacks (with a 70% illegitimacy rate) have been leading the charge of the cliff.
Even now, white trash who break into cars and rip people off are still marginalized. The worst parts of black culture are given bay most blacks as something they want to emulate. You can't have a rational conversation with a black about it anyways because they will always protect the worst black garbadge if a white person is the one criticizing.
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By political correctness being put into place we're limiting our free speech. Then again the goal is to recruit rightous people and don't want to be portrayed as racist.
Listen, if you want your message to be effective for a certain cause, you have sometimes watch how you say things and not just rant them and say them...Otherwise, you'll be seen as a babbling idiot..
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Somebody doctored the no votes!
Hey, it happened often, that in the beginning of a poll here on the forum one wing was leading and later it turned, because of the dicussion, completely.
I didn't think somebody has falsified the poll.
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What - now all is changed :o
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I voted YES.
JTF is dying in USA, is it the motive here now to get RID of Americans on JTF? I realize that the movement in Israel is big, and this is great. There is NO place for American Christians to support Israel now, and USA effects Israel and the vc/versa. I liked doing audios, I dont know HOW to put them up, some of my audios were late getting put up, and now David does none, b/c Davids concern is America, since neither one of us now can probably ever go to Israel. Besides, what people are NOT getting, is that CHRISTIANS are the ONES that will be facing the holocaust here in USA, with a COMMUNIST in charge. THEY NEED US NOW, not the vc/versa.
David ben Moshe told me that this forum use to have MANY visitors- a LOT, I know he is telling the TRUTH. You people that are the leaders need to RE GROUP and figure OUT WHAT has happened here, b/c My free speech here is NOT ALLOWED, so- I will say NO more.
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I voted YES.
JTF is dying in USA, is it the motive here now to get RID of Americans on JTF? I realize that the movement in Israel is big, and this is great. There is NO place for American Christians to support Israel now, and USA effects Israel and the vc/versa. I liked doing audios, I dont know HOW to put them up, some of my audios were late getting put up, and now David does none, b/c Davids concern is America, since neither one of us now can probably ever go to Israel. Besides, what people are NOT getting, is that CHRISTIANS are the ONES that will be facing the holocaust here in USA, with a COMMUNIST in charge. THEY NEED US NOW, not the vc/versa.
David ben Moshe told me that this forum use to have MANY visitors- a LOT, I know he is telling the TRUTH. You people that are the leaders need to RE GROUP and figure OUT WHAT has happened here, b/c My free speech here is NOT ALLOWED, so- I will say NO more.
David is GREATLY missed!
Tell him I said 'hi'.
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People who don't live near ghetto blacks always have great opinions about them. This idea that people who are "Rednecks" and have never seen black people and hate them because of it is completely false. Most of the liberal white areas have 0 ghetto blacks and those are the places where they exalt them.
Yes... which explains why Maine voted 65% Obama... but the whites in the south voted 65% Mccaine.
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WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON????? Somebody doctored the votes????? This is seriously frightening if it is true!!!
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WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON????? Somebody doctored the votes????? This is seriously frightening if it is true!!!
Yeah, its sadly true.
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I voted YES.
JTF is dying in USA, is it the motive here now to get RID of Americans on JTF? I realize that the movement in Israel is big, and this is great. There is NO place for American Christians to support Israel now, and USA effects Israel and the vc/versa. I liked doing audios, I dont know HOW to put them up, some of my audios were late getting put up, and now David does none, b/c Davids concern is America, since neither one of us now can probably ever go to Israel. Besides, what people are NOT getting, is that CHRISTIANS are the ONES that will be facing the holocaust here in USA, with a COMMUNIST in charge. THEY NEED US NOW, not the vc/versa.
David ben Moshe told me that this forum use to have MANY visitors- a LOT, I know he is telling the TRUTH. You people that are the leaders need to RE GROUP and figure OUT WHAT has happened here, b/c My free speech here is NOT ALLOWED, so- I will say NO more.
Your rant is borderline delusional. Please state your sources that deal with the number of visitors to this site? My source is the bottom of the main forum page:
Most Online Ever: 1753 (September 08, 2008, 09:12:39 AM)
The forum is just as popular as it ever was and it gains new members everyday. This entire thread is filled with paranoia and baseless accusations. Chaim has not changed, Chaim is not PC, and JTF continues to grow and say things that no mainstream person would dare say.
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Most Online Ever: 1753 (September 08, 2008, 09:12:39 AM)
That was then. I'm talking about NOW.
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This entire thread is filled with paranoia and baseless accusations.
Did you notice that the 'no' votes were doctored?
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I think Baltimore is right. We have not lost popularity. Here is an independend source: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/jtf.org
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I think Baltimore is right. We have not lost popularity. Here is an independend source: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/jtf.org
Actually... looking at that Graph... we have lost popularity. Its a bit more evident when you expand it to 'Max'
However.... there is a spike in the last 2 weeks... because people are starting to seek an anti-obama refuge. Lets make sure they stay here.
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I think the opposite is true.
If you look at the 3 month statistic, we became more and more popular.
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What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!
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What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!
if you look at the text asking to vote, then after the word No, it says doctored in brackets.
DUH! How did you think he "knew"?!
;-)
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What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!
The number of 'no' votes nearly quadrupled in a VERY short period of time.
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What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!
if you look at the text asking to vote, then after the word No, it says doctored in brackets.
DUH! How did you think he "knew"?!
;-)
What? Are you suggesting that I added twelve or thirteen votes to the 'no' column? That would be totally contrary to the point that I'm trying to make.
Furthermore, I don't have the ability to change votes. Only an administrator can do that.
Try it yourself. Start a poll and see if you can change the votes as you suggest I'm doing.
You're a first-class schmuck, q q.
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Posting that Chaim spouts "PC BS", asking if JTF is a cult, or stating that we are politically correct by using fear... I would safely say those things could be classified as "stabs". They certainly aren't compliments.
That's the thing about free speech and not having censorship. You get to state your opinion, which you obviously have, and I get to state mine.
1) I know that JTF is NOT a cult. That's why I asked that rhetorical question.
2) I never said that JTF is "politically correct by using fear". I honestly don't know what that means. Please don't misunderstand my words the way that you have misunderstood other people's words in the past. I certainly don't think that JTF is politically correct but I do think that JTF has taken a small shift away from the kind of 'extreme' language that we used to hear from Chaim. That's what I'm talking about.
3) I do not think that Chaim, "spouts PC BS". My use of the word 'BS' was NOT a criticism of Chaim, it was a shot at the concept of political correctness in general.
4) I will always love and support JTF. People can think what they want to think, that's their business.
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What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!
if you look at the text asking to vote, then after the word No, it says doctored in brackets.
DUH! How did you think he "knew"?!
;-)
What? Are you suggesting that I added twelve or thirteen votes to the 'no' column? That would be totally contrary to the point that I'm trying to make.
Furthermore, I don't have the ability to change votes. Only an administrator can do that.
Try it yourself. Start a poll and see if you can change the votes as you suggest I'm doing.
You're a first-class schmuck, q q.
well done, you managed to not swear
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What does Scriabin mean about doctoring the votes ?!
if you look at the text asking to vote, then after the word No, it says doctored in brackets.
DUH! How did you think he "knew"?!
;-)
What? Are you suggesting that I added twelve or thirteen votes to the 'no' column? That would be totally contrary to the point that I'm trying to make.
Furthermore, I don't have the ability to change votes. Only an administrator can do that.
Try it yourself. Start a poll and see if you can change the votes as you suggest I'm doing.
You're a first-class schmuck, q q.
well done, you managed to not swear
And you nearly managed being humerous.
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You're a first-class schmuck, q q.
well done, you managed to not swear
And you nearly managed being humerous.
I'm totally serious. Well done.
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Here is an example of the old ways:
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
What a great program. Thanks for posting it! First, I was laughing hysterically, and by the end of the program, I was touched to tears. I experienced the whole gamut of emotions. This was really powerful. Really really powerful. Chaim has a great gift of oration. You can't train it, it's inborn.
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Somebody doctored the no votes!
Scriabin, who on earth would "doctor the votes" and for what reason?? That ridiculous accusation made in super huge red font is just absurd at best and is meant to cause trouble. You think that me, Chaim, or Lisa need to worry about modifying your polls? Plus, just to make certain, I checked the admin logs and no moderator has modified your poll either.
Please stop trying to make problems in the forum. I don't know why you are so angry these days and feel that you need to behave like this. It's not the same Scriabin I used to know.
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Scriabin, who on earth would "doctor the votes" and for what reason?? That ridiculous accusation made in super huge red font is just absurd at best and is meant to cause trouble.
I can't explain how more than ten votes suddenly appeared in the 'no' column between yesterday night and this morning.
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You're a first-class schmuck, q q.
well done, you managed to not swear
And you nearly managed being humerous.
I'm totally serious. Well done.
I'm also serious about you being a schmuck.
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Scriabin, who on earth would "doctor the votes" and for what reason?? That ridiculous accusation made in super huge red font is just absurd at best and is meant to cause trouble.
I can't explain how more than ten votes suddenly appeared in the 'no' column between yesterday night and this morning.
It was probably newer members or maybe people who voted but didn't post in the thread. I'm sure nobody messed with the poll Scriabin. Remember this is the same old JTF and the principles never changed, the message never changed, just the means of delivery. JTF is still very highly un-PC. I mean for the last several months JTF had "Jews against Obama!" That phrase itself could anger a lot of people.
I love those old videos and programs and I voted yes in your poll, but if Chaim feels doing it another way right now is best then I think we should trust him. He's very good at predicting things. He still feels and thinks the same way he always did I'm pretty sure of that.
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I was one of those NO's!
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I was one of those NO's!
How many votes did you cast?
This poll has been rigged.
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I was one of those NO's!
How many votes did you cast?
This poll has been rigged.
do a revote of my poll...
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Do another poll if you feel so strongly about it.
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lisa i did one already which is more articulate.
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Here is an example of the old ways:
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
What a great program. Thanks for posting it! First, I was laughing hysterically, and by the end of the program, I was touched to tears. I experienced the whole gamut of emotions. This was really powerful. Really really powerful. Chaim has a great gift of oration. You can't train it, it's inborn.
A CLASSIC! Everyone should listen to it. Chaim was on fire that day. I was laughing out loud numerous times during that one.
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"We need to bury respectability before respectability buries us."
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Here is an example of the old ways:
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
This is EXACTLY what I'm begging for.
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Here is an example of the old ways:
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
This is EXACTLY what I'm begging for.
Its ironic that this old program is a breath of fresh air!
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Man, this program is AWESOME!:
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
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At least we're respectable now.
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We have a dilemma. We need to appeal to a broader base, in order to build a mass movement. On the other hand, what do movements do when they try to broaden their appeal? They compromise. The original format appealed to people who are most forward-thinking, unconventional, irreverent, iconoclastic, most immune to being brain-washed. This is the most radical element. Every revolutionary movement needs one. These would make up the backbone of the movement, its most dedicated core - but they need to be fired up from time to time by Chaim's speeches. Yet there is a lot of the untapped potential out there - people of this kind who have not yet discovered JTF. Also, the minds of some of the more conventional audience are capable of being gradually radicalized.
I was thinking - perhaps a "pre-Chaim" would do. You get a milder version of Chaim, who could be Chaim himself or another person, and later, when you get acclimated, you get admittance to the "holiest of holies," where you get access to real Chaim. But how to actually implement it, I have no idea.
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"We need to bury respectability before respectability buries us."
Have you ever heard rabbi kahane speak?
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Man, this program is AWESOME!:
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
That is exactly the same program that DanBenNoah posted earlier on in the thread. Do you want people that already have it and listened to it, to download it again ?
Credit goes to DanBenNoah for finding that program.
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Scriabin you are an articulate and intelligent man, can't you make some audios exactly the way you like it ?
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Scriabin you are an articulate and intelligent man, can't you make some audios exactly the way you like it ?
It's not about intelligence and articulateness, believe me. You need to have talent to do it in the way that could fire people up and lead them. It's a Gift. Rabbi Kahane could do it (I saw his videos :whew: :love: :teach: ). Chaim can do it. I can't do it. I don't have the talent. My talents lie elsewhere. I don't know about Scriabin though.
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Man, this program is AWESOME!:
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
That is exactly the same program that DanBenNoah posted earlier on in the thread. Do you want people that already have it and listened to it, to download it again ?
No. I want people that DIDN'T listen to do so.
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"We need to bury respectability before respectability buries us."
Have you ever heard rabbi kahane speak?
Never live. Only on the internet.
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Credit goes to DanBenNoah for finding that program.
Absolutely.
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And we should endorse Huckabee, too!
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Brand new poll!
Re-post your votes!
:dance: :dance: :dance:
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The 9-26-01 program is one of the best ever.
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as is the program that was done after the Beslan terrrorist attack.
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Scriabin, I am starting to really agree with you on this. I hope Chaim goes back to his old ways.
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The 9-26-01 program is one of the best ever.
Is there any way you can get a link to that program?
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Scriabin you are an articulate and intelligent man, can't you make some audios exactly the way you like it ?
That's a great idea. I'd love to hear an audio by Scriabin, especially if it was uploaded to youtube. He and I don't always agree on everything of course but I'd still like to hear what he has to say.
You can do it with windows movie maker and just narrate. If I had time I'd be making more videos right now but I'm really pressed right now at the end of the semester.
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The 9-26-01 program is one of the best ever.
Is there any way you can get a link to that program?
oh come on
you saw this link surely
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/03142001a.mp3
now change the date to what you want
http://www.jtfarchive.org/audio/09262001a.mp3
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I really think Chaim WANTS to go back to his old ways, but he has had to bite his tongue the last year or so.... for a couple reasons.
So things may very well go back to the old ways.... maybe as soon as Obama gets in power.
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I voted "no".
The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel. We have a much better chance of saving both with the way the shows are done now and that's all I really care about.
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We have a much better chance of saving both with the way the shows are done now and that's all I really care about.
Do you like the fact that Chaim doesn't speak about America anymore or do you like the fact that he doesn't talk about schwartses anymore?
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The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel.
Do you think that JTF needs to become more 'respectable'?
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The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel.
Do you think that JTF needs to become more 'respectable'?
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz LOUISE! If something AINT broke- WHY FIX IT? Go back to what you all were before this terrible slaughterhouse. All of the Kahanists are GONE with the WIND, No Chaim, No David- just WORDSSSSS wordssss -like HUSSEIN obama says.
GO BACK. You DONT leave when ON TOP, THAT IS WHEN YOU HIT. THAT is how boxers WIN.
Now we are on the BOTTOM, and ONLY a MIRACLE will help THIS situation out- My G-d YOU ALL KNOW IT! IT IS TIME to COMBAT the UNRIGHTEOUS Jews AND Gentiles for HEAVENS SAKES! COME ON!!! GET GOING! MOVE YOUR ^$$!
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I voted "no".
The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel. We have a much better chance of saving both with the way the shows are done now and that's all I really care about.
Shalom Lubab,
I haven't heard from you in a while. I hope things are well by you...
muman613
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I voted "no".
The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel. We have a much better chance of saving both with the way the shows are done now and that's all I really care about.
Well said, Rabbi.
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I voted "no".
The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel. We have a much better chance of saving both with the way the shows are done now and that's all I really care about.
Well said, Rabbi.
See, I am so torn on this. I agree with Scriabin that the old shows were more entertaining and that they are sorely missed, but Lubab's post highlights some serious realities as well.
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I voted "no".
The question you must ask yourself is: am I a part of JTF for my own entertainment or to save American and Israel. We have a much better chance of saving both with the way the shows are done now and that's all I really care about.
Well said, Rabbi.
So, you're in favor of doing away with "Take Back America"?
Do you prefer the Israel-only agenda?
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People would NOT even KNOW that barack obama had the middle name of HUSSEIN if it were not for Chaim ben Pesach.
I AGREE with the Rabbi- But PLEASE- PLEASE- my G-d, cant you ALL see that this is NOT what it was???
Or am I SCREAMING at the walls as USUAL? OR POSTS getting Removed or just IGNORED.
GO BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE DOING FOR HEAVENS SAKES, the NUMBERS SHOW exactly what is going on!
NOTHING is going on THIS side of the FORUM.
Take DOWN the "Save America" if you are NOT for fighting for the USA- b/c if you ARE, THIS....................................is LAUGHABLE.
And Americans, Jew AND Christian are DEVASTATED that did NOT support this SOB Hussein. COME ON!
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This really is a very dynamic post.
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So, you're in favor of doing away with "Take Back America"?
Do you prefer the Israel-only agenda?
When did I ever say such a thing? Of course we are fighting for America and our numbers have never been higher. We don't invest our time here just to play around and waste money, development, server space, and time. JTF's message has never changed.
Scriabin, I have information that you do not have as to what's being planned for the future and I am very excited. Your thread is going to get you no where and you are making a fool of yourself and causing needless disunity. I have talked to Chaim about this thread already and you are wasting your time. I wish I could say more but we have many enemies. You'll just have to be patient.
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So, you're in favor of doing away with "Take Back America"?
Do you prefer the Israel-only agenda?
When did I ever say such a thing? Of course we are fighting for America and our numbers have never been higher. We don't invest our time here just to play around and waste money, development, server space, and time. JTF's message has never changed.
Scriabin, I have information that you do not have as to what's being planned for the future and I am very excited. Your thread is going to get you no where and you are making a fool of yourself and causing needless disunity. I have talked to Chaim about this thread already and you are wasting your time. I wish I could say more but we have many enemies. You'll just have to be patient.
I'm not wasting my time if most people agree with me.
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So, you're in favor of doing away with "Take Back America"?
Do you prefer the Israel-only agenda?
When did I ever say such a thing? Of course we are fighting for America and our numbers have never been higher. We don't invest our time here just to play around and waste money, development, server space, and time. JTF's message has never changed.
Scriabin, I have information that you do not have as to what's being planned for the future and I am very excited. Your thread is going to get you no where and you are making a fool of yourself and causing needless disunity. I have talked to Chaim about this thread already and you are wasting your time. I wish I could say more but we have many enemies. You'll just have to be patient.
I'm not wasting my time if most people agree with me.
Actually more people said No then Yes, so that means most of the people agree with you. Continue to waste your time.
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So, you're in favor of doing away with "Take Back America"?
Do you prefer the Israel-only agenda?
When did I ever say such a thing? Of course we are fighting for America and our numbers have never been higher. We don't invest our time here just to play around and waste money, development, server space, and time. JTF's message has never changed.
Scriabin, I have information that you do not have as to what's being planned for the future and I am very excited. Your thread is going to get you no where and you are making a fool of yourself and causing needless disunity. I have talked to Chaim about this thread already and you are wasting your time. I wish I could say more but we have many enemies. You'll just have to be patient.
I'm not wasting my time if most people agree with me.
Actually more people said No then Yes, so that means most of the people agree with you.
That's debatable.
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So, you're in favor of doing away with "Take Back America"?
Do you prefer the Israel-only agenda?
When did I ever say such a thing? Of course we are fighting for America and our numbers have never been higher. We don't invest our time here just to play around and waste money, development, server space, and time. JTF's message has never changed.
Scriabin, I have information that you do not have as to what's being planned for the future and I am very excited. Your thread is going to get you no where and you are making a fool of yourself and causing needless disunity. I have talked to Chaim about this thread already and you are wasting your time. I wish I could say more but we have many enemies. You'll just have to be patient.
I'm not wasting my time if most people agree with me.
Continue to waste your time.
What do you care?
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So, you're in favor of doing away with "Take Back America"?
Do you prefer the Israel-only agenda?
When did I ever say such a thing? Of course we are fighting for America and our numbers have never been higher. We don't invest our time here just to play around and waste money, development, server space, and time. JTF's message has never changed.
Scriabin, I have information that you do not have as to what's being planned for the future and I am very excited. Your thread is going to get you no where and you are making a fool of yourself and causing needless disunity. I have talked to Chaim about this thread already and you are wasting your time. I wish I could say more but we have many enemies. You'll just have to be patient.
Why are you so threatened by this thread?
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People!
I said this to Shlomo earlier, and I'll say it again here.
Chaim needs to get into Israel. So for us to help him, JTF must be morally unassailable. That doesn't mean we have to love the Third World evil culture. Instead, we must defend our positions using logic and facts. Take for example the American Renaissance blog. Now I realize many of us don't like them. But the people there dislike Third World evil culture as much as we do. They attribute it to low IQ. We attribute it to freely choosing evil behavior. If you take a look at their comments, you'll never see the N word written there, or any references made to eating watermelon, among other things.
So if they can do it, we can too!
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The bottom line is that JTF is JTF.
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So, you're in favor of doing away with "Take Back America"?
Do you prefer the Israel-only agenda?
When did I ever say such a thing? Of course we are fighting for America and our numbers have never been higher. We don't invest our time here just to play around and waste money, development, server space, and time. JTF's message has never changed.
Scriabin, I have information that you do not have as to what's being planned for the future and I am very excited. Your thread is going to get you no where and you are making a fool of yourself and causing needless disunity. I have talked to Chaim about this thread already and you are wasting your time. I wish I could say more but we have many enemies. You'll just have to be patient.
I'm not wasting my time if most people agree with me.
Scriabin, I am with you. 100%. You are not alone. I suppose 1080 people that have only VIEWED this dont think it much either do they Scriabin? <EYEROLL> It's Me and Scriabin against you all, I will stand with Scriabin the Righteous Kahanist Gentile, like I stood with the Righteous Kahanist Jews that are NO LONGER HERE.
This..........................is very SAD.
Lets go have our own thread somewhere on a locked Forum, on the JTF- Scriabin, and drink a strong glass of brandy like they did b4 the sinking of the Titanic.
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JTF not caring about the USA? How odd. Why do they have this link to the G. Gordon Liddy radio show on the front of the site:
http://jtf.org/Chaim_Ben_Pesach_Radio_Interview_G_Gordon_Liddy_08-12-08.mp3
Yes, the biggest publicity JTF has received since August came via the USA based LIddy Radio show where Chaim talked about..... AMERICA!
Righteous Jews no longer on JTF? Huh? I am Jewish. Lubab is Jewish. DWI is Jewish. Takeback is Jewish. What mass Jewish exodus are you talking about?
JTF's numbers are going down? Threads and polls being altered my mystery moderators? The Titanic going down? What planet do you guys live on? This thread is filled with baseless accusations and borderline conspiracy theories.
All of this is SO SILLY! Paulette, Scriabin, and a few others... you need to calm down and get a grip.
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Ok, this is getting a bit silly.
JTF is unique because it says what it says in the way that it says it. Yes, JTF used to say things crudely...often true, but often misunderstood. Since then, more explanation and logic has been given with some of this misunderstood thoughts. I believe we can improve it a little more, but not for respectability, but for PRESENTIBILITY. We aren't scumbag low class shmucks. We are a real movement with real logical righteous intentions. We cannot act like the animals we hate by sounding hateful and stupid and crude. we have to be presentible..and I don't mean being nice...Presentible doesn't mean nice or respectable or respecting. It means explaining our points of view as eloquently as Rabbi Kahane did rather than sounding like a bunch of uneducated racist shmucks.
If you want to be sound like a racist shmuck, form your own movement. If you want to be presentable and learn how to be presentable, stick around and share your ideals. We are a great movement filled wtih educated and intelligent people and we need to learn how to sound that way.
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JTF's numbers are going down?
Yes.
Look at the number of users online, its pathetic.
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Threads and polls being altered my mystery moderators?
No mystery.
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The Titanic going down?
That's AsheDina's metaphor, not mine.
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Righteous Jews no longer on JTF? Huh? DWI is Jewish. What mass Jewish exodus are you talking about?
DWI agrees with us.
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This thread is filled with baseless accusations and borderline conspiracy theories.
No. This thread is filled with debate.
The "accusations and borderline conspiracy theories" are in the minority.
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JTF's numbers are going down?
Yes.
Look at the number of users online, its pathetic.
maybe then we need to some non Hebrew JTF videos now that Marbus thinks his work his done.
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JTF's numbers are going down?
Yes.
Look at the number of users online, its pathetic.
maybe then we need to some non Hebrew JTF videos now that Marbus thinks his work his done.
Chaim has no interest in doing non-Hebrew videos.
The truth is that he views Ask JTF as a burden.
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JTF's numbers are going down?
Yes.
Look at the number of users online, its pathetic.
maybe then we need to some non Hebrew JTF videos now that Marbus thinks his work his done.
Chaim has no interest in doing non-Hebrew videos.
The truth is that he views Ask JTF as a burden.
you think? how would you know that? and if so and you don't like it, why are you still here?
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As a Jewish based organization, I would hop that JTF would be more focused on Israel. I doubt Chaim sees Ask JTF as a burden. I just get the feeling that JTF may be in a mild slump due to lack of donations, which Chaim addressed in the last ask JTF. I think as time moves on and JTF regains focus once Obama and the Dems take over, things will change all around.
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JTF not caring about the USA? How odd. Why do they have this link to the G. Gordon Liddy radio show on the front of the site:
http://jtf.org/Chaim_Ben_Pesach_Radio_Interview_G_Gordon_Liddy_08-12-08.mp3
Yes, the biggest publicity JTF has received since August came via the USA based LIddy Radio show where Chaim talked about..... AMERICA!
Righteous Jews no longer on JTF? Huh? I am Jewish. Lubab is Jewish. DWI is Jewish. Takeback is Jewish. What mass Jewish exodus are you talking about?
JTF's numbers are going down? Threads and polls being altered my mystery moderators? The Titanic going down? What planet do you guys live on? This thread is filled with baseless accusations and borderline conspiracy theories.
All of this is SO SILLY! Paulette, Scriabin, and a few others... you need to calm down and get a grip.
Baltimore, MANY of our Jewish brothers have left or banned. This WAS an American forum also.
There is NO "conspiracy" no "accusations" and you are just being ridiculous.
I worked in corporate finance, and when #'s were DOWN, we re-evaluated for strategies that worked in the past, or moved on to a new strategy, it doesnt take an idiot to see the #'s now.
No "conspiracy' Takeback America was DAVIDs show, David is an AMERICAN Patriot. He even feels put off. I dont need to get a 'grip' I just see it for what it is. BTW: Baseball sux with third world nations playing in OUR baseball games- that is why you are STILL rude to ME.
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The Titanic going down?
That's AsheDina's metaphor, not mine.
Well, the metaphor is right. Build up AMERICA here on this forum. GO BACK to what you were doing- NO- I HATE the term N---er, so, NO- I do NOT condone THAT, there were MANY MANY MANY youtubes and TV that CHANGED people- GO BACK. IT WORKED THEN, NOT now.
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Scriabin you are a long time good member of this forum and you always have good questions and you play by the rules. I think you are confused though. The numbers are fine. It is Monday morning on the east coast and there are like 170 people online now looking at the forum. Those are fine numbers for a regular news day like today. New Threads are so popular that when you start one it is hard to keep it on the front page. We have close to 2300 members! In less than a year we have more than doubled our membership. Financial contributions are up. These are the facts when it comes to numbers. These are all POSITIVE numbers! Compare this to Kahane.org's forum. Maybe you are just a glass is half empty kind of guy but it really seems like you are set on painting a gloom and doom picture of JTF that in no way exists in reality. I am posting this for the young people out there and the new people who are reading this thread with confusion. If you have ANY questions about the numbers feel free to personally message me and I can explain them.
If David Ben Moshe is angry about something then he should bring it up to management. It is TOTALLY inappropriate for somebody out there to continue to bring up subtle accusations in a Yoko Ono (wanting to break up the Beatles= wanting to break up JTF) type of way on a public forum.
Name the Jews who have left or been kicked out of JTF. Please name them! It is not some massive list of outstanding citizens. It is a few freaks who have broken easy to follow rules.
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Name the Jews who have left or been kicked out of JTF. Please name them! It is not some massive list of outstanding citizens. It is a few freaks who have broken easy to follow rules.
On here I differ with you.
Not all those that have left or been kicked out are freaks.. Some just want to be left alone and not be spoken about. So you shouldn't ask people to name them.
There are also regulars that have been threatened with being kicked out. You could say for being freaks, breaking easy to follow rules e.t.c. But I doubt you intended to call them freaks, since they are still here.
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JTF not caring about the USA? How odd. Why do they have this link to the G. Gordon Liddy radio show on the front of the site:
http://jtf.org/Chaim_Ben_Pesach_Radio_Interview_G_Gordon_Liddy_08-12-08.mp3
Yes, the biggest publicity JTF has received since August came via the USA based LIddy Radio show where Chaim talked about..... AMERICA!
Righteous Jews no longer on JTF? Huh? I am Jewish. Lubab is Jewish. DWI is Jewish. Takeback is Jewish. What mass Jewish exodus are you talking about?
JTF's numbers are going down? Threads and polls being altered my mystery moderators? The Titanic going down? What planet do you guys live on? This thread is filled with baseless accusations and borderline conspiracy theories.
All of this is SO SILLY! Paulette, Scriabin, and a few others... you need to calm down and get a grip.
Baltimore, MANY of our Jewish brothers have left or banned. This WAS an American forum also.
There is NO "conspiracy" no "accusations" and you are just being ridiculous.
I worked in corporate finance, and when #'s were DOWN, we re-evaluated for strategies that worked in the past, or moved on to a new strategy, it doesnt take an idiot to see the #'s now.
No "conspiracy' Takeback America was DAVIDs show, David is an AMERICAN Patriot. He even feels put off. I dont need to get a 'grip' I just see it for what it is. BTW: Baseball sux with third world nations playing in OUR baseball games- that is why you are STILL rude to ME.
It's not because of JTF's relative "political correctness"; It's because the economy isn't so good. So people are looking for jobs and can't afford their internet right now.
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Name the Jews who have left or been kicked out of JTF. Please name them! It is not some massive list of outstanding citizens. It is a few freaks who have broken easy to follow rules.
On here I differ with you.
Not all those that have left or been kicked out are freaks.. Some just want to be left alone and not be spoken about. So you shouldn't ask people to name them.
There are also regulars that have been threatened with being kicked out. You could say for being freaks, breaking easy to follow rules e.t.c. But I doubt you intended to call them freaks, since they are still here.
No good Jew is a freak. I want to make that clear.
My point is that there is not some hit list of people to kick out or some black list. There has been no mass exodus of Jews from the JTF forum. The moderators here are normal people who want to keep this forum clean. They have no hidden agendas.
This thread has been filled with accusations and misinformation and I am just here to clear things up. People are blowing things way out of proportion. JTF is what it has always been. People can quit when ever they like. There are no hidden agendas.
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Scriabin you are a long time good member of this forum and you always have good questions and you play by the rules. I think you are confused though. The numbers are fine. It is Monday morning on the east coast and there are like 170 people online now looking at the forum. Those are fine numbers for a regular news day like today. New Threads are so popular that when you start one it is hard to keep it on the front page. We have close to 2300 members! In less than a year we have more than doubled our membership. Financial contributions are up. These are the facts when it comes to numbers. These are all POSITIVE numbers! Compare this to Kahane.org's forum. Maybe you are just a glass is half empty kind of guy but it really seems like you are set on painting a gloom and doom picture of JTF that in no way exists in reality. I am posting this for the young people out there and the new people who are reading this thread with confusion. If you have ANY questions about the numbers feel free to personally message me and I can explain them.
If David Ben Moshe is angry about something then he should bring it up to management. It is TOTALLY inappropriate for somebody out there to continue to bring up subtle accusations in a Yoko Ono (wanting to break up the Beatles= wanting to break up JTF) type of way on a public forum.
Name the Jews who have left or been kicked out of JTF. Please name them! It is not some massive list of outstanding citizens. It is a few freaks who have broken easy to follow rules.
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SIGHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS You just said that David is "ANGRY" I didnt. Name my brothers? FOR WHAT? To hang them OUT TO DRY? NO! YOU GO and FIGURE it OUT, Baltimore. RIGHT now, there ARE 140 visitors, there were ALWAYS OVER 600-700 @ a time, I am NOT LYING, I KNEW the #'s then, and I see them NOW.
Really, it is NOT I that 'sounds like a conspiracy theorist' -Scriabin is a GOOD STRONG MAN & his words NEED to be taken heed to, STRONGLY- Scriabin and I, among MANY others have told the TRUTH.
It now is up to you all to COME OUT OF THE FOG, and DO WHAT YOU WERE DOING BEFORE.
I am WITH Scriabin. 100%. He is RIGHT, and NEEDS to be LISTENED to. PERIOD.
END of THIS topic for ME.
SHALOM.
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This thread has been filled with accusations and misinformation and I am just here to clear things up. People are blowing things way out of proportion. JTF is what it has always been. People can quit when ever they like. There are no hidden agendas.
I was only differing with you on the one point.
When I said "On here I differ with you.". It suggested that on the rest, I don't really differ.. I won't strongly agree either simply because I don't really care to focus on the nonsense some guy may have written, lest I remember it.
And this whole discussion is not very intellectually stimulating.
The discussions here are not of eternal significance. But, one thing is, I hope that your great spelling has taught people something.
You spelt accusation correctly (as well as the rest), I hope others make a point to look at that word, spelt correctly, and not get it wrong.
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It may be only a temporary transitional phase, till the throne gets altered.
It seems that some people have got psychologically engulfed after the Obama event. Let the tide go down by itself.
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RIGHT now, there ARE 140 visitors, there were ALWAYS OVER 600-700 @ a time, I am NOT LYING, I KNEW the #'s then, and I see them NOW.
Is there a way to see some kind of a graph with the number of visitors every day over the past year, for example? This should be helpful to assess what's going on.
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SIGHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS You just said that David is "ANGRY" I didnt. Name my brothers? FOR WHAT? To hang them OUT TO DRY? NO! YOU GO and FIGURE it OUT, Baltimore. RIGHT now, there ARE 140 visitors, there were ALWAYS OVER 600-700 @ a time, I am NOT LYING, I KNEW the #'s then, and I see them NOW.
Really, it is NOT I that 'sounds like a conspiracy theorist' -Scriabin is a GOOD STRONG MAN & his words NEED to be taken heed to, STRONGLY- Scriabin and I, among MANY others have told the TRUTH.
It now is up to you all to COME OUT OF THE FOG, and DO WHAT YOU WERE DOING BEFORE.
I am WITH Scriabin. 100%. He is RIGHT, and NEEDS to be LISTENED to. PERIOD.
END of THIS topic for ME.
SHALOM.
Thanks, AsheDina.